Pak Lah bashed Proton??

[FVel]

agreed with you imolog, there are only a few of us push GEN.2 to the max on road and track, and proton has been diverted their focus to produce public cars than performance cars. ever since Satria GTi era, proton has been releasing "performance" sense type of cars, regardless its the design or the flesh under the hood.

Yes I agree.

It is nice to have some sporty 2-door cars, but those are really meant for the niche market. The majority of the public will want something a bit more practical for the family.

Perodua has no sporty 2-door in its line-up but they are nevertheless doing very well because they are focused on meeting what the market wants.

Having a motorsports division such as R3 is nice but at the end of the day it won't pay the bills and it won't bring in the sales. They plan on releasing Satria R3s in very limited numbers to preserve exclusivity. Well, that gives Proton some bragging rights but really nothing of substance that will help their current financial situation. Similarly they spent plenty of money to get Lotus to build that one-of-a-kind Lotus Exige 300RR GT car (the same one Djan drove and won at MME 2005 and 2006). It proves nothing. Nothing against Djan's abilities as a driver but that 300RR has so much more grunt than the 2nd place finisher at MME, it would be like comparing apples vs oranges. I always get a good laugh when Proton likes to go advertise that their car won MME in 2 consecutive years. Besides just ensuring the car lasts the whole race, of course lah they will win the MME. After all, how many MME competitors do you know who can pour in so much money to commission Lotus to custom build from the ground up just ONE car that comes with a big disparity of hp over the nearest competitor.

All talk, no show lah

 

[Lennon]

For those who don't know how economies of scales works:
Its a numbers game. Just imagine Proton in its hay days sold some what 200,000 - 300, 000 cars a year. Toyota sold some 300,000 Corollas worldwide alone within the same period. This is how it works.... Toyota orders a couple million steering wheels, proton orders 200,000.... who's gonna get the bigger discount?? Multiply that with the thousands of components a car has... Who gets to enjoy the bigger margins and is able to put much much much much more into R&D??

Economic scale means buy in bulk in order to get cheaper price....... but Toyota doesn't order millions of steering for the Corolla's entire lifetime at a time, that's false..... No manufacturer order parts for one or two year planning ahead, that's a very bad financial practise.......

Toyota practise it owns perfected creation call JIT (Just-In-Time) system, Wat they do is they projects orders collected from sales, set an amount target for it's daily production so that suppliers will send them steerings a day earlier..... Toyota doesn't like to stock parts, you'll need a large warehouse, more workers and machinery to move things around...... Don't forget software will be required for stock keeping (Many people doesn't know software was blardy hell expensive, you'll know when you start to deal will company like SAP).......

Toyota work closely with their suppliers, they tell them wat future orders likes..... In return, suppliers themselves would keep stock for Toyota..... However JIT system will not work well, if you're not able to control your supplier or your company is not as big as Toyota.......

Proton fell is becos of workers attitude, corrupted management and Boards of unqualified managers.... You don't see it in Toyota..... Most japanese companies teaches values and dicsiplines to their staff, i dunno whether Proton have these......

 

[davidv00]

Lennon, the answer is NO, if they do... there is no such topic here. We should had cherishing now or enjoy driving one.

 

[FVel]

As far as I know 'Just-In-Time' stock systems is standard practice with the Japanese car industries and their car accessories people.

Car ownership culture in Japan is somewhat different than, say, the USA. In Japan, owning a car is seen as a luxury given the expensive standard of living. So a Japanese customer is quite contented to wait for available stocks (ordering, manufacturing downtime etc) compared to a customer in USA who expects immediate availability. A JIT also makes sense from the standpoint of keeping down holding costs and other financing costs.

And you are right in that a JIT requires good organization skills and cooperation between manufacturers and suppliers to work...something which is a hallmark of Japanese work culture.

 

[davidv00]

And not to mention Japanese honor their job very much, successful means everything to them, so the attitude to produce a good car is there.

Bolehland practice asal BOLEH jalan BOLEH la.... tak bagus pun BOLEH la... masalah BOLEH fix ma.... rakyat tak mampu beli kereta import kita Malaysia BOLEH ma....

* all those crap BOLEH theory *