Will LSD affect fuel consumption

tHrottle power

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Dear All toyotarians,

Recently i had my AE111's 5mt gearbox installed a unit of helical LSD. I would like to know, do LSD affect's fuel consumption??? It would be nice some feedback.

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nope...

but final drive ratio would change FC...where most LSD have shorter final driver ratio...means on long journey at high speed FC would suffer a bit
 
Sorry for my noobness, but LSD will affect the final drive ratio? AFAIK, final drive is in the gearbox, not the differential right?
However, I did notice that cruising at 110km/h with LSD gbox runs at slightly higher RPM. However in my case, the entire gbox was swapped out with a LSD gbox. Not too sure if just swapping out the LSD differential itself while retaining the ori gbox will affect the final drive or not, by right it shouldn't rite?
 
not really that way....

because the final drive was bolted/welded on the differential itself....so means if u change diff unit with LSD type..most likely it comes with shorter final drive.....no excuses....


even if u swapped gearbox....those LSD equipped GB mostly got shorter final drive....dun believe me u can google the gearbox spec.


maybe u can retain the final drive if your differential unit comes with bolted final drive tooth...(means can change the tooth)
 
Is it lsd only affect to avoid our vehicle to slip? Maintain the traction. I think not really direct effect to fc.
 
thats why earlier i stated that LSD wouldn't effect directly...but the final drive that comes with LSD would make the different :adore:
 
walauwehhhhh....
prem with lsd oledi...
congratttt....

hahah... sort of, but not lucky enough to grab your TRD LSD... huhu

not really that way....
because the final drive was bolted/welded on the differential itself....so means if u change diff unit with LSD type..most likely it comes with shorter final drive.....no excuses....
even if u swapped gearbox....those LSD equipped GB mostly got shorter final drive....dun believe me u can google the gearbox spec.
maybe u can retain the final drive if your differential unit comes with bolted final drive tooth...(means can change the tooth)

bro pomen, not really sure bout other makes but for toyota 4age series, some of the gearbox does come with factory LSD and still having the same gearbox code (eg: c52,c56,c160) which doesn't indicate that the LSD fitted gearbox had different final drive ratio. For example, a C56 gbox with or without factory fitted LSD has the same gear ratio according to toyota spec.

As for aftermarket LSD, I noticed the LSD unit itself is sold separately from the final drive. But I'm quite noob in this gearbox subject so need to wait for CEO to enlighten me :adore:
 
original helical toyota lsd

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Final Drive ring is connected to the lsd with 8 bolts.
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just want to compare between other member here...

first thing is...i drive a 20v bt 5 speed lsd equipped (i assume factory equipped lsd) in a ae 101 corolla...on 15 rims...with 195/55/15 tyres...when traveling at speed of 120km/h engine rpm is around 4k...

come to think of it technically...if it were an open differential and have different final drive ratio...does the rpm have a comparable/noticeable different when traveling at the same speed on other vehicle...???
 
LSD is some mechanical past that control taction on both side of shaft, so it will make the acceleration abit heavy. So to counter this problem, they should make the final drive bigger.....just my opinion.....

Bro....so 4k rpm is 120kh/h? Same like b16b drive shaft lor....my friends car speed on hiway....his car also with lsd
 
CEO, so does that mean LSD or non-LSD has the same final drive is it? Or the fd is different?
Thanks a lot for the pictures.... but I have two question.

1. Since OEM toyota helical LSD doesn't have any clutch inside, what is the recommended gear oil to be used?
2. Also, do you have a picture of the OEM toyota helical LSD center hole?
 
nope...

but final drive ratio would change FC...where most LSD have shorter final driver ratio...means on long journey at high speed FC would suffer a bit

'most' lsd have shorter ratio? most also mean a lot. tell me one.
u wont suffer higher fc for long journey if u maintain average 3krpm, same goes to other car.
of course the speed is lower if u use bigger fin.drive (fd) and the bright side is u wont get speedtrap.

not really that way....

A - because the final drive was bolted/welded on the differential itself....so means if u change diff unit with LSD type..most likely it comes with shorter final drive.....no excuses....


B - even if u swapped gearbox....those LSD equipped GB mostly got shorter final drive....dun believe me u can google the gearbox spec.


C - maybe u can retain the final drive if your differential unit comes with bolted final drive tooth...(means can change the tooth)

a - yes its bolted/screw, not welded. ive never seen/heard someone welding their diff to the FD, i dunno about others.
"so means if u change diff unit with LSD type..most likely it comes with shorter final drive"...
exuse me, short mean what..4.1?? please explain 'shorter final drive'...bcos my layman term to describe FD is big or small. 4.3 is a baseline as we knew thats the stock supply for c52/56.
so big = >4.3 e.g 4.5-4.7-5.2 etc and small = 4.2,4.0,3.9 and so on....

b - i dont believe u. googling gbox spec for what as they normally didnt equipped with lsd while some does but it didnt change fd though.
people normally, change the differential unit only. FD is another different thing, unless it is welded together as u mention above. u can get a new set of kaaz lsd at some of the perf shop in here, and hey it didnt come with FD. if u swapped with other/different code of gbox (c52 starlet/c60) thats another story bcos they have different final gear ratio.

c - u dont need to change, just take out the old one and change the lsd unit...unless u have alot of different set of final gear. i believe the thread starter here refer to c56 ae111 gearbox...maybe its a different thing to RB's since u are the GTR pomen, or maybe it is defferent to other car/brand...or just like my friend satria since they have few different models and gearbox ratio.

just want to compare between other member here...

first thing is...i drive a 20v bt 5 speed lsd equipped (i assume factory equipped lsd) in a ae 101 corolla...on 15 rims...with 195/55/15 tyres...when traveling at speed of 120km/h engine rpm is around 4k...

come to think of it technically...if it were an open differential and have different final drive ratio...does the rpm have a comparable/noticeable different when traveling at the same speed on other vehicle...???
yes, if u change to different gear ratio. if chnage the lsd unit only it wont affect the speed at all. c52 at 3k rpm normally travel at 92/95kmh. its normal to hit 120kmh at 4k.

"Will LSD affect fuel consumption"
- this is kinda silly question but also make sense. i believe that the owner 'tHrottle power' is concernd about his gripping power since he get more traction by his lsd but somehow more or less it will affect the fc. for the believers.....

"Tyres effect fuel efficiency

It is estimated that about 50% of tyres on the road are under inflated. Aside from increasing the rate of wear, this wastes fuel and decreased your fuel efficiency. Check your tyre pressures every fortnight. Worn tyres will also decrease fuel efficiency (and your safety!), so check the tread regularly. If you are replacing tyres then consider some of the newer 'Eco' tyres that are designed specifically to increase fuel efficiency.

Read more: Car - Fuel Efficiency
http://www.whatprice.co.uk"

one more thing,
im not an expert. i am oso not a qualified person to discuss this 'gearing-ratio' topic since i dont have any certificate in engineering. so, my statement here is totally crap. happy discussion.
peace.
 
'most' lsd have shorter ratio? most also mean a lot. tell me one.
u wont suffer higher fc for long journey if u maintain average 3krpm, same goes to other car.
of course the speed is lower if u use bigger fin.drive (fd) and the bright side is u wont get speedtrap.



a - yes its bolted/screw, not welded. ive never seen/heard someone welding their diff to the FD, i dunno about others.
"so means if u change diff unit with LSD type..most likely it comes with shorter final drive"...
exuse me, short mean what..4.1?? please explain 'shorter final drive'...bcos my layman term to describe FD is big or small. 4.3 is a baseline as we knew thats the stock supply for c52/56.
so big = >4.3 e.g 4.5-4.7-5.2 etc and small = 4.2,4.0,3.9 and so on....

b - i dont believe u. googling gbox spec for what as they normally didnt equipped with lsd while some does but it didnt change fd though.
people normally, change the differential unit only. FD is another different thing, unless it is welded together as u mention above. u can get a new set of kaaz lsd at some of the perf shop in here, and hey it didnt come with FD. if u swapped with other/different code of gbox (c52 starlet/c60) thats another story bcos they have different final gear ratio.

c - u dont need to change, just take out the old one and change the lsd unit...unless u have alot of different set of final gear. i believe the thread starter here refer to c56 ae111 gearbox...maybe its a different thing to RB's since u are the GTR pomen, or maybe it is defferent to other car/brand...or just like my friend satria since they have few different models and gearbox ratio.


yes, if u change to different gear ratio. if chnage the lsd unit only it wont affect the speed at all. c52 at 3k rpm normally travel at 92/95kmh. its normal to hit 120kmh at 4k.

"Will LSD affect fuel consumption"
- this is kinda silly question but also make sense. i believe that the owner 'tHrottle power' is concernd about his gripping power since he get more traction by his lsd but somehow more or less it will affect the fc. for the believers.....

"Tyres effect fuel efficiency

It is estimated that about 50% of tyres on the road are under inflated. Aside from increasing the rate of wear, this wastes fuel and decreased your fuel efficiency. Check your tyre pressures every fortnight. Worn tyres will also decrease fuel efficiency (and your safety!), so check the tread regularly. If you are replacing tyres then consider some of the newer 'Eco' tyres that are designed specifically to increase fuel efficiency.

Read more: Car - Fuel Efficiency
http://www.whatprice.co.uk"

one more thing,
im not an expert. i am oso not a qualified person to discuss this 'gearing-ratio' topic since i dont have any certificate in engineering. so, my statement here is totally crap. happy discussion.
peace.

ok u've corrected my mistake...

TQ :adore:

*just some term we use might differ....
 
The final drive is the same 4.312, no matter Original LSD, aftermarket LSD if the original owner didn't change it.
what most japanese do is (in case of aftermarket LSD): open a C52 or C56 stock from factory, open the 8 bolts, take out the open-differential, replace it with LSD, put back 8 bolts, and assemble back the gearbox housing.
If change lsd also get shorter gear ratio, very good la.
4.7 Final Drive costs about RM4k++ nowadays and you all said its comes with LSD, wow very good. cannot la sell my TRD Final Drive like this. no value if everybody can have FD. waaaaaa.. (for our toyota, aftermarket's product is not as many as honda's)

wei t-la, share la your movie that shows how/what if the gearbox is equipped with after market final drive here. sure many people would like to see it.

btw, i got kaaz lsd, trd lsd for sale hahhahahhaha (iklan a bit)
 
yea yea i know final drive can retain...


but often ppl install LSD for motorsport use would likely fit shorter final drive (bigger ratio) for improved acceleration especially in gymkhana/rally/tight circuit......

thus explaining why i said "most"...maybe i shud replace it with "some" :adore:
 
thanks for the discussion and comments....appreciate it......

just wanna add with another question...could you comment on the gearbox fluid that your using. wat is suitable for c56 gearbox with LSD??

thanks
 

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