Kissing and hugging in public is illegal ! Huh ??

[munky]

whatever the pros and cons, it will never happen. Coz malaysia is an islamic country.

 

[Duke Red]

I'm glad at least I'm not alone in my views.

Anyway Duke, I do feel that it does help sex crimes to some extent. Not all sexual offenders are seriously ill mentally and need to violate innocent women. In fact I believe the percentage of psychos is actually quite low. Statistics have usually shown that the most common sexual offences happen between people who know each other, incest, non-consensual sex between partners or spouses, date rape, and so on.

I've lost track of the discussion. Was it a question of if legalising prostitution would increase or decrease rape cases? Prostitution is already very accessible now and everyone knows it exists. How does making it legal, help? Rapists rape mainly because it's free, or at least that's what I think. Mental state is the other catalyst.

 

[si|verfish]

I was replying to a certain point you made, therefore, now the topic swerved into rape, hehe.

Anyway, if you look at the link I provided in one of the posts above, you would find some data about this, not entirely certain of its accuracy though.

Some excerpts (statistics are within that article);

Crime is a word used to describe taboo behaviors in a society. Each society defines it and enacts punishments to counter it differently. In Table 1 below, we will find comparative statistics on serious crimes and information on how criminals are pursued. Murders, rapes, the number of adults prosecuted, and number of prisoners per country are listed.

Serious crimes are high in the United States. The U.S. places second on the murder list. The only country with a higher rate is Mexico. The U.S. has nearly half the murders as Mexico, but has two and a half times as many murders as Canada. When looking at rape data, the U.S. is second on the list, with Canada topping it. The U.S. rate is slightly less than half of Canada's rate, but more than double France's rate. The United States sits firmly in second place with these two violent crimes.

The United States has problems with violent crime despite great efforts to prosecute criminals and imprison them. The U.S. prosecutes almost five times the number of people as Canada and over eight times the number that Mexico reports. The U.S. is also unrivaled in terms of imprisonment. France comes the closest to the U.S.'s number of inmates, confining one-sixth the number as the U.S.

It is unknown if there is a correlation between laws that prohibit sex and higher crime rates, but the reverse appears to be more enlightening. The countries where prostitution is legal do not suffer from a high number of violent crimes. It appears legalized prostitution does not make societies more of a crime hazard. Contrary to the prohibitionist's philosophy, this data may give reason to implement and regulate prostitution to reduce crime because crime in countries where prostitution is legal is lower than the U.S.'s rates.

Given the three broad categories above (Crime, Healthcare, Social conditions), the countries having legal prostitution enjoy many benefits the United States does not. Crime is higher within the U.S., despite severe laws, intense prosecution rates and a high number of imprisonments. People infected with HIV/AIDS are higher, as is the number of HIV/AIDS deaths in the U.S. Even suicide rates and divorce rates are disproportionately high in the U.S., too.

Upon a close examination of the Netherlands reveals interesting findings. Amsterdam is the capitol of the Netherlands and is internationally known for its redlight district. Critics to prostitution might be stunned to learn that the Netherlands has the least number of murders and rapes. It prosecutes a considerable amount of criminals but has a low number of prisoners. It does not suffer from an HIV/AIDS epidemic, like the U.S. and the U.K., and has the second lowest suicide rate listed. This news will literally stop critics (who are open to reason) in their tracks when they are confronted with such information.

A scientific study may be able to prove a causal relationship between legalized, regulated prostitution and the benefits of lower crime, better healthcare, lower suicide rates and lower divorce rates. However, this positional paper shows beyond a doubt that legalization of prostitution certainly does not create an environment causing critical country indicators to wane. Therefore, there exists a strong probability of countering teenage prostitution and helping women leave prostitution through specially targeted social programs, all at no risk. It is likely there will be improvements for the nation as a whole, since all citizens are immeasurably tied to the larger community.

There are many benefits to legalized prostitution. The benefits include (1) allowing law enforcement agencies to respond to more important crimes, (2) freeing justice systems from nuisance cases, (3) helping women who are trapped by prostitution, and (4) preventing teens from being ensnared into prostitution.

When data from countries that ban prostitution is compared with data from countries that do not, many startling discoveries can be observed. Countries without anti-prostitution laws have less murders, less rapes, and prosecute/imprison less people. HIV/AIDS is less of a problem; suicide rates are lower as are divorce rates, too.

 

[Duke Red]

There are many benefits to legalized prostitution. The benefits include (1) allowing law enforcement agencies to respond to more important crimes, (2) freeing justice systems from nuisance cases, (3) helping women who are trapped by prostitution, and (4) preventing teens from being ensnared into prostitution.

Very poignant points. At least I see eye to eye with the author. I'm just wondering if the explanation behind point no. 3 is the same as mine. I'm pretty sure that if prostitution is legalised, the government will talk about it more openly and provide more insight. Also it will prevent pimp daddy's from taking advantage of innocent girls as there will be a set of rules and regulations. Prostitutes will therefore have rights and can defend themselves through legal channels.

This is indeed the best way to control prostitution provided you accept the fact that it can never be totally abolished. In the end as Munky said, we are a Muslim country by choice or otherwise and it will be impossible for prostitution to ever be legalised here.

Makes for a good discussion topic though.

 

[yyap2]

Dun giv a shit to it.... if no hugging i can saw it will cause alot problem.... wat the fuk they wan to ban tat.. kissing ban nvm.. hugging also ban... wah.. in public if a female fren goin then giv a goodbye hug also wan come fine ah.... damn!!~~

 

[TitanRev]

No matter what is a person's sexual orientation. We must respcet them also. They are human just like us, some people are gay or lesbian is not what they wanted in the 1st place. Example, the only boy in the family with all girls as sisters from very young age, after he grown up he will show some acts like a girl cause the closest people to him since young is all girls. Show he has no idea how a boy should act like.

Like my sister, she's the only girl in the family. She's a tomboy (sometimes still show some sign that she is a girl) and she got a girlfriend too. Although my parents don't know about it but i accept what she is and our relationship is always good.

I hate ppl that laugh or ejek at gay or lesbian.:angry_smile: Please lah do respect other people.

 

[ka_ren]

today i saw a malay teenage couple hugging each other along the way right to their destination,in the train..

did notice some disapproving look from other passengers...

the gurl jus couldn't get enough of her bf... on my right a malay couple.. my left.. indian..

 

[K_Takuya]

todays news- the rules only apply to those who open thier cloth in the public places (exclude jogging male etc) open cloth which will leads to the act of sex only... (make love in public hidden places) dont worry friends, still can hug and kiss :)

 

[K_Takuya]

What western do.. we follow...

Are we still under the "White Mens Burden" ???????

 

[si|verfish]

todays news- the rules only apply to those who open thier cloth in the public places (exclude jogging male etc) open cloth which will leads to the act of sex only... (make love in public hidden places) dont worry friends, still can hug and kiss :)

I'd appreciate a link, if possible.

What western do.. we follow...

Are we still under the "White Mens Burden" ???????

And this is in response to?

 

[boggysv]

aww....grouphug....

 

[satria_95]

todays news- the rules only apply to those who open thier cloth in the public places (exclude jogging male etc) open cloth which will leads to the act of sex only... (make love in public hidden places) dont worry friends, still can hug and kiss :)

Evidence of news please, if you may. Thank you.

 

[protonburuk]

Evidence of news please, if you may. Thank you.

evidence ah..Berita Harian paper front page.18 april 2006.:_:

 

[Duke Red]

What western do.. we follow...

Fact is that westerners are not as close minded as easterners are. It boils down mainly to culture and heritage. I for one would like the freedom to express myself and be heard openly. I also have absolutely no problem if people want to kiss in public just as long as they aren't having sex in public. How is kissing explicit? It is a display of affection and if a couple love one another, good on them. Sharing the same views as the west does not mean we are idolising them. If there are positive things to take out, why the hell not?

 

[Seraph]

Fact is that westerners are not as close minded as easterners are. It boils down mainly to culture and heritage. I for one would like the freedom to express myself and be heard openly. I also have absolutely no problem if people want to kiss in public just as long as they aren't having sex in public. How is kissing explicit? It is a display of affection and if a couple love one another, good on them. Sharing the same views as the west does not mean we are idolising them. If there are positive things to take out, why the hell not?

Kissing I guess is okay as long as not French Kissing, look like dogs licking each other.

 

[Duke Red]

when i was in paris, couples were kissing everywhere. i guess that's why they call it the city of love. i guess you could also say i saw french, kissing

 

[zephyr3d]

like tat go disco or any party celebration.... everybody sure kena summon... or masuk jail.

 

[K_Takuya]

Personally i dont mind kissing and hugging.. NIKE - just do it, haha..

Nowdays the term of open minded and close minded is quite blur, at least to me. I rather choose "do whats best for us" and that goes for me, my family, my friends and my country...

Inventions, development from the western is good, i admit, i like it. but something somehow doesnt suit us, totally. we aseans have different mentality then the western.

we ourself can be our own trendsetter...

 

[Duke Red]

i actually think that westerners to admire us when it comes to being hardworking. look at the japanese as an example and see how efficient they are.

when it comes to this open-minded or close-minded issue ah, I just have one simple belief and that is to be given choices and not have to be treated like a kid.

 

[K_Takuya]

You are right Duke Red, we all have choices...

I also believe not all things can happen in the same way as it was before..