BOT (Bolt On Turbo)

[pioneer411]

kekekkee BOT, never try never know.... MOTORSPORT

 

[evo5755]

Speedhorizon,


Supposedly, All engine are designed to work under normal atmospheric pressure. But they are able to work under abnormal pressure condition due to the correction factor on the ECU mapping... And NA Engines (normally aspirated engine) also known as vacuum engine provide suction when the intake valve opens as the piston goes through the intake stroke. This will create a vacuum condition on the intake manifold. However, FI Engines(Forced induction engines) like Supercharged/turbocharged engine forced the air into the cylinder instead of suction from the cylinder. Let say, boosting at 1 bar into the cylinder(1 bar higher than atmospheric pressure) and being compressed till the top dead end, say CR10, the equivalent compression ration would be 20:1... NA means breath normally-suction
Well, NA means the air is forced into combustion chamber at atmospheric pressure. Whereas Turbo the pressure was forced into the combustion chamber, and henceit is called Forced Induction. The word speaks all...


Don;t quite agree with metal gasket. Thick metal gasket is just a way to reduce th e compression ratio. Instead of changing pistons that required more cost, time and hassle. If someone's gonna use metal gasket of 1mm, there's actually not so meaningful. If you buy original GSR topset from MMC, the gasket is also silicon carbon.

Management is not so accurate. I would say the ecu mapping.


Bro, ok ok haha...i was just writing all the general stuff. if really want to go deep detail for each and every item sure 10 pages also cannot finish writing hehehehe.


The material could be the same, but the design of the rib bone of the engine might be different... Water cooling system in the engine block are the same, at least for mitsu... Dunno about others... But the water pump might have different capacity. Hoever, radiator are bigger as for some turbo charged engine. But not necessarily. Wira 1.6 Auto has the same radiator size even compare to EVO... However the fan are different.

Material composition should be different. Perhaps in the real world, one example is VR4 block vs Evo block in terms of strength. In the casting process, there are so many types of casting materials which are meant for different factor( strength, heat and etc..). But as we can see, there is a lot of different specification between NA and turbo which are specifically designed by car manufacturer.

As for me, BOV sound is just a so so factor for me. Doesnt makes me crave for that sound. For me its just like a leaking air sound hehehe...The only thing about turbo which i addicted to is, the screaming Ex Wastegate sound and most importantly the force that keeps on pressing your back or head to the back seat. G force factor hehehe..

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Not quite agree. The ultimate driving machine on track today is still NA. The Formula 1.... Tell me which 2.4L forced induction engine in the world generating 900-1000Bhp wthout lag.... F1 does.... Kakaka.... Turbo is just another way of increasing the capacity by increasing the intake pressure when needed... Oppsss.... I meant when wanted.. hehee....

Bro...thankss for your information !! HEHE!!
But...let say...we are just comparing this in street racing....not about F1 Formula...hard to compare with F1 Formula ler ^^
cause...my friend and me had prove this comparition...aabout N/A and Turbo...
My fren both are WAJA 1.8 Manual...
one had done a lot of modification about N/A ^port a lot of polish^ ..throttle body..header...engine balancing and bla bla bla...about RM8-10k...
another friend just bolt on turbo... wif TD05... and boosting about 7-8psi only...
but...when they two race...it really MUCH DIFFERENT !! the N/A Waja..from start (pick up)until the end... also lose kau kau ler....the turbo waja really awesome !!
In my advice... actually that is (NOT FAIR)...
coz..one already had force induction ...can't compare with other is just N/A...
Turbo ride should vs Turbo or s/c ride not N/A^^
oh ya ~!!! PPL who modify their car...they all are loookinng for more POWER , SPEED , TORQUE !!but...if modify N/A same cost wif bolt on turbo...i really suggest ...
TURBO KIT !!
FAST AND FURIOUS!!
and...
turbo although will make engine overheat ....but... wont HARM to the engine ler ^^
my car already bolt on turbo about 1 year ago...but still ntg effect ^^ HEHE!!
anyway,,,
THANKSS FOR UR SHARING !!
CHEERRSS!![/quote]

Well Veilsideboyz again....

Seems like you really love your BOT. Well i do not know what have you done to your overall engine system fro your BOT. hehehe

Yes cost for NA is higher if you want to achieve the the same power level like turbo. But NA offer different level of engine performance, if you have driven a highly tuned VTEC or K20A powerplant you will know what i meant. Lagless and power delivery is different from Turbo.

But what makes NA race engine vs turbo engine is realibility. It depends on your driving style, but definitely if the car is pushed continuously, turbo engine will have higher risk of reliability problem as per compared to NA engine. Try to drive your turbo car in Sepang push it hard for alot of laps. Then you can judge if your machine is realiable or not.

 

[veilsideboyz]

Yeah... not fair to compare turbo and NA... But a well tuned NA with highcams can be awesome...
But like said previously, if the same amount of money spent, turbocharged will be able to generate more power...

When the word OVER is concerned, it does harm the engine... I assume u are saying turbo will generate more heat... And not overheat...

if turbo go for stage 2 or stage 3 cam also will awesome ! ^_^Y
THe Word "OVER" .... but...who know NEXT ?? HEHE!!
anyway..TQTQ!!

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Well Veilsideboyz again....

Seems like you really love your BOT. Well i do not know what have you done to your overall engine system fro your BOT. hehehe

Yes cost for NA is higher if you want to achieve the the same power level like turbo. But NA offer different level of engine performance, if you have driven a highly tuned VTEC or K20A powerplant you will know what i meant. Lagless and power delivery is different from Turbo.

But what makes NA race engine vs turbo engine is realibility. It depends on your driving style, but definitely if the car is pushed continuously, turbo engine will have higher risk of reliability problem as per compared to NA engine. Try to drive your turbo car in Sepang push it hard for alot of laps. Then you can judge if your machine is realiable or not. [/QUOTE]

yup.. i know.. so..i just aim for DRAG or just street racing !!
i think sure a lot of guy here sure having "STREET RACING" during midnight !! HAHA!!
and...ppl who having turbo on their car..they sure wont push kau kau la..^^ include you also ...bro (^_^ Y)
N/A car go sepang there sure very reliable lor... for exp: take 1 stock wira go sepang also can win bot car ad right ?coz..N/A engine wont blow their engine..if they push damn kau ...^^(race 30 round )HEHE!!^^
advantage of turbo car ...when go genting ..is really USEFUL !! N/A or even TYPE R !! can't even campare wif turbo !!

 

[speed2horizon]

Well, NA means the air is forced into combustion chamber at atmospheric pressure. Whereas Turbo the pressure was forced into the combustion chamber, and henceit is called Forced Induction. The word speaks all...[/COLOR]

Aiks... NA=Normally aspirated. Breath normally like our lungs... Increasing the volume of the cylinder during the intake stroke effect vacuum condition. The the air sucks into the cylinder... Put a boost meter into an NA intake manifold... Then check out the reading...

Material composition should be different. Perhaps in the real world, one example is VR4 block vs Evo block in terms of strength. In the casting process, there are so many types of casting materials which are meant for different factor( strength, heat and etc..). But as we can see, there is a lot of different specification between NA and turbo which are specifically designed by car manufacturer.

It's more due to the structure design of the engine itself bro... Not so much on the material. Yes, there's alot of casting method. But we're somehow dealing with cast iron. In terms of VR4 block and EVO block, They are block in different era/time...

When they do, cast iron, iron is melted in an induction furnace. In automotive production industry, esspecially japanese make... which i am more familiar with. They have 1 furnace for a few models. And when they do casting, it's the same material for different model at 1 time

Yes cost for NA is higher if you want to achieve the the same power level like turbo. But NA offer different level of engine performance, if you have driven a highly tuned VTEC or K20A powerplant you will know what i meant. Lagless and power delivery is different from Turbo.

Totally agreed. Toyota 4a-ge for atlantic championship. 1.6DOHC generating 240bhp.

But what makes NA race engine vs turbo engine is realibility. It depends on your driving style, but definitely if the car is pushed continuously, turbo engine will have higher risk of reliability problem as per compared to NA engine. Try to drive your turbo car in Sepang push it hard for alot of laps. Then you can judge if your machine is realiable or not.

Yeah... True provided comparing with 2 same specification engine but one is turbocharged. Example, 4G93NA modded to the max with maximum bore of 83mm and a 4G93 BOT modded to the max with bore size 83mm as well. Then push to the MAX...Hehe...

 

[lancer mivec1996]

hi guys anyone know if you could bolt on a gsr turbo on to a 4g92 mivec dohc engine. or any idea to up the bhp.cant find performance parts for my car handy.

 

[ky_fei]

Dear all bot sifus, my Bot kit for 4g15 up for sell, 4knego for turbine td04L,whole set piping, intercooler, banana extractor, blow off ssqv, fuel regulator, and also emange goes together =D
letting go, nego until sell =)

 

[veilsideboyz]

.......wanna sell thing..should post at MARKETPLACE ... NOT HERE !!
Thankss for ur corp...

Bump: .......wanna sell thing..should post at MARKETPLACE ... NOT HERE !!
Thankss for ur corp...

 

[evo5755]

Aiks... NA=Normally aspirated. Breath normally like our lungs... Increasing the volume of the cylinder during the intake stroke effect vacuum condition. The the air sucks into the cylinder... Put a boost meter into an NA intake manifold... Then check out the reading...

Ok ok. no problem. One Na engine suck air, one turbo the snail push the air in.hehehehe



It's more due to the structure design of the engine itself bro... Not so much on the material. Yes, there's alot of casting method. But we're somehow dealing with cast iron. In terms of VR4 block and EVO block, They are block in different era/time...

When they do, cast iron, iron is melted in an induction furnace. In automotive production industry, esspecially japanese make... which i am more familiar with. They have 1 furnace for a few models. And when they do casting, it's the same material for different model at 1 time

Yes it is true same material for few models. They wont change the material.But turbo engine vs NA engine, same material for the block? We are looking at difference of material for NA and Turbo.


Totally agreed. Toyota 4a-ge for atlantic championship. 1.6DOHC generating 240bhp.


Yeah... True provided comparing with 2 same specification engine but one is turbocharged. Example, 4G93NA modded to the max with maximum bore of 83mm and a 4G93 BOT modded to the max with bore size 83mm as well. Then push to the MAX...Hehe...

Ya push to the max, and $$$ also come out the MAx.

 

[ky_fei]

Sure sifoo =) thanks for your reminder, u are very geng. soli sifuuuuuuu =)

 

[contreasjun27]

Sure sifoo =) thanks for your reminder, u are very geng. soli sifuuuuuuu =)

why selling ur engine bro???
getting boring with it or change to a bigger CC engine haha..
come to WOC tt often lah bro haha

 

[alvin24]

Wah damn long neva login here... haha. How's everyone doing?

Wah... ky_fei wanna retire from BOT adi?

Bump: Wah damn long neva login here... haha. How's everyone doing?

Wah... ky_fei wanna retire from BOT adi?

 

[swifuspo]

all sifus, what do u think of suzuki swift sports M16A bolt on turbo kit?
the car has high compression... can any sifus explain the pros and cons?
cheers....

Bump: all sifus, what do u think of suzuki swift sports M16A bolt on turbo kit?
the car has high compression... can any sifus explain the pros and cons?
cheers....

 

[speed2horizon]

all sifus, what do u think of suzuki swift sports M16A bolt on turbo kit?
the car has high compression... can any sifus explain the pros and cons?
cheers....

Bump: all sifus, what do u think of suzuki swift sports M16A bolt on turbo kit?
the car has high compression... can any sifus explain the pros and cons?
cheers....

Get in the specifications

CR
piston bore n stroke

 

[veilsideboyz]

play N/A la ! what for AIM for turbo ^^

Bump: play N/A la ! what for AIM for turbo ^^

 

[CelicaIzPower]

Hi Guys,

I'd love to hear more about turbo.. especially when my car is a NA but can someone tell me how much does it roughly cost and what is needed to buy for a 0.9 boost on my standard 4G15P saga?...

need to know $$ before thinking... it's either I do this or I go Full NA. e.g Hi Cams which is about less then RM 1.5k

Bump: Hi Guys,

I'd love to hear more about turbo.. especially when my car is a NA but can someone tell me how much does it roughly cost and what is needed to buy for a 0.9 boost on my standard 4G15P saga?...

need to know $$ before thinking... it's either I do this or I go Full NA. e.g Hi Cams which is about less then RM 1.5k

 

[speed2horizon]

Hi Guys,

I'd love to hear more about turbo.. especially when my car is a NA but can someone tell me how much does it roughly cost and what is needed to buy for a 0.9 boost on my standard 4G15P saga?...

need to know $$ before thinking... it's either I do this or I go Full NA. e.g Hi Cams which is about less then RM 1.5k

Hmm... there are things for you to think about..

First, BOT will definitely cost more than 1.5k. But u'll satisfaction and addiction is also more.....
Secondly, it requires even more money and time to be spent in order to achieve 0.9 bar of boost...

 

[yashiofactory]

yeah thats true what the speed2horizon saying but some people over here are looking for boosting somewhere around 1.4 to 1.5 bar.......thats really scared me for the BOT......hehehehehehheheh

Bump: yeah thats true what the speed2horizon saying but some people over here are looking for boosting somewhere around 1.4 to 1.5 bar.......thats really scared me for the BOT......hehehehehehheheh

 

[speed2horizon]

yeah thats true what the speed2horizon saying but some people over here are looking for boosting somewhere around 1.4 to 1.5 bar.......thats really scared me for the BOT......hehehehehehheheh

Bump: yeah thats true what the speed2horizon saying but some people over here are looking for boosting somewhere around 1.4 to 1.5 bar.......thats really scared me for the BOT......hehehehehehheheh

BOT or Original Turbocharged engine, 1.4/1.5 is still scary bro... Hehe... MONSTER!!!

 

[lan.dr.c99limited]

waja 4g18 or campro?

 

[kenshin]

Anyone mind to tell me what is this BOT's fuss all about ? :D Juz heard this recently ( sorry for being outdated :P ) So i'll appreciate it if someone could help fill me in more about it . Mayb i cud get one for my 4g93p since i can't afford to get 4g93t/vr4 . Thanks in advance .