Teen Pregnancy...

[elsm80]

haha...

I guess...its just that most people tend to over-rate themselves.

"Talking the talk is always easier than walking the walk"

 

[bling_bling]

Hmmm....

There is no right or wrong in this situation, its really sad to see that most of the posts here are of a subjective and personal nature. Objectivity seems to have been ignored and emotional boundaries crossed.

"Holier than thou, I'm an angel type" comments are truly disgusting and I had the urge to lurch reading them.

"Gore drenched pictures accompanied by emotional blackmail " attempts do not do much for morality arguments.

"DO not quote Jesus" you are not him so please do not pretend to paint scenarios where YOU choose to exhibit ideals YOU deem are god-like or morally comforting.

The guy is asking for solutions not personal opinions. You want to express your opinions...start your own thread.

Abortion is not evil, it is a medical procedure. Please keep you moral baggage at the door.

finally, sumone who understands. if only there were more ppl like u around.

 

[b00n]

elsm elsm......we're only human...
hahaha...

anyway, like I said before; even abortion should be done legally. That's why I urged the kiddo to go to the doc. Too late into the stage; docs would not perform any abortion anymore unless of certain health complication towards the mother.

This is a morale debate that has nothing to do with gift of God and so on.

 

[elsm80]

Hey Boon, : )

Getting it done legally or illegally is an entire issue based on legal technicality and should not even surface as this is as you stated a moral debate.

Morals exist outside and above the law. The law operates within this morality. Laws do not uphold the parameters of morality whilst morals uphold the parameters of the law.

In short, there can be morals without the law but not vice versa

As such, if this is a strictly moral debate, the issue of legality should not even be a factor in making a decision.

Morals are subject to time and societies they exist in. Being gay is and was against the law not so long ago, people were hung and stoned for it. Look at the gays now, they are celebrated if not accepted.

In short, abortion may be morally and legally wrong now but you never know in 10 - 20 years time.

The argument that a foetus of whatever stage in development, be it immediately upon conception has a right to live is an absolute joke. Just because it have a different genetic make-up as compared to the rest of the holding body does not constitute an appointment to its right to live. If i was to deduce from this comical logic; I will have to state that cancer (being a foreign body) has a totally equal right to exist in your body. Removing it should be made illegal. Go figure!

Sentience is immeasurable and I do not even want to attempt to go there, a heartbeat is an automated electrical impulse; nothing more and nothing less. You do not need to be sentient to have an electrical impulse fire.

A foetus in my opinion does not have a right to anything but sentimental self perceived parental attachment. It has no right because it is nothing but tissue, the same goes for a cadaver. The difference is this tissue is operational.

Forgive me if I've said too much.

 

[huakenny]

just let both ur parents decide wat to do next.....it wil be great if u both can get marry n form a family....and u can be a young daddy.....:tongwink:

 

[bikinigal]

congrats to bling bling..
finally, u show u have the guts to take up the responsibilities..i'm proud of u..and i guess all of u are proud of u too~

btw, boon,
that was a good article..
i had a fren,just miscarriage, it's sometimes not because of the careless of the mom but sometimes it's about pressure as well..too much pressure can make a person scared and too careful of themselves..
another fren oso miscarrage because she's used to be a smoker..eventhough she quit smoking when she was pregnant, the doc said there's not much air for the baby or something like dat.....so, this can oso be one of the main reason..

anyway, i'm just sharing..
cheers all~

 

[Tohsan]

Hey Boon, : )

A foetus in my opinion does not have a right to anything but sentimental self perceived parental attachment. It has no right because it is nothing but tissue, the same goes for a cadaver. The difference is this tissue is operational.

Forgive me if I've said too much.

yes u do talk too much,u r a senseless human n monster,whatever it is that is a human life!!!!

 

[TiBuN]

Finished reading all 14 pages! Wow.... for a moment I thought bling bling is opting for suicide after all these comments. Anyway these things happened and life goes on, depending on which side you stand.

I would've shared my thought if it was only few pages long, but I guess it doesn't matter now. Heheheh.

Wish u luck bling2

 

[si|verfish]

Hey Boon, : )

Getting it done legally or illegally is an entire issue based on legal technicality and should not even surface as this is as you stated a moral debate.

Morals exist outside and above the law. The law operates within this morality. Laws do not uphold the parameters of morality whilst morals uphold the parameters of the law.

In short, there can be morals without the law but not vice versa

As such, if this is a strictly moral debate, the issue of legality should not even be a factor in making a decision.

Morals are subject to time and societies they exist in. Being gay is and was against the law not so long ago, people were hung and stoned for it. Look at the gays now, they are celebrated if not accepted.

In short, abortion may be morally and legally wrong now but you never know in 10 - 20 years time.

The argument that a foetus of whatever stage in development, be it immediately upon conception has a right to live is an absolute joke. Just because it have a different genetic make-up as compared to the rest of the holding body does not constitute an appointment to its right to live. If i was to deduce from this comical logic; I will have to state that cancer (being a foreign body) has a totally equal right to exist in your body. Removing it should be made illegal. Go figure!

Sentience is immeasurable and I do not even want to attempt to go there, a heartbeat is an automated electrical impulse; nothing more and nothing less. You do not need to be sentient to have an electrical impulse fire.

A foetus in my opinion does not have a right to anything but sentimental self perceived parental attachment. It has no right because it is nothing but tissue, the same goes for a cadaver. The difference is this tissue is operational.

Forgive me if I've said too much.

I'm not sure why it even became a moral debate. Bling bling came here looking for advice because he made a mistake and does not know what to do next. A few of us were there to offer advice and the things he should do next as well as cautioning him about potential problems.

Let us remind him of his follies. Chide him so he may repent and not repeat. But let's not treat him as one who is below us. Because "To err is human". So long as they learn from it.

Anyway, I do not agree with your views on abortion. It may be a mere medical procedure like any other, but a foetus is more than any other body tissue. It is the beginning of life. And thus cannot be taken lightly. I'm not against abortion, nor am I for it. If the consequences deem it necessary then it must be done. Which is why I hope people realise the gravity of their decision when they make it.

 

[b00n]

Abortion like Euthanasia is generally a morale debate. There's no right or wrong to it. It's on how you justify it.
I sometimes find it amusing like what elsm had pointed out; bring God into this type of situations. Why does everyone like to involve everything and tie everything to the Almighthy?
Everytime I heard ppl say "It's God's gift. It's because of God. God gave this to you blah blah blah..." I sometimes felt repulse.
It's true that God do plays a little part in it. But it's still our choice to think, to analyse and to choose. I'm also bemused by those that everything they do they always "do" it in the name of God and say it is God's will. All those "jihad" or so called suicide bombers in particular.
God created us, human beings to be above all animals and gave us brains to think and analyse. Why not use it to analyse on the situation and how to resolve or overcome problems?
Anyway, I forgot where I read it before but here's a summary of it: 90% in life is fated. The rest 10% is how you can change the outcome.
Short explnation: One crazy night, a guy made love to his gf. (That's done and we can't go back and change the past) 1 month later she found out that she missed her period. (done deal also) Go for check up and found that really pregnant (done). That's the 90% i mentioned. So the remaining 10% is how you choose what to do next to resolve this issue. That 10% is your future!
Abortion or to keep the baby is also a choice which should be carefully thought over.
But also bear in mind that that baby is yours and what is in the stomach now is your future child. But if situation doesn't permit; abortion is still the wiser choice; because would you want the future child to grow up miserably?!
Can you give the child a good life?!....for me; If I can't provide or can't find anyone who would support me; I would rather give up on the tiny life instead of letting him/her coming into this cruel world!

 

[si|verfish]

Ditto.

 

[elsm80]

yes u do talk too much,u r a senseless human n monster,whatever it is that is a human life!!!!

Please justify your reason for saying so, stating opinions without justifications or rationale just illustrates a shallow mind.

Name calling is also very juvenile and should be left to primary school children

 

[Tohsan]

Please justify your reason for saying so, stating opinions without justifications or rationale just illustrates a shallow mind.

Name calling is also very juvenile and should be left to primary school children

Dude, u still didn't get it don't u?

 

[jeremy]

chill lar bro, every1 has his/her rite to speak her mind..

i seriously respect bling bling for being brave enuf to post tis on the net, n telling his parents about it n being responsible for his action.. i know most people don even dare do such thing.. end up throw away the baby when born/ suicide/ dump their pregnant gf..

1 more thing, i think most teens if encounter tis prob, 1st action is to abort at all cause.. din discuss with parents watsoeva..

 

[Tohsan]

chill lar bro, every1 has his/her rite to speak her mind..

i seriously respect bling bling for being brave enuf to post tis on the net, n telling his parents about it n being responsible for his action.. i know most people don even dare do such thing.. end up throw away the baby when born/ suicide/ dump their pregnant gf..

1 more thing, i think most teens if encounter tis prob, 1st action is to abort at all cause.. din discuss with parents watsoeva..

some of them think the baby is oni some tissue,mean nothing to them!:angry_smile:

 

[elsm80]

Dude, u still didn't get it don't u?

Even if I did, it would not be from an ignoramus.... *hint*

 

[Tohsan]

Even if I did, it would not be from an ignoramus.... *hint*

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
same goes to the one with half-baked brain......*hint too*

 

[simonchangwaimun]

finally someone knocked some sense in blingbling...
good for u to be a responsible person...
but seriously...there's no flaming session...never did...
see things from a different perspective =D
tamz,no need me godmother la...
u wait la...we make one =P

 

[BlackSamurai]

bling bling, glad to know that you make the move.

what lay ahead of you might be stakes of new challenges, one after the other. It will be a brand new chapter in your life. Try handle those challenges together with your wife, your son/daughter, family and friends.

Be strong, be brave and ... be cool. :)

PS: I'm also glad that zth, an automotive enthusiast's forum does save someone's life.

 

[Tohsan]

Ya thats a very good news!