Dyno Results thread.. suck up your ego and post yours.

[ace79]

Eh, not 17kg/m is it? How can u match with those K20A's, they're just a wee bit faster than the DC2 lehhh...

hai ya.. not really la.. When i race with the DC5 in MSS, no match to them in corner exit or straight line. Those DC5 i think about 160-170ftlb.

Now waiting and saving enough for a 200+whp and 150+wftlb setup to chase DC5 in MSS. hehe.. Any potential sponsors/partners reading this thread??

haha..

 

[chris2000]

Can't you beat those DC5s with sheer power to weight? Not sure exacly how much lightening you've done on your DC2, but shouldn't it be quite light already?

Or is the DC2 chassis inherently heavier or same weight with a DC5?

Exactly how much power is your engine outputting anyway?

My DC2 is lighter than the DC5 but only very little. Those race DC5 had done lots of body lightening and some even use carbon fiber dash board, door panels, boot, hood etc.. So thats why my std DC2 body is not light enough.

My power as per earlier post 184whp only. Those DC5 all in the region of 220whp to 260whp.

 

[shiroitenshi]

Lots of catching up to do then. Good luck!

Too damn bad K20A's selling like a chunk of gold.. if not.. hahahaa.. EVIL old school hondas rears it's ugly head!

Thing is, to built a B-series to get near the performance of the K20A is not easy... furthermore for track use! For drag, different storylah.

Those K20As have strong blocks to match.. I think 220 to 260whp is only because they didn't explore the full potential of the engine.. and probably because lightening mods are cheaper and reliable.. :P

 

[chris2000]

engine setup is remain stock standard for internal block B18CR + factory PnP for head job.

and the most important is the car is for street + street race use, i've read about spec 3 from buddy club and looks like very impressive response!!!

crower,

i'm just asking only laa...btw let crower convince BSN to sponsor u'r race team....

Stock internal block then compression only 11:1. If you want just overall slightly better than CTR cams with CTR stock idle then go Omni Stage 1/Skunk2 stage 1/ Jun 2.

If you like top end or peak power then Omni Stage 2/Skunk2 Stage 2/ Jun 3. All similar profile.

If you like low-mid torque then larger primary cams like Buddy Club Spec 3+ or Toda A3/B. These cams have a bit rough idle but can be corrected with ECU. They good low to mid torque and power but power will peak earlier and less compared to the Omni S2/ Skunk2 S2/ Jun3.

If you can increase your compression a little then Toda C / Skunk2 Pro1+ / Buddy Club Spec 4 will be good power overall.

If you can bump compression to above 12.5:1 then Buddy Club Spec 5 / Toda D / Skunk2 Pro2+ / Jun Type 4

Hope this help.

 

[evoX2]

chris, between omni stage 1 and buddyclub spec 3+, which one peak ealier? Omni stage 1 produce power until what rpm?

 

[avantasia]

thanx chris,

good info!!!!

 

[shiroitenshi]

Hmmm... strange that when people claim WHP numbers they don't want to post the dyno sheet along.. why ah?

 

[ace79]

Well, either they don't have the copy of dyno test, or.....oopsie, tipu only!

Hmmm... strange that when people claim WHP numbers they don't want to post the dyno sheet along.. why ah?

 

[udengfahlawi]

ace97, wher's yours?...

 

[chris2000]

Hmmm... strange that when people claim WHP numbers they don't want to post the dyno sheet along.. why ah?

Well, either they don't have the copy of dyno test, or.....oopsie, tipu only!

Well, another thing was people are worried that their competitor finds out what power they making and analyzed the power curve to see what effects of parts they have on their car give that kind of power band. Internet is powerful now and even things posted will be view by racers and tuning workshops around MAlaysia. :regular_smile: kinda kiasu mentally hence motorsport and tuning scene are not growing as fast as it should like USA, UK or Australia or Japan.

I had the same feeling too hence never dyno my car before MME or to reveal any specs of the car till recently, when i thought to myself, "what the hell?? I want to sell parts we use on our own car and i have some special custom parts i have resources to and want to share and sell to forumer and my COMPETITORS.. YES, you are right, I want my competitors to be as fast as mine or even better if they can be faster than me.

So NOW, be it track, drag or road, if you need serious power, and need sources to Sleeved blocks, street to full race CNC ported head, custom rods to custom pistons or even a complete engine build in the USA or Japan, i will share and get these in for you.

And if they are drag or track race competitor, don't worry as all information will be discreet and retain within ourselves.:shades_smile:

 

[hattech-v]

i'll post mine later.... no secret.... hehe

 

[shiroitenshi]

Well, another thing was people are worried that their competitor finds out what power they making and analyzed the power curve to see what effects of parts they have on their car give that kind of power band. Internet is powerful now and even things posted will be view by racers and tuning workshops around MAlaysia. :regular_smile: kinda kiasu mentally hence motorsport and tuning scene are not growing as fast as it should like USA, UK or Australia or Japan.

Thing is.. that's what head porting is for.. to make power above all the mods you made.. but of course, since head porting here is 'probably' lacking.. (prove me wrong on this, I'd love to be, since then I'll know where to get my head ported.. no, not the one on my neck.. or near my crotch area.. :P)

So you're saying that even the more 'engrossed' race teams here are still trying to make power by just parts combinations only.. For me, that should be the realm of enthusiasts lah.. (>.
I'd thought they'd go scientific and play with ignition timing, cc reshaping, porting and polishing.. etc. Advanced theories to play with engine flow, etc.

Damn... (>.<)

 

[udengfahlawi]

is ther actually a situation wher ther's nothin' can be modded anymore?....so that one can say "my car all that can be modded all modded oledi?"...

 

[chris2000]

Thing is.. that's what head porting is for.. to make power above all the mods you made.. but of course, since head porting here is 'probably' lacking.. (prove me wrong on this, I'd love to be, since then I'll know where to get my head ported.. no, not the one on my neck.. or near my crotch area.. :P)

So you're saying that even the more 'engrossed' race teams here are still trying to make power by just parts combinations only.. For me, that should be the realm of enthusiasts lah.. (>.
I'd thought they'd go scientific and play with ignition timing, cc reshaping, porting and polishing.. etc. Advanced theories to play with engine flow, etc.

Damn... (>.quote]

Head porting is to realease all potential making ability of all the parts you have mated to the engine.

Like wise if you use stock ITR extractor with big ported heads with big big cams you will also be restricted due to airflow in the extractor.

Like wise, big ported heads with stock cams, is a waste as your cams are not having enough lift to make the big difference in power.

Its a combination of parts to massage it to work together and hand in hand to make the most power out of that setup so as to not waste too much uncessary money. Easier said then done. haha.. Thats why i have wasted so much money to learn it the hard way..

There are indeed good porters with good experience that use to do porting heads for ATCC engines back in the late 90's. He's job is considered expensive in Malaysia by many cause most general consumer can get a head ported for 1k or less. Thats why this porter no longer bother about selling himself or porting head for road cars and he only do track engine or illegal drag engine customers only.

If you want maximum air flow then its still got to be a head ported in USA and flow benched for CFM.

 

[ace79]

Mine? OEM B16A block oso wanna dyno eh? Wait until next year, this year is only for rebuilding the whole chassis, suspension, brakes and bodywork! Tune and lighten the car 1st, only later on go for power mods.

Anyway, for power mods, I might just go for lightened and balanced engine with B16B internals, and yeah, no power steering too.

ace97, wher's yours?...

 

[ace79]

Tokey Chris, I like the words in bold. Got lobang for local head porting is it? Same shop that does your DC2 track car mehh....I think I know the location of the shop oledi!

I have seen a few examples locally, but most of them don't really measure the work bfr and after, especially the three angle cut which is very essential to get right the 1st time out, unless you like putting plenty of metal putty inside your block's head. And all of them do not know that it is vital to know what you have in your engine ( cams, valves, springs, pistons, rods and crank ) and what are the specs of these parts, for the tuner to port the head accordingly. Say your parts is up to Stage 1 level, but the tuner ported the head up to Stage 3 level ( thinking that the previous car he did, which had Stage 3 level parts inside the engine did explosive power at the dyno after he ported the head ), what happens? In my own terms, overbreathing, eh? Heheheh....

Well, another thing was people are worried that their competitor finds out what power they making and analyzed the power curve to see what effects of parts they have on their car give that kind of power band. Internet is powerful now and even things posted will be view by racers and tuning workshops around MAlaysia. :regular_smile: kinda kiasu mentally hence motorsport and tuning scene are not growing as fast as it should like USA, UK or Australia or Japan.

I had the same feeling too hence never dyno my car before MME or to reveal any specs of the car till recently, when i thought to myself, "what the hell?? I want to sell parts we use on our own car and i have some special custom parts i have resources to and want to share and sell to forumer and my COMPETITORS.. YES, you are right, I want my competitors to be as fast as mine or even better if they can be faster than me.

So NOW, be it track, drag or road, if you need serious power, and need sources to Sleeved blocks, street to full race CNC ported head, custom rods to custom pistons or even a complete engine build in the USA or Japan, i will share and get these in for you.

And if they are drag or track race competitor, don't worry as all information will be discreet and retain within ourselves.:shades_smile:

 

[shiroitenshi]

is ther actually a situation wher ther's nothin' can be modded anymore?....so that one can say "my car all that can be modded all modded oledi?"...

Ask those running FWD in the US.. so many times since they hit lower 10s that it was said that.. sure cannot go already... but now already 7.9....

No such thing as all that can be modded is modded already.... in my opinionlah.. :P

 

[chris2000]

Tokey Chris, I like the words in bold. Got lobang for local head porting is it? Same shop that does your DC2 track car mehh....I think I know the location of the shop oledi!

I have seen a few examples locally, but most of them don't really measure the work bfr and after, especially the three angle cut which is very essential to get right the 1st time out, unless you like putting plenty of metal putty inside your block's head. And all of them do not know that it is vital to know what you have in your engine ( cams, valves, springs, pistons, rods and crank ) and what are the specs of these parts, for the tuner to port the head accordingly. Say your parts is up to Stage 1 level, but the tuner ported the head up to Stage 3 level ( thinking that the previous car he did, which had Stage 3 level parts inside the engine did explosive power at the dyno after he ported the head ), what happens? In my own terms, overbreathing, eh? Heheheh....

I not trying to promote my head porter. Its just Shiro said cannot find good head porter locally. Just wanted to give my head porter some credits, as i have been having my head ported by him since 2004. And at many times those days when i send my Satria Gti to dyno tune, the dyno operator often ask what engine internal or is my cams 290+ duration!! And when i tell them stock OEM block not forge thingy or mild 270 duration cams, they just won't believe! My setup was actually mild just that the head ported just maximize the potential of my setup. Anyone who knows where i port my current head, can go there to look for the old man and ask him to port your honda head.

There is a trend now for POWER hungry guys who wants the best head no one can do here, which has resorted me searching all over to find a USA porter who can do reliable port reshaping, special throat work and special valve jobs to get very impressive flows.

Their semi-race setup is flowing at least 290+CFM with stock Honda valves and this is more than most other porters with oversize valves!!

Their full-race setup, they gurantee at least 320CFM and often when you receive the head, the bence flow charts writes 330+CFM!! This is a full works head and cost a bomb... WISH i could afford one of this in my DC2. haha...

 

[shiroitenshi]

I not trying to promote my head porter. Its just Shiro said cannot find good head porter locally. Just wanted to give my head porter some credits, as i have been having my head ported by him since 2004. And at many times those days when i send my Satria Gti to dyno tune, the dyno operator often ask what engine internal or is my cams 290+ duration!! And when i tell them stock OEM block not forge thingy or mild 270 duration cams, they just won't believe! My setup was actually mild just that the head ported just maximize the potential of my setup. Anyone who knows where i port my current head, can go there to look for the old man and ask him to port your honda head.

There is a trend now for POWER hungry guys who wants the best head no one can do here, which has resorted me searching all over to find a USA porter who can do reliable port reshaping, special throat work and special valve jobs to get very impressive flows.

Their semi-race setup is flowing at least 290+CFM with stock Honda valves and this is more than most other porters with oversize valves!!

Their full-race setup, they gurantee at least 320CFM and often when you receive the head, the bence flow charts writes 330+CFM!! This is a full works head and cost a bomb... WISH i could afford one of this in my DC2. haha...

Give us an idea of a quote.. for the shock factor.

 

[ace79]

Ok, just to reconfirm, same shop where the DC2 is done ke?

I not trying to promote my head porter. Its just Shiro said cannot find good head porter locally. Just wanted to give my head porter some credits, as i have been having my head ported by him since 2004. And at many times those days when i send my Satria Gti to dyno tune, the dyno operator often ask what engine internal or is my cams 290+ duration!! And when i tell them stock OEM block not forge thingy or mild 270 duration cams, they just won't believe! My setup was actually mild just that the head ported just maximize the potential of my setup. Anyone who knows where i port my current head, can go there to look for the old man and ask him to port your honda head.