Is there any imitation(not original) Pioneer HU in the market??
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First, of all, to answer the threadstarter's questions, I doubt there are imitation Pioneer headunits in the market which copy exactly and remodel Pioneers range of headunits.
However, they do in fact build their own models and simply brand it as Pioneer, with some model number which sounds gravely similar to existing models, to dupe customers who are unaware into buying it.
My advice for this when planning to buy online, is to first check the model online at Pioneers official site to see whether it exists, and to be doubly sure, they can always walk in to any shops that officially carry Pioneer products to make a comparison before purchasing.
About the so called AP-sets, etc, what I would consider as an AP set is a unit that is not distributed by Pioneer Malaysia itself.
I for one, am selling Pioneer headunits in ZTH, and I have been doing so for a couple of years now.
To be frank, what I know so far about Pioneer is that they separate their models into different regions. For example, countries in the South east asian region such as Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia share the same models, whereas Europe, United States and Australia have their own models too.
However, to say that AP sets have have different parts etc, would be a little off the line.
Pioneers entry level line, such as 1 and 2 series, are normally made in Malaysia.
Pioneer has several factories around the globe, but for countries around these region, the 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 series are made in Thailand. They do have a factory in China too, but I seldom see units originating form China around here. About the quality of China units, I do not dare vouch for it as I do not have experience, but as far I know, the sets purchased locally are also from the factory in Thailand.
Therefore, you are actually purchasing the same item, whether buying it online here in ZTH, or from a Pioneer authorized distributor.
The reason that Pioneer has its factories in countries such as Thailand is simple, which is to lower operating costs, and maximize profit. However, many of the components inside are still from Japan.
For example, one of my customers just had his 6850 sent back for warranty, and when the unit returned, the replaced part was returned, together with the packaging for the replacement part, a power IC which is clearly mentioned as Made in Japan.
To clear up the confusion as to why some we sellers in ZTH can be selling so cheap, and yet the market price is so much higher, heres the answer :
When you purchase a unit that is distributed from Pioneer Malaysia, they are profiting from you. The original price from the factory was A. When it goes through Pioneer Malaysia, the price is raised to B. When it reaches the shops, it is once again raised to C. Shops have operating costs, etc, naturally, they have to make a marginal profit to cover costs, and also, obviously, profit.
On Pioneer Malaysia's side, what they provide you is the equipment ( at a raised up price) + service, in this case, being the warranty coverage and their service centres nationwide. Therefore, they pretty much have the market monopolized.
However, sellers like me, in ZTH. The process is like this. My supplier gets the units from a wholesaler, which gets it direct from the factories. These units are no different in quality or material from those you get locally. The difference is only that you do not go through Pioneer Malaysia. In this case, they are not profiting from you. This explains why they would be reluctant to provide you with warranty, etc, as they are not like certain globalized companies such as apple which provides international warranty.
However, that doesnt mean that you will be left in the lurch if you were to face any problems with the unit. Before purchasing online, just check with the seller in ZTH whether any warranty is provided with the head unit. Apart from that, you can also check out with other forummers about the sellers background, how long he has been in the forum, etc. If the feedback is positive, go ahead and buy. Afterall, the reason for online forum tradings such as this is to provide fellow car enthusiasts with the parts at cheaper prices, rather than paying retail.
Of course, whichever part of the world you live in, there will always be a few black sheep who aspire only to make a quick buck, sell imitations, etc. But looking a the larger picture, the main cause of buying online is at the end of the day, to save our hard earned money.
So why pay retail? Some people might just not have the confidence in buying online, etc. But lets look at it this way, Pioneer headunits are rather reliable, and from what I have sold, I estimate that there is roughly only 1 in 50 that comes back with a problem.
So, as a consumer, you can make the choice yourself. You can either pay full retail, maybe RM1000+ for a 6950, or save a couple of hundreds, and buy it here for just RM680. When you pay RM1000+, there is the convenience that if the unit were to run into any problems, you can send it back to Pioneer for repairs.
On my side, my warranty policy is as follows, should you run into any problems with the unit within 1 year, all you need to do is send the unit back to me, and I will send it back to my supplier. From there on, the unit will be sent back to Pioneer itself, and when it comes out, it will be with an official Pioneer sticker, etc.
Im not sure about what policies other sellers employ, but as a customer, there's no harm asking before buying.
I hope my explanation here is detailed enough to give everyone who is interested in Pioneer headunits a clear view, and if theres anything that I said wrongly, please feel free to collect me.
Anyway, Im not here to promote my business or anything, rather, I am just trying to clear up the air since there is so much confusion about Pioneer headunits, and the difference in price compared to retail.
Anyway, to all ICE enthusiasts in ZTH, happy iceing! By the way, if anyone is interested in getting any Pioneer headunits, do feel free to contact me. aha.
However, they do in fact build their own models and simply brand it as Pioneer, with some model number which sounds gravely similar to existing models, to dupe customers who are unaware into buying it.
My advice for this when planning to buy online, is to first check the model online at Pioneers official site to see whether it exists, and to be doubly sure, they can always walk in to any shops that officially carry Pioneer products to make a comparison before purchasing.
About the so called AP-sets, etc, what I would consider as an AP set is a unit that is not distributed by Pioneer Malaysia itself.
I for one, am selling Pioneer headunits in ZTH, and I have been doing so for a couple of years now.
To be frank, what I know so far about Pioneer is that they separate their models into different regions. For example, countries in the South east asian region such as Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia share the same models, whereas Europe, United States and Australia have their own models too.
However, to say that AP sets have have different parts etc, would be a little off the line.
Pioneers entry level line, such as 1 and 2 series, are normally made in Malaysia.
Pioneer has several factories around the globe, but for countries around these region, the 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 series are made in Thailand. They do have a factory in China too, but I seldom see units originating form China around here. About the quality of China units, I do not dare vouch for it as I do not have experience, but as far I know, the sets purchased locally are also from the factory in Thailand.
Therefore, you are actually purchasing the same item, whether buying it online here in ZTH, or from a Pioneer authorized distributor.
The reason that Pioneer has its factories in countries such as Thailand is simple, which is to lower operating costs, and maximize profit. However, many of the components inside are still from Japan.
For example, one of my customers just had his 6850 sent back for warranty, and when the unit returned, the replaced part was returned, together with the packaging for the replacement part, a power IC which is clearly mentioned as Made in Japan.
To clear up the confusion as to why some we sellers in ZTH can be selling so cheap, and yet the market price is so much higher, heres the answer :
When you purchase a unit that is distributed from Pioneer Malaysia, they are profiting from you. The original price from the factory was A. When it goes through Pioneer Malaysia, the price is raised to B. When it reaches the shops, it is once again raised to C. Shops have operating costs, etc, naturally, they have to make a marginal profit to cover costs, and also, obviously, profit.
On Pioneer Malaysia's side, what they provide you is the equipment ( at a raised up price) + service, in this case, being the warranty coverage and their service centres nationwide. Therefore, they pretty much have the market monopolized.
However, sellers like me, in ZTH. The process is like this. My supplier gets the units from a wholesaler, which gets it direct from the factories. These units are no different in quality or material from those you get locally. The difference is only that you do not go through Pioneer Malaysia. In this case, they are not profiting from you. This explains why they would be reluctant to provide you with warranty, etc, as they are not like certain globalized companies such as apple which provides international warranty.
However, that doesnt mean that you will be left in the lurch if you were to face any problems with the unit. Before purchasing online, just check with the seller in ZTH whether any warranty is provided with the head unit. Apart from that, you can also check out with other forummers about the sellers background, how long he has been in the forum, etc. If the feedback is positive, go ahead and buy. Afterall, the reason for online forum tradings such as this is to provide fellow car enthusiasts with the parts at cheaper prices, rather than paying retail.
Of course, whichever part of the world you live in, there will always be a few black sheep who aspire only to make a quick buck, sell imitations, etc. But looking a the larger picture, the main cause of buying online is at the end of the day, to save our hard earned money.
So why pay retail? Some people might just not have the confidence in buying online, etc. But lets look at it this way, Pioneer headunits are rather reliable, and from what I have sold, I estimate that there is roughly only 1 in 50 that comes back with a problem.
So, as a consumer, you can make the choice yourself. You can either pay full retail, maybe RM1000+ for a 6950, or save a couple of hundreds, and buy it here for just RM680. When you pay RM1000+, there is the convenience that if the unit were to run into any problems, you can send it back to Pioneer for repairs.
On my side, my warranty policy is as follows, should you run into any problems with the unit within 1 year, all you need to do is send the unit back to me, and I will send it back to my supplier. From there on, the unit will be sent back to Pioneer itself, and when it comes out, it will be with an official Pioneer sticker, etc.
Im not sure about what policies other sellers employ, but as a customer, there's no harm asking before buying.
I hope my explanation here is detailed enough to give everyone who is interested in Pioneer headunits a clear view, and if theres anything that I said wrongly, please feel free to collect me.
Anyway, Im not here to promote my business or anything, rather, I am just trying to clear up the air since there is so much confusion about Pioneer headunits, and the difference in price compared to retail.
Anyway, to all ICE enthusiasts in ZTH, happy iceing! By the way, if anyone is interested in getting any Pioneer headunits, do feel free to contact me. aha.
Yup at the end of the day, is up to the consumer, some would prefer to spend a little more for the peace of mind, whereas some would prefer to get as much as they can out of they $$.
Btw, it's not that the sets sold here are W/O warranty, rather, its about the policy the seller provides and whether the seller is trustworthy.
Bro, glad to hear that everything is going fine with ur head unit! :)
Btw, it's not that the sets sold here are W/O warranty, rather, its about the policy the seller provides and whether the seller is trustworthy.
Bro, glad to hear that everything is going fine with ur head unit! :)
Just need more clarification.. Promise chain Manufacturer => Wholesaler => Ur Supplier => U (as agent) => Buyer/Consumer.. coz there is No contract btw buyer & manufacturer
a) U vs Buyer = as U said ealier, U will repair it if anything happen within 1 yr... If after 1 yr like 18 months, How? cost & etc laa
b) What will happen when your Supplier close bussines & doing others bussines? coz here.. there is no legal contract between Buyer/You with Wholesaler... only Supplier
c) What will happen when Wholesaler close the shop?
a) During the warranty period, if any problems were to occur, the set can be sent back for repairs(warranty claim) and if the problem is due to manufacturing defect, the repairs should be free. If it were due to other causes, such as wiring short, etc problem due to the user or user's vehicle, repairs will be charged accordingly. However, like u said, if after 1 year, problems were to occur, of course you can still send back to me, just that there will be charges such as workmanship as well as for replacement of parts. In this case I believe it will apply anywhere. Even if you bought it thru local pioneer, if a problem occurs after the warranty period is over, you will still be charged accordingly. In this case, after the warranty period, you can always send it back to local Pioneer service centre, they will repair for you, just that you will be charged.
b)I do have links with not just one supplier, and they can still get it done for me. However, if really really in the event that ALL my suppliers dissapear, I am already prepared to pay for repairs out of my own pocket if anything were to happen. However up to this moment, I am pretty sure that mu suppliers are in this for the long term, and to be frank, I know them personally, as friends and not just a supplier-agent relationship, so even if they were out of business, I can confidently say that they will still help me send it back for warranty.
Apart from that, in this case, your deal is with me, not my supplier. If the supplier were to close down or anything, I dont think it's the customers problem because as far as you are concerned, you just need to send it back to me, and my responsibility is to get it done for you as promised. If I were to push the reponsibility to my supplier closing down or anything, it would be irresponsibility on my part.
Besides that, I am not just making empty promises over here, but I am putting my reputation of 3 years in ZTH on the line. Therefore, it is definitely my duty and I will definitely try my best to ensure that I am able to provide to customers whatever services promised.
Hope that I have answered your questions bro oldskoolboyz~
b)I do have links with not just one supplier, and they can still get it done for me. However, if really really in the event that ALL my suppliers dissapear, I am already prepared to pay for repairs out of my own pocket if anything were to happen. However up to this moment, I am pretty sure that mu suppliers are in this for the long term, and to be frank, I know them personally, as friends and not just a supplier-agent relationship, so even if they were out of business, I can confidently say that they will still help me send it back for warranty.
Apart from that, in this case, your deal is with me, not my supplier. If the supplier were to close down or anything, I dont think it's the customers problem because as far as you are concerned, you just need to send it back to me, and my responsibility is to get it done for you as promised. If I were to push the reponsibility to my supplier closing down or anything, it would be irresponsibility on my part.
Besides that, I am not just making empty promises over here, but I am putting my reputation of 3 years in ZTH on the line. Therefore, it is definitely my duty and I will definitely try my best to ensure that I am able to provide to customers whatever services promised.
Hope that I have answered your questions bro oldskoolboyz~
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Btw just to add, what I have mentioned so far are my policies, I cant say the same for other sellers here in ZTH. So, it's always best to ask the seller himself .
Have a nice day ICEing everyone....
Have a nice day ICEing everyone....
Thanks for the bump bro bafukie, appreciate your support. But this is not a selling thread, i think don need to bump la! Im just trying to give everyone a clearer picture since i realized that recently many forummers are wondering why there are players going for so cheap, whether imitation or what, etc. So just trying to contribute a little here.
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Bro Bafukie, thanks for your support once again! :)
But seriously, if soundstream thinks he's funny or he simply enjoys it, maybe we should just let him be.
Adeen, we have discussed through pm right? Anything just contact me la bro. Keep in touch! Thanks!
Bro wira_se, glad to hear that the unit is serving you well!
But seriously, if soundstream thinks he's funny or he simply enjoys it, maybe we should just let him be.
Adeen, we have discussed through pm right? Anything just contact me la bro. Keep in touch! Thanks!
Bro wira_se, glad to hear that the unit is serving you well!
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