RON95 & RON97 Myths and Facts

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I use RON95 on the tuning. But, back to daily drive, I pumped RON 97.
Why?

- Running with duratec 272 cam, idling speed is smooth when burn with RON 97
( my idling speed is initially set at 1000~1100rpm on RON 95 in-order to gain stable idling + air con kick in. when pump in RON97, idling is increase to 1300rpm.
So, now I decrease my idling to 950rpm and it stable and smooth over there even though with air con !!)
So, don't tell me that RON95 can replace RON97... is totally different !!!!!

- engine respond is much much better...engine sound is not that loud..running smooth
- better FC.
 

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ok who wants to help me dyno my car running different fuel... :biggrin:


the boosted car and the n/a car... :driver:
Send to Bro. Izso.......:biggrin: He will love your Scooby doo......:adore:

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So you are using RON97 all the way or de-tune already?



Actually what I meant when the car is shaking is during very low rpm. I cross over speed bumps like maybe under 20kmh which is around 1500-1000rpm if I am in 3rd gear. But I do know from my mechanic that a few of my engine mounting needs replacement (already replaced one near the gearbox). Nonetheless, thanks for the highlight. :biggrin:
I have been using Ron 95 with additives and now back to 97. De-tune might as well not drive it.....hahhahhahahha:biggrin:

Probably in third is under powered so the engine vibrate trying to move the car in third. Same thing will happen if you try to drive off in 2nd or 3rd from stand still

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For me, there isnt any diff. using ron97 or ron95 for my daily ride. Maybe I didn't rev or push the engine. Average speed is about 80km/hour.
So, I would just pump ron95. Save a few bucks and buy karipap at Petronas Kedai Mesra...hahaha
Just like in my Hyundai and Chery SUV, stated Ron 91 and 93 respectively in car manual, so have been using 95 all along.....:biggrin:
 

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Actually - there might be a logical explanation to this, most people I know don't know what mild knocking even is. The clakclakclak that they hear has always been there and they think it's normal. Once 97 comes in the knocking is gone and hence the thinking that it's smoother. Yes it's smoother, only because you've been living with knocking since day 1.

The other possibility is the additives in 97 is different from 95 for whatever reason. I don't know for sure but it's likely the additives are different. *shrugs*



Kancil carb - mechanical engine no knock sensor or anything. How you're able to get 30km more is beyond me. Consistently? Or one off? Or did you fiddle with the carb to utilize the fuel? Or was it originally tuned that way and you've been having pinging for a while but never noticed it since it and suddenly the introduction to 97 improved things overall?

As for the Kelisa experiencing something different - that's damn weird. 100km is a lot. There's too many factors that could attribute to your cars inability to reach 150km/h easily.



There's a few reasons your car does that. A normal wira doesn't vibrate and shake violently after speed bumps. Mine didn't before and after modding it. So to say the fuel helped reduce the vibration means there's a potential problem with your engine - either at the ignition portion, or something. I'd consider having that looked at soon.



A lot is hearsay until proven properly otherwise. The logic and science behind the octane number is there but there's too many feedback from people saying different things. A few things need to be considered before anything conclusive can be said.

- Engine and car overall condition. Any failing component will definitely affect the performance the car which might get covered by the RON difference (early detonation, weak ignition, misfiring, etc). Dirty air filter at the point of time will affect performance and mileage too. The condition of your petrol tank too will dictate the quality of petrol. Sand, water, additives you bought from Tesco that never dissolved properly, old worn fuel lines, clogged injectors, etc.

- Environmental factors. On a cool humid but dry day, the cars will generally work better compared to a hot humid day. Dusty roads, lack of tyre grip due to road conditions, etc.

- Weight of the car during the tests. Highway running means you might have bags and passengers. Or not. FC will definitely be affected as well as acceleration.

- Quality of petrol pumped. Not all kiosks get a fresh supply of petrol everyday. Some refill weekly and a rare few bi-weekly. If it just so happens you get petrol from a kiosk that might have a contaminated storage tank, or perhaps an old tank that has sediments, rust, or whatever inside then the quality of the petrol will be tainted. Having said that Esso / Mobil in the past had a regulation that the storage tank had to be replaced every 10 years. I wonder how it works for other companies and whether kiosk operators actually adhered to these rules since it's not exactly cheap to replace underground storage tanks.

So many possibilities that could directly or indirectly affect your cars performance which would contribute to your RON95/97 tests.

Having said that I'm offering a challenge to anyone interested to try. Offer up your car for a complete service and inspection, run on RON95 for 2 weeks, go dyno, run RON97 for 2 weeks then dyno again.

Conditions that must be met :

1. Inspection must be done by a independent party. Eg - me or anyone who might be interested. Service must be complete - GB, EO, brakes, etc
2. The car must be driven exactly the same way at the same route everyday (almost is fine, doesn't have to be precise)
3. The exact same petrol pump and kiosk and petrol brand must be used
4. The same dyno machine must be used.

Anyone interested? I'll document the whole process and post it up as a ZTH article. :biggrin:

That's nice..I'm in it!

I hope that we can get 2 or 3 typical Malaysian car for the test..
no campro, no ecoboost, no hi tech, no high peformance engine..

1) old engine like 4G15 or 4G13
2) 1.5 (Myvi/Alza or Vios or City)
3) Campro CFE
4) Any 2 litre Japan car (NA engine)

We did it once and for all!
 

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Actually - there might be a logical explanation to this, most people I know don't know what mild knocking even is. The clakclakclak that they hear has always been there and they think it's normal. Once 97 comes in the knocking is gone and hence the thinking that it's smoother. Yes it's smoother, only because you've been living with knocking since day 1.

The other possibility is the additives in 97 is different from 95 for whatever reason. I don't know for sure but it's likely the additives are different. *shrugs*
...
That's my suspicion too, some people might not realized that their engines have been suffering from mild knocking all along and hence claims those are all gone once using 97. Also those who drive manual but lazy to change to lower gears when speed drops too low and they think the 97 helps to get rid of the 'sound & vibration' which happened when they use 95, hence the smoother claim. :biggrin:

Additives normally just for cleaning, CMIIW. So if the engine already has quite bad carbon deposits either in the injectors, valves, or pistons, then by using 97 maybe can help to clean better those deposits and hence the engine can run 'smoother' but I don't think it's as immediately noticeable as many claim to be.
 

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Additives normally just for cleaning, CMIIW. So if the engine already has quite bad carbon deposits either in the injectors, valves, or pistons, then by using 97 maybe can help to clean better those deposits and hence the engine can run 'smoother' but I don't think it's as immediately noticeable as many claim to be.
Yup, my VR took 3 tanks from Ron97 to 95, then started to have knocking, then need the same to go back from 95 to 97 to run smoothly...
 

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Only Waiora_ProTuner wants to take up my challenge? Ok. Actually I'd like to try all ranges of cars. Not just the old 30+ year old engines. I offer my Sylphy for testing, not recent but not old either.

Let's compile a list of actual cars we can use for testing :

1. Nissan Sylphy 2010 (G11)
2.
3.
4.

We'll start with just 3-4 vastly different cars for testing. Then we document the test with pictures and a dyno run before and after. This would be an epic test seriously!

Average speed is about 80km/hour.
:thefinger:

When people say their average is that slow.. it means they are taking the average of max 180km/h and 0km/h (idling stationery). Hehehehehehe
 

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Only Waiora_ProTuner wants to take up my challenge? Ok. Actually I'd like to try all ranges of cars. Not just the old 30+ year old engines. I offer my Sylphy for testing, not recent but not old either.

Let's compile a list of actual cars we can use for testing :

1. Nissan Sylphy 2010 (G11)
2.
3.
4.

We'll start with just 3-4 vastly different cars for testing. Then we document the test with pictures and a dyno run before and after. This would be an epic test seriously!



:thefinger:

When people say their average is that slow.. it means they are taking the average of max 180km/h and 0km/h (idling stationery). Hehehehehehe

ok then i'll guess i can jump in join the fun...put my old 4g92 sohc satria in the list... (even with old mmc pre-obd2 tech) it still got knock sensor...just i doubt it work in active manner like more modern car...
 

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Only Waiora_ProTuner wants to take up my challenge? Ok. Actually I'd like to try all ranges of cars. Not just the old 30+ year old engines. I offer my Sylphy for testing, not recent but not old either.

Let's compile a list of actual cars we can use for testing :

1. Nissan Sylphy 2010 (G11)
2. Proton Inspira 2.0L 2013
3.
4.

We'll start with just 3-4 vastly different cars for testing. Then we document the test with pictures and a dyno run before and after. This would be an epic test seriously!
I only have 1.6 Neo and 2.0 Inspira with me..as I dont want to test Campro NA (it's quite sensitive to different/better fuel) I put up my Inspira for test. :itsme:

Its the same category however with Sylphy..2liter CVT...later choose only 1...

Anyone have vios? the most important car to be tested...bone stock vios..
or Myvi...
 

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I only have 1.6 Neo and 2.0 Inspira with me..as I dont want to test Campro NA (it's quite sensitive to different/better fuel) I put up my Inspira for test. :itsme:

Its the same category however with Sylphy..2liter CVT...later choose only 1...

Anyone have vios? the most important car to be tested...bone stock vios..
or Myvi...
Bro. cvkit......:biggrin:
 

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Din't test on your Jetta? That one VVT-i. :biggrin:

Those station want to stop selling to everyone. Those people using high compression engines will be so furious at this. If at KL, it would be supercar owners, haha.
Only Waiora_ProTuner wants to take up my challenge? Ok. Actually I'd like to try all ranges of cars. Not just the old 30+ year old engines. I offer my Sylphy for testing, not recent but not old either.

Let's compile a list of actual cars we can use for testing :

1. Nissan Sylphy 2010 (G11)
2.
3.
4.

We'll start with just 3-4 vastly different cars for testing. Then we document the test with pictures and a dyno run before and after. This would be an epic test seriously!



:thefinger:

When people say their average is that slow.. it means they are taking the average of max 180km/h and 0km/h (idling stationery). Hehehehehehe
Would like to offer my jetta for test but I'm not driving it all the time. More usage by parents.
Maybe I just join group Dyno haha!

Bro. cvkit......:biggrin:
Cbkit no longer stock myvi wor...
 

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1. Nissan Sylphy 2.0
2. Inspira 2.0 / 1.6 Neo
3. 4g92 sohc satria

Waiora_ProTuner dude, the Inspira and Sylphy share the same GB if I'm not mistaken. The difference might be too similar but it'll be an interesting check. I'd like to look at the Neo 1.6 though.

Any other cars? We need a larger variety then can choose which cars to test based on popular vote.
 

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1. Nissan Sylphy 2.0
2. Inspira 2.0 / 1.6 Neo
3. 4g92 sohc satria

Waiora_ProTuner dude, the Inspira and Sylphy share the same GB if I'm not mistaken. The difference might be too similar but it'll be an interesting check. I'd like to look at the Neo 1.6 though.

Any other cars? We need a larger variety then can choose which cars to test based on popular vote.
cbkit's Vios
 

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Perodua Kelisa :biggrin:

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Same like you, he does not drive it often, mostly by his sister......hahhahahhaha:biggrin:
Can ma, just see the mileage. Then note it down and make sure they pump RON97.
 

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Would like to offer my jetta for test but I'm not driving it all the time. More usage by parents.
Maybe I just join group Dyno haha!



Cbkit no longer stock myvi wor...
Still stock minus the kuching box only.....hhahahhahaha:biggrin:

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Perodua Kelisa :biggrin:

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Can ma, just see the mileage. Then note it down and make sure they pump RON97.
Sister will say 97 expensive.....hhahhahahah:biggrin:
 

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Still stock minus the kuching box only.....hhahahhahaha:biggrin:

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Sister will say 97 expensive.....hhahhahahah:biggrin:
Cv pay...
 

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Come in here and I see cb sana sini...knnaccb...my car no cbcb, only I am very cb

Apa test actually..I missed a lot of things huh
 

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1. Nissan Sylphy 2.0
2. Inspira 2.0 / 1.6 Neo
3. 4g92 sohc satria

Waiora_ProTuner dude, the Inspira and Sylphy share the same GB if I'm not mistaken. The difference might be too similar but it'll be an interesting check. I'd like to look at the Neo 1.6 though.

Any other cars? We need a larger variety then can choose which cars to test based on popular vote.
The auto Neo produce 87whp in stock condition (ron 95)..

At the end of its service it produce near 130hp (ron97)...its not a stock Campro anymore...the data obtained might not be usable..
And it have been more than a year without proper maintenance...got cet cet cet belt sound...

As for The CVT Inspira, it produce 112whp (ron95)...that's several months ago, might need to do dyno again..
can't wait to see the difference with ron 97...or not..
 

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