ABS is for stupid people?

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I was in this chat room yesterday. Some arguing starts when someone(lets call him/her A) mentioned that a modded kancil can be as steady as a merc.(i guess A drives a souped up kancil that has extensive modifications that could match a track car)
B and C said that no matter how, a kancil cant be modified till it can be as steady as a merc, the chassis balance, suspensions, handling set up, those ABS stuffs bla bla

then A said that, ABS is for stupid people, racers dont need that

i wanna ask the sifus here.. how true is that :D :D :D
(im stupid cuz i drove nissan with ABS b4 :D)
 
ABS is controlled by a computer... in a real race, those have to go to lighten the car...

I too threw out the ABS... useless heavy junk!
 
i see :)
but race cars has big ass rotors that doesnt lock up that easily :D

but is ABS really for stupid ppl? :D
 
as everyone knows abs is a form of drivers aid to assist the driver in a less than perfect enviroment, an aid to stop the vehicle in the shortest distance possible and yet allowing the driver to steer the vehicle..
IMO if u're allowed to use this form of driver's aid(abs) and other aids such as traction control in a race and do not wanna use them, then it is like racing on street tires against the others on slicks..
as far as stupidity is concern i'm in no position to comment.. :D :D :D
 
No no.. ABS actually saves people.. for daily driving u do not have enough reaction time to react to prevent your breaks for locking up.. in the sense without the proper training.. we would not be able to release the pressure in the brakes.. which would result in a lock n risk losing control of the car.. Where else in racing, one of the reasons why ABS isn't use is that with abs the racer would not need to worry so much about braking point..


Take for instance F1 cars, they have big rotors and very good braking power.. but the problem is that u often see their wheels get lock.... With abs their wouldn't have lock and most likely would be able to take the corner without much punishment for their mistake.. where else without abs the car might have slide out or completely miss the turn which may result in a retirement.. So in racing there is no ABS for skill related purpose in a way...

So ABS isn't a stupid thing.. u won't wan a aunty to brake n slam into your back cause she couldn't steer out of the way.. because the car wasn't equip with abs.. and in my point of view.. i dun think no matter how u mod a kancil u would be able to get the stability of a sports car... because of the wheelbase n stuff.... the center of gravity n other things like that... if kancil is really that good a design.. everyone would be using it for racing n just trying 2 design a more powerfull engine to fit inside it..

just my 2 cents
 
The person who said ABS is for stupid people is probably stupid.

Quite rightly said by Dinocasper, ABS saves lives daily. Generally most of those drivers on the road are not racers and there is no way these people can brake as effectively as those racers. ABS was created mainly to prevent lockup that leads into a spin which could be fatal. In race cars, drivers are meant to concentrate and they're very much prepared for suddenth hard braking, counter steering the car, avoiding a pile up and etc. We, normal mortals on the road are not prepared for such incidents therefore the need for ABS. In fact, i like to pride myself as a careful driver that don't normally brake very hard and quite alert in braking points as compared to my crazy friends or my sister. But there were also a couple of times i had to slam on the brakes and swerve away and the ABS really helped alot. And those who tell me they can perform manual ABS ie, using their legs to press/depress the brake pedal, i say its plain bullshit. They don't have any idea how fast does an ABS clam/unclam the brakedisc per second. Besides, when you're cruising in an open road with your music blading, when a cow suddently appears right in front of your car, i doubt anyone of us here could still think about manual ABS.

About ABS on F1 cars, if i'm not mistaken, they were outlawed because it was classified as drivers aid and can give an unfair advantage. It basically takes the skills away from a racer. Also, the drivers would then take advantage to drive thru the corners while braking.
 
Yes driver's aid.... well said.. couldn't agree better with u prodigy.. So the fella who said ABS is bullshit is an idiot...
 
hhmm no offence ar let say ABS vs 4pot brembo without abs
u all will choose what ??

no flamming around just my 2kin....
 
i'd go wit abs.. no point having 4 pots and locking up.. well even the mclearen f1 uses abs..
 
if ABS is for stupid people, why on earth they wanna spend so much time and money do R&D on it??.. they are there for a reason... ABS prevent lockups when u do hard braking... it isnt about stupid people only need ABS... i'm sure not all of us can do perfect manual ABS using our own foot...

in racing, they didnt use ABS coz the device is heavy... thats why not everyone can be racing driver... they need practice practice and practice to avoid lockups during hard braking...
 
ABS for stupid ppl ah, errr ask him to eat shit
ppl pay few thousands for new set of ABS
bt to say if for me i prefer not ABS cos i like to tailgate , fly closely and want to instant brake ? errr ABS not suitable
 
haha stupid lah ... ABS actually saves life !!
i used to drive my dads merc and it actually save me when got this one stupid van sudden break infront of me...

but i got heard some stupid people dunno how to use the ABS...
u hav to hit the break and not letting it go when goin into emergency ... if u press then let go then press then let go the brek later the ABS computer system sure go "wheng" or confused ...haha if liddis no use to hav ABS also ..

just my 2cent
 
agreed that ABS indeed saves life in normal road situations, but for track use, some say its redundant for track use

well, i do hope A can see this ...it was a great fight yesterday in the chatroom :D
interesting
 
Hhmm.... if ABS is for stupid people, then Merc, BMW, Audi, whatever other cars with ABS, their designers are stupid. It just goes to show what a shallow minded "A" in the chatroom could be. Some people drive more comfortably without ABS, and some drive comfortably with ABS. It's all down to individual preference.
 
race car nowadays save formula cars have abs.. porsche GT3 cup cars for instance.. in fact abs nowadays is so advance to be frank not many racing drivers out there could be better without it...
 
G-4 said:
hhmm no offence ar let say ABS vs 4pot brembo without abs
u all will choose what ??

no flamming around just my 2kin....

Its not about having 4 pot,8 pot or 12 pot brembo brakes. Its about not losing control when you lock up the brakes so you can have the best brakes in the world but when you're facing emergency, you still will jam the brakes and swerve...and bang.
 
rabakshoe brought up an important and often neglegted point. a few threads over the past year have had ppl post this. the most effective way to use the ABS. in fact, THE way to use it.

you're supposed to panic with the ABS. slam and pin the brake pedal to the floor and swerve away of whatever object that is in front of u by turning the wheel.

when in our average road car, with our average driver skills, most of u will agree that when a real emergency situation occurs, we will almost always brake until the tires lock up and screech. in this typical situation, u have to forgive that 99% of us will SURELY never manage to react quick enuff to modulate our foot pressure to keep traction (utter panic hence the term "jam brake"). this leads to the steering rendered useless to help u move left/right to avoid whatever is in front. hai lat.

yes, im sure most of u know this already. for the sake of comparison, i felt the need to mention it and u know we get new drivers everyday who dont know these things yet. now the problem is, even ppl who got ABS are sometimes not properly educated in the way to use it effectively. whenever a person slams the brake on an ABS equipped car, he/she will definitely feel a vibration in the pedal. many ppl who arent accustomed to this "feedback" will make the mistake of letting go (mostly due to the feeling that something is wrong. like "WTF??") this is the most common mistake ABS users make. with ABS, u're supposed to plant your foot on the brake and forget about it. all u need to do is turn the steering if u have room to maneuvre ur car out of the impending danger in front.

that vibration is actually not meant as a feedback to the driver, it is the side effect of the ABS at work. when a person lightens his foot pressure out of surprise, the threshold whereby the ABS is supposed to kick in is not reach, in other words; its the same as not braking at all. like rabakshoe said, got ABS oso no use :D its funny how in reality, most of us do the opposite of how each braking system is meant to use :lol:

in regards to ABS in motorsports,
the governing body of most motorsports events disallow ABS equipped cars from several "reasons" (rest assured, i dont understand and agree on some of them either :D hehe).

1. Despite popular conception, ABS does help a racer race better. a car that doesnt have it tires locking can brake much later and trail braking into a corner is ultimately easier to do; u can full throttle on the straights longer before starting to brake.

2. One consequence from no. 1 is; overall racing speeds are higher. with higher speeds, risks increase. you've heard of certain events that impose maximum speed limit. they dont always state it obviously, but its for safety reasons.

3. In the case of the FIA, braking was decided to be left as the "sternest test" of driver skill; thus ABS was banned (like active suspension before it) as it was acknowledged as "Driver Aids". the full information can be read here

http://www.formula1.com/insight/technicalinfo/11/477.html

i know that most of the other aspects of these regulations doesnt correlate to lesser track events or road race cars, but i strongly advise u guys to read up on other technical ruling and aspects of F1 racing (on the navigation bar to the left)

*There are other reasons that I am not able to cover here (some i oso dunno lah :p hoping others would add)

The advances in R&D and technology have churned out unbelievably good ABS systems nowadays. believe me when i tell u that if given a choice, raceteams would definitely keep the ABS in their racing cars. mind you if the regulations werent as they are now, these will NOT the everyday ABS u see. its the law that prevents a development of a RACE bias ABS, not bcoz ABS suck in the track, as many would tell u. the advantage of predictable and controllable trail braking (in-corner) and more speed time on the straights FAR outweigh the weight or cumbersome issue of typical ABS control units and pumps.

And then there's pride. in the end, a driver gets to choose which system he is most comfortable with. in these days where there are still super sifus around in their golden years, some shun ABS out of pride. its totally personal choice and attitude. a driver may think that braking without ABS is cooler and earn bragging rights. some believe in staying true to the sport and strive to hone 'true' braking skills, while others who care about nothing other than winning may accept whatever makes them faster, including ABS. the human side is the biggest variable in the whole issue. at the end of the day, its up to you. the only difference is how well educated u are to talk the talk AND walk the walk. the question of whether "race drivers dont need ABS" is totally up to individual taste. Driver A cant simply generalize what drivers feel. Drivers are bound to the regulations. if ABS were allowed, some drivers would definitely like it and be good with it.

This may piss some of u, but in conclusion, the "Driver A" 's statement of "ABS is for stupid ppl" is not entirely false. I dont agree with his choice of word bcoz "stupid" is too strong and harsh. however I do agree that ABS is for the unfortunate lot of us (me included) who are less skilled at braking during emergency situations. if that can be called stupid la..

to me it is a driver's aid and a safety aid/precaution on the road. and a race aid too. the only mistake is, Driver A yelled his sentiments out of rage while trying to defend his pride on "Say NO to ABS" :lol: i bet he'll jam his brake and his balls in a near collision situation :D
 
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wat i know tat abs save me lots of time when i'm still rookie driving around witout license...last time dunno how 2 take corner just sapu at high speed n then apply brake...ahahahhaa....luckily tat time i'm driving a car wit abs so the car didnt skid a lot n still manage 2 avoid hitting divider...

then last 2 week on the way down from cameron hill....raining...a guy driving saga tiong my uncle mercs ass...damn dangerous...then after we come 2 a place where its straight enuf my uncle pedal more gas 2 get away from him n i over take him just in case anything happen 2 him i might not be able 2 brake in time...

then there goes a corner...eventually i saw my uncle's car skid but surely the abs is doing its job...i quickly down shift 4 engine braking n have 2 use left foot braking...damn...my ass skid a lot...luckily my uncle's car skidded infront of me,so i know tat the corner is dangerous....

the next thing i do after exiting the corner was look at my rear view mirror..saw initail d ??? the saga just skid like tat evo 4 n then merry go round...bang on the divider
 

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