NA or Turbo ?!!!

[Supra_Fanatics]

add, add, add, then end up RM8k.....must remeber still have to upgrade brakes and suspension.....

Just use stock + handbrakes

 

[vr2turbo]

Just use stock + handbrakes

Cannot, once turbo already the brakes and suspension cannot take it......

 

[cvkit17]

Cannot, once turbo already the brakes and suspension cannot take it......

Can...dun drive gila-ly first and also dont get JPJ approval first - at your own risk lol

 

[vr2turbo]

Can...dun drive gila-ly first and also dont get JPJ approval first - at your own risk lol

BOT no need JPJ mah!

 

[amrancharger]

Can...dun drive gila-ly first and also dont get JPJ approval first - at your own risk lol

BOT doesnt need approval nor endorsement.
set the boost very low ...

 

[vr2turbo]

BOT doesnt need approval nor endorsement.
set the boost very low ...

No engine change, BOT plug and play.....

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

BOT risk engine getting explode only...

 

[6UE5t]

As far as I know, the cars were going too fast. If not mistaken was 1.5 twin turbos churning 800bhp, then switch to 3.0 NA V10. Heard they could get only 500 at the start and as time went on more and more until they met up with the power of the 1.5 twin turbos, then they switch to V8 2.4 NA. They actually wanted to slow them down, too fast and dangerous. At one time even add block underneath the car to break their aero dynamics. Yup, the could be going back to turbos....

In the mid 80s, those 1.5ltr turbos already reach around 1200HP in qualifying trim! In race they tuned it down to around 800HP for reliability. Then in 1989 they switch to 3.5ltr with max 12 cyl, producing around 650HP at the start but soon able to reach 800HP. Then they reduce again to 3.0ltr in 1995, and finally 2.4ltr V8 in 2006. Now they're considering going back to turbo 1.6ltr.

If I were not mistaken, the car driven by Senna was turbocharged. Then at Schumachers era, it is 2.6L V10 then boasted up to 3.0L V10. I remember Schumi said that it is much more faster Then to save cost, the lowered down the capacity to 2.4L V8. Ironically, the car doesnt slow down very much as technology has improved (kers, drs, double diffusers, etc). The sport has become more interesting that ever, especially this season of 2012.

There will be electric F1 soon ! Could it be a beginning of a new mod? NA + Electrified Car (not the usual hybrid, but with an additional electrical boost). We have seen many performance hybrid car, but none are modified into one. Proton Wirelectrilutioned

Senna raced in F1 from 84 to 94, so he used 1.5ltr turbos (Renault & Honda), 3.5ltr V10 (Honda & Renault), & 3.5ltr V12 (Honda). Shoemaker started in 91 using 3.5ltr V8 (Ford), then 3.0ltr V10 (Ferrari), and 2.4ltr V8 (Ferrari & Merc).
The cars are still fast because of improvements in other areas like aero, suspension, gearbox, tires, etc2.

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I only watch SuperGT

Where? Astro never broadcast live, only sometimes recorded. Unless you watch in youtube in Japanese. :)

 

[vr2turbo]

BOT risk engine getting explode only...

Do correctly mah.....

 

[pwhyze]

Imagine driving a 1000hp turbo beast at speeds above 250m/h with crazy lag on 80's tires and relatively ancient traction control.....and it's pouring.

And this one guy was lapping everyone else, even the former champion. That's how awesome Senna was. If any of you have the time, go and find the movie "Senna", released in 2010. I highly recommend it.

Here's a Top Gear tribute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4oLSYSJO5Ik#!

*Sorry for OOT!!

 

[6UE5t]

Imagine driving a 1000hp turbo beast at speeds above 250m/h with crazy lag on 80's tires and relatively ancient traction control.....and it's pouring.

And this one guy was lapping everyone else, even the former champion. That's how awesome Senna was. If any of you have the time, go and find the movie "Senna", released in 2010. I highly recommend it.

Correction, NO TRACTION CONTROL at that time! The only traction control was the foot!
Senna was the king, wet or dry, a true racing genius! He should've won Monaco 84 on his first try in the rain using a crappy Toleman (equivalent to maybe Caterham of today). Then in Portugal 85, he lapped all but 2nd place car (Alboreto) which was over 1 min behind him. Yes, that movie is great. I have the full/long version with interviews with Prost, Dennis, & others in between the movie, and I also have it recorded in my Astro PVR.

 

[pwhyze]

I knew the Mclaren didn't have any, but I think the Renault Williams had some sort of traction control and a trick suspension. Wasn't the car he famously drove in the wet though so you're right.

Had a tear in my eye after i was done with the movie..haha

 

[6UE5t]

I knew the Mclaren didn't have any, but I think the Renault Williams had some sort of traction control and a trick suspension. Wasn't the car he famously drove in the wet though so you're right.

Had a tear in my eye after i was done with the movie..haha

No, not yet in 85. Lotus actually started active suspension around 87, but that's not traction control but more like self leveling suspension which took its' best form in Williams Renault 92-93 cars. Traction control itself started in early 90s (maybe in 92, cannot remember exactly), but then by 94 got banned (but Shoemaker's Benetton found a way to cheat it).

Well I didn't have any tears but I was amazed by the movie despite already knowing and watching the guy way back then. I did feel quite sad when he died in 94, then I did not follow F1 afterwards for almost 2 years.

Wah we're really OOT already bro! :)

 

[vr2turbo]

No, not yet in 85. Lotus actually started active suspension around 87, but that's not traction control but more like self leveling suspension which took its' best form in Williams Renault 92-93 cars. Traction control itself started in early 90s (maybe in 92, cannot remember exactly), but then by 94 got banned (but Shoemaker's Benetton found a way to cheat it).

Well I didn't have any tears but I was amazed by the movie despite already knowing and watching the guy way back then. I did feel quite sad when he died in 94, then I did not follow F1 afterwards for almost 2 years.

Wah we're really OOT already bro! :)

As usual we always side track a bit.....

 

[cvkit17]

As usual we always side track a bit.....

That is why Traction Control is important for off-trackers like us LOL

 

[vr2turbo]

That is why Traction Control is important for off-trackers like us LOL

Faster get back on track.......

 

[DareDan]

Yup, as per bro Zul diagram. This way works at low and high revs, that is why their torque is so good.....

Than I start to like Twin-Charge now...

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As usual we always side track a bit.....

Do you know there is a video that made to remember Senna and the Honda NSX?

 

[vr2turbo]

Than I start to like Twin-Charge now...

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Do you know there is a video that made to remember Senna and the Honda NSX?

NA or turbo, now change to twin charge......

 

[D7zul]

NA or turbo, now change to twin charge......

hahaha.. it all started with this t-shirt

if want to start a proper thread, should be like this :

- NA
- Supercharge
- Twin Charger
- Turbo
- Twin Turbo

 

[papagoines]

Love NA because of its throttle response....

Love Turbo because for a small displacement can give you a nicer torque curve (hotly debatable of course)...

For me, to play NA better go higher displacement... at least 4 liter will do ... if not, me play turbo for now hehe