[WTA] Does a mini turbo really saves fuel?

[speed2horizon]

guys, does that mean a surbo is useless too? thr are many claims that it improves
1. response together with torque
2. fuel consumption
3. helps prolong engine life

but the thing is, i've nvr heard of the surbo is heavily modded cars. do advice thanks

Those are cock... I've on heard it on ads.. None from first hand experience which says it's good... All my friend is using it, quite good. My uncle improves on fuel consumption... All also my who my who... Non say I'm using it... Fuhhh damn 7 good...

I never tried surbo... But my friend tried and he said it is bullshit also...

But... Previously all we thought is that is spins the intake air. But when I visited the surbo website, they said there is a way to activate it. It's not just normal driving. Something like you have to accelerate, then let go, then accelerate again. And it will create boost. But to me, still bullshit because how does that thing boost by creating more restriction in the intake? :stupid:

Anyways, Anyone care to try and report? I am curious too.

When air runs in helical motion, of course there's a certain momentum that the air will create. But, it's not sufficient to produce possitive pressure on the manifold. Lagipon, once it hits the throttle, all momentum ends..

yeah thats what i thought too. i heard that upgrading to a better throttle body together with the aid of a surbo and a fine remap tunning is really satisfying. and also cutting the speed limiter.. dunno how true is this but yet again im really curious.. anyone who knows or have a point of view, do share :)

U'll achieve better satisfaction by doing the 2 above and eliminate the surbo. Frankly, u'll already feel the difference in terms of power n fc by tuning/mapping alone.

Throttle body cannot be simply upgraded. Too big size is worst than small size...

My experience is:

I use to drive a wira 1.3. It was originally carb engine but I converted it into EFI. The power was a little low from what I expect from an EFI. and when you press the throttle harder, there's this fierce and quite nice induction roar. I asked the mechanic why? He said wira EFI got 2 generations. The first generation is the one with a big throttle body, which is the one I got (unfortunately). So when we press the throttle beyond a certain point, it roar sexy like a race engine, because the throttle body is big. But the low end torque really sucked. Really. Feels like it roars but won't move. Then he said the 2nd gen EFI is silent. The throttle body is just right and the response is good.

The reason it because the throttle body is too oversized thus causing the intake air velocity to slow down dramatically at the throttle body. :slug:

There's actually 3 version. MMC with map sensor, MMC with MAF sensor and the VDO. The latest version is of course silent, it's driven by wire.

Large TB is an upgrade in overall performance. Of course it has to come along with right tuned map and proper tps adjustment.

Go look in the 4G15 Proton thread, got 3 psycho fellas mod their intake manifolds and installed twin TBs.. so macam vtec.. two stage acceleration.. hehe..quite cool actually

Nah... It's been there in aus and new Zealand long before here. I don't deny it's cool too. But other than the sound, hp improvement is not as effective as the visual improvement... Just personal experience. Even on 4 throttle 4G9X. But yes in terms of throttle response.

i have to say, the only reason why Surbo is selling in Malaysia is because it damaged quite a number of cars in Singapore, and the so called "Doctor" who created this product has tried to avoid the backlash. Go onto yahoo.com.sg and do a local search, you might still be able to find forummers complaining about it but this was about 7 YEARS AGO, so dunno if still got or not.

In my opinion, also because Malaysian are more innocent and easier to conn...

what about the electronic fan attached to the between the air filter and the air filter pipe? what about this item, pros and cons?

At wide open throttle, I can guaranty u that the air Suction from ur naturally aspirated engine is Much more than what the pc fan can supply. The pc fan will only restrict the air. What it's trying to do is to blow air into the to the manifold at a rated throttle position. More air than required will cause lean combustion. Also, u'll feel lighter on ur wheel. And it'll work negatively as the fan that suppose to produce force air, instead becomes a restriction.

 

[Veloc]

Oh Thanks Speed2Horizon...

Didn't know got 3 generations... Yeah overall it sucked anyways... FC not too remarkable either. But the noise is really good

 

[C99D-MMC5537]

spel'it,Jan 19 2010, 11:10 PM]
just had the mini turbo installed to my 1.3 first gen myvi (MT) at OneUtama.

first impression, noticed slight deduction (around 200-400 RPM) in the RPM while idling and when driving. before mini turbo,
it was 3000 RPM at 100km/h. now it goes 105-110km/h at 3000 RPM.

no results on FC yet but i will pump full tank tomorrow and see how it goes. usually i can get around 400-450km/tank.

thanks,nice meeting you. :)

this is one of the testimonial.. "before install 3000rpm can go 100km/h, after install, same rpm can go 105-110km/h.." please tell me physic behind this.. walauwey this item also can change the gear ratio... hahahahhaa.. surbo also claim the same thing.. damn funny..

 

[speed2horizon]

this is one of the testimonial.. "before install 3000rpm can go 100km/h, after install, same rpm can go 105-110km/h.." please tell me physic behind this.. walauwey this item also can change the gear ratio... hahahahhaa.. surbo also claim the same thing.. damn funny..

Idling part, I could understand... Less air = lower idling. The RPM vs KM/h part, is total TCSS... Hehe...

 

[nikolaiski]

butt dyno la. and +/- 10% doesn't really say anything.

 

[donCityZ]

Wakaka... as expected. After 10 years, this shit comes again. and again. and again.
Fuyo.. save fuel UP TO 35%. Fuyo.

 

[D7zul]

Wakaka... as expected. After 10 years, this shit comes again. and again. and again.
Fuyo.. save fuel UP TO 35%. Fuyo.

Fuyyooo

hehehe

 

[Veloc]

35%? Oh come on... I'm sure it can do more than that?

 

[Izso]

You know.. the funny thing is I offered one of these sellers to dispel the myth and do a non-biased test on 3 different car brands and even offered to sponsor the dyno runs myself.

My only requirement was that the seller give me one of their products for free.

No reply till today.

 

[nikolaiski]

you think they dare ah...already so kiam with the $$$...bleh...today a friend's throttle body jammed because of those "fans" that they stick AFTER the open pod intake broke and almost kena sucked into the manifold..instead it heng heng got stuck in the butterfly and then the throttle couldn't close...can you imagine...

 

[upontheriversky]

my first hand experience on TAB turbo air booster, mini turbo cousin:

i drive a kelisa. yes it indeed gave good first impression when i felt acceleration is faster with it, but takes me less than a week to realize that its only good on lower gears where i supposed a/f is rich on low rpm for stock car so with mini turbo it kinda balance out the ratio a little bit and provide more power

on hills i didn have enough torque, was damn embarassed my car had to rev high to move up hill when traffic light turns green. hailat!!

in general, on high gear i was losing power, how does it saves fuel then? i believe too lean spoils ur engine, prone to overheating

i suppose they should market it under "driver assistant" product, not "performance" product cos it helps on lower gears for ppl like makcik pakcik who dont go over 60km/h. but dont go and claim it as "performance" cos when u say performance, i already thought of apexi, greddy, injen all hahaha

performance is a big word, bad word i'd say, ppl get fooled easily by it :D

i dumped it off and never sold it. better get management to tune a/f :D

by the way, works engineering came up with something like this also, ball bearing air charger. i dont think its any different and if its true, it will be a shame for them.

 

[speed2horizon]

my first hand experience on TAB turbo air booster, mini turbo cousin:

i drive a kelisa. yes it indeed gave good first impression when i felt acceleration is faster with it, but takes me less than a week to realize that its only good on lower gears where i supposed a/f is rich on low rpm for stock car so with mini turbo it kinda balance out the ratio a little bit and provide more power

on hills i didn have enough torque, was damn embarassed my car had to rev high to move up hill when traffic light turns green. hailat!!

in general, on high gear i was losing power, how does it saves fuel then? i believe too lean spoils ur engine, prone to overheating

i suppose they should market it under "driver assistant" product, not "performance" product cos it helps on lower gears for ppl like makcik pakcik who dont go over 60km/h. but dont go and claim it as "performance" cos when u say performance, i already thought of apexi, greddy, injen all hahaha

performance is a big word, bad word i'd say, ppl get fooled easily by it :D

i dumped it off and never sold it. better get management to tune a/f :D

by the way, works engineering came up with something like this also, ball bearing air charger. i dont think its any different and if its true, it will be a shame for them.

Business is all about demand and supply.... especially when chinaman is concern... However, the same circus show won't stop working... Every now and then, they'll be able to attract ppl from buying them.... I have an friend whom was trying to sell me this "magical fan and it saves fuel" product... I was like... =.="' Common dude, u know who I am... Are u trying to insult my intelligent..?

It does help in reacceleration.... Off throttle and refloor... Will realize the response is slightly faster... Simple, that's because the fan has internia and it continues to turn... But when u're driving smooth and initial movement, the air flow is somewhat restricted...

you think they dare ah...already so kiam with the $$$...bleh...today a friend's throttle body jammed because of those "fans" that they stick AFTER the open pod intake broke and almost kena sucked into the manifold..instead it heng heng got stuck in the butterfly and then the throttle couldn't close...can you imagine...

There's another product in the market... The magnetic fuel atomizer.... A friend of mine had a bad experience. After driving for 3 years... One fine morning, he have difficulty to start his car... Went ard check the starter, battery, and all sort of thing... And ended up there are rust clogging within the fuel hose where the magnetic fuel atomizer is located. Took out the hose, blow 9 7 the hose with compressed air, throw 9L the magnet... and everything goes back to normal.... It's been 6 years now.... Nothing happens...

 

[Izso]

Rust in the fuel system? Wah..

 

[speed2horizon]

Rust in the fuel system? Wah..

Our fuel system memang will rust over time. But it keeps flowing and recirculating.... However, when u install the magnetic fuel saver onto the fuel hose, the rust(iron) will stick there. In long duration, more and more rust will stick there and reducing the internal diameter of the hose and finally clog.

 

[Izso]

Interesting. How does the rust 'recirculate'? I thought it's basically pumped from tank---> fuel rail---> injectors? I suppose the rust would clog the injectors?

 

[speed2horizon]

There's no way ur engine is going to consume all the fuel pumped. If it does, there'll be a problem... Lol... Tht's why, u need a fuel return line. I mean for older engines. Newer system doesn't have return line, I'm not sure abt that...

 

[Izso]

Makes sense. But like you said - how about newer engines that don't have the return line?

Anyway - I guess there's pros and cons to this magnet. I'd sure love to get all the rust out of the system. Maybe I can come up with my own super magnet filter device that improves horsepower by 30%, save fuel by 40% and sinkalan-ness 100%

 

[D7zul]

AFAIK,

for an engine to make more power u need :

1. more fuel.. this doesn't mean petrol only.. anything such as Hydrogen, Nitrous oxide, methane, etc can be use as a fuel..

2. more spark.. better spark plug, cable, distributor, coil.. anything that can contribute to more powerful spark..

3. more air.. cool air intake, turbo, supercharger..

anything other than that is not worth it to buy..

Gudluck

 

[speed2horizon]

AFAIK,

for an engine to make more power u need :

1. more fuel.. this doesn't mean petrol only.. anything such as Hydrogen, Nitrous oxide, methane, etc can be use as a fuel..

2. more spark.. better spark plug, cable, distributor, coil.. anything that can contribute to more powerful spark..

3. more air.. cool air intake, turbo, supercharger..

anything other than that is not worth it to buy..

Gudluck

Fuhh.....

 

[YYC]

Business is all about demand and supply.... especially when chinaman is concern... However, the same circus show won't stop working... Every now and then, they'll be able to attract ppl from buying them.... I have an friend whom was trying to sell me this "magical fan and it saves fuel" product... I was like... =.="' Common dude, u know who I am... Are u trying to insult my intelligent..?

It does help in reacceleration.... Off throttle and refloor... Will realize the response is slightly faster... Simple, that's because the fan has internia and it continues to turn... But when u're driving smooth and initial movement, the air flow is somewhat restricted...





There's another product in the market... The magnetic fuel atomizer.... A friend of mine had a bad experience. After driving for 3 years... One fine morning, he have difficulty to start his car... Went ard check the starter, battery, and all sort of thing... And ended up there are rust clogging within the fuel hose where the magnetic fuel atomizer is located. Took out the hose, blow 9 7 the hose with compressed air, throw 9L the magnet... and everything goes back to normal.... It's been 6 years now.... Nothing happens...

You're damn 97hilarious