Moral crusaders turn molesters

[][zoohalee][vtec][]

yeah...by now i hope that police beat them up until they cannot stand....

 

[SataniC]

its like a ticking timebomb....people have got fed up with the issues...which is lately getting fueled by ridiculous people...and sometime...all it need is a little lit match to blow them dynamites...ehhehehehe....so long in the end we understand each other's view...no harm done i guess... :P

 

[astalavista_baby]

Before I proceed, bear in mind that my post is meant as a civilised debating kinda post. That being said, it seems that everyone is blaming MR M for what the country is today. As much as I dislike the way the country is runned today, in a way I am grateful for what some of our leaders have done. No doubt some of MR M's pet projects were a failure but you have got to agree that it was with his pet projects that Malaysia evolved into a developing country.

No doubt, MR M practised the authoritarian policy but look at what happens when that isn't practised? Everyone starts stepping on your head like what they are doing to MR B and who ends up cleaning the mess? MR B himself! Instead of focusing on the development of the country and some other critical issues like the the brutal rapes and murders, he has time left to only focus on puny matters like the nude squat video as it affected international diplomatic ties. Perhaps that explains why he hasn't done much for the past three years?

No doubt I dislike the way the country is runned and this topic included. Police blasting into people's home to perform a "raid"? Right, what prove does the police have that people is "khalwat"ing? I am not even sure if the police even have the rights to arrest people for that. Someone please enlighten me. I thought only the proper authority could do that. To add salt to injury, they even had the balls to grope and fondle the girl on her breast. This isn't even about race. This is about the wrong principles. Nude squats because you suspected the girl was keeping drugs in her private parts, now, fondling of the girls breast because you suspected her for "khalwat" and was keeping drugs in her nipples? Shaving of the head when caught gambling because they hid something in their hair? As much as I respect the authority for cracking down on culprits, the aforementioned cases were just simply absurd.

Enough said. Once again, I am reiterating that this post was meant as a civilised debating kinda post. So, if there are any objections, lets do it in a civilised manner and not with baseless accusations. Cheers everyone and cool down. :)

 

[astalavista_baby]

its like a ticking timebomb....people have got fed up with the issues...which is lately getting fueled by ridiculous people...and sometime...all it need is a little lit match to blow them dynamites...ehhehehehe....so long in the end we understand each other's view...no harm done i guess... :P

Right. Civilised discussion is the way to go. :)

 

[evo3]

humm.... i think most of the problem now is because most of our laws in this country is seriuoly , i mean seriously OUTDATED. Expired!!!! lo..... for example , car modification laws...should change ma... i think everyone in ZTH agree on this... :)

ehhh... why do they wan to waste so much money for:

1) drap the Jalur Gemilang on the Pyramid
2) Doing research so that Malaysian Spaceman can eat Loti Canai and Lurian in space...
3) Drop a Proton Wira onto North Pole....

just my 2 cent ..... cabut!!!!

 

[astalavista_baby]

humm.... i think most of the problem now is because most of our laws in this country is seriuoly , i mean seriously OUTDATED. Expired!!!! lo..... for example , car modification laws...should change ma... i think everyone in ZTH agree on this... :)

ehhh... why do they wan to waste so much money for:

1) drap the Jalur Gemilang on the Pyramid
2) Doing research so that Malaysian Spaceman can eat Loti Canai and Lurian in space...
3) Drop a Proton Wira onto North Pole....

just my 2 cent ..... cabut!!!!

In fact I think there are certain rational guidelines in Malaysia for car modification. It's just that most people do not know about it and go about modifying cars without going through the proper procedures. Sometimes, these illegal modders are not only a nuisance to the public but is also a danger as some of their rides ain't modded properly and might cause accidents. To add to that, the authority isn't doing it's part in informing the public. What's the use of crackdowns on modders when they do not know the legal limits? Tackle the root and everything would be fine. Overseas, quite a number of people modify their rides within legal limits and I don't see any problem with that. In fact I respect them. They have real beautiful rides. :) Of course I am not saying all modders are irresponsible, just some. :)

 

[SataniC]

for a couple to be caught khalwat...they (the moral group) must consist of minimum 4 fully trained and capable men and 1 women...this is to make sure that the case wont be one sided...both gender will see and be witness to what is going on...and they have to really make sure that they are indeed performing indecent act...that is why only fully trained members should be allowed...not some idiot volunteers who's point in joining is for a free show....

 

[koolspyda]

good astalavista_baby has request for calmer discussion.

step outside for ciggie, maybe it will help to put some clarity in thoughts.

Pro: more people are more aware of injustices (via open media, web, mobiles, etc) by authorities hence people (citizens) are concerned.

Con: authorities who are defiant & issues statements like "get out if you can take the heat" or "go ahead, sue use"

if it is not clear as light & day on where we (malaysian) are heading; then we should be gravely concerned.

 

[satria_95]

Zoohalee,
I've got nothing against you, or any other member in this forum or another. I come in peace and not to purposely start some racial slur in here. I remember laughing over some stuff with you in the forum long time ago and it'd be good to maintain that kind of friendship, "forum-ship", "netizen-ship", whatever. And I don't have as much time as you guys to get on the net. Before I even clarify on one statement from one member, another few members comes with a few more posts. I'll say this AGAIN.

I SAY WHAT I SEE. And what I see is the crusaders are malay, and thus, I say malay. Again, I am saying that what I post is my own personal opinion based on, again, what I see. There is hardly anything that is ALL bad or ALL good. Many people, really many, hate proton vehicles but I have also heard of a few who said good stuff about certain batches of their vehicles. Yet again, what I see does not cover all angles so opinions from another point of view would be good feedback.

I've got both good and bad stuff to say about everything(race, nationality, products, opinions, etc.), except those stuff that are only bad like drugs, etc. This is a thread that talks about the "Crusaders" and not a general headline that says, "Malays broke into a house and bash up a couple..... bla bla bla". Don't tell me I've got to put a disclaimer for every single post that relates to sensitive issues?

I've totally got nothing against any specific race, nationality, etc. And as such, my post that may seem "racist" to some, is only applicable to that specific "bad people" in that specific thread, if your kindself would just see it from a another view. I ALWAYS post with peace in my mind but somehow, someone out there will think that I am wrong, and post their own "understanding", thus, making my post sound like it's a racist post.

I stand corrected where I am wrong and I don't mind being corrected in a proper way, not with some statement like, "what's the story with malays?" or "If you don't like this country, then leave". I would usually ignore statements like that and pass of the one who posted that as "one who fights" and not "one who discusses". The one who discuss are those who think more than just doing the actions first.

Instead, correct where I missed something, and have a giggle or laugh about it, and all will be at peace. When peace is in place, unity is in place. When unitiy is in place, slowly, things around us will slowly get better. I can't post long and repeatedly as I've got other stuff to attend to. I hope this clears just about enough for now. It is only right that we leave my justification here and not go further into debating my posts on "M", or "C" or whatever and get back to the thread topic at hand, as this is not my thread.

Peace.

 

[Duke Red]

dude....iam asking people to leave because if they think malaysia is that BAD...then go...go to other country or something...as u can see....i do SAY malaysia might got some PROBLEM....and i clearly say iam not the current gov man.....if u want to make this country better...then start voting....start involving in politics....start stop complaining about national service...start thinking of voting other parties on election.....stop thinking if malaysia have a war (invade) by other country that the first thing u going to do is to fly to other country because u think malaysia going to die straight...

I said this before and I'm going to say it again.

1) What makes you think some of us here are not voting for another goverment?
2) Do you think leaving a country is really simple as it sounds? Do you not think there are factors like having to start over, leaving behind family and friends, etc to consider?
3) Why the hell should I be the one to leave?

 

[Duke Red]

In fact I think there are certain rational guidelines in Malaysia for car modification. It's just that most people do not know about it and go about modifying cars without going through the proper procedures. Sometimes, these illegal modders are not only a nuisance to the public but is also a danger as some of their rides ain't modded properly and might cause accidents. To add to that, the authority isn't doing it's part in informing the public. What's the use of crackdowns on modders when they do not know the legal limits? Tackle the root and everything would be fine. Overseas, quite a number of people modify their rides within legal limits and I don't see any problem with that. In fact I respect them. They have real beautiful rides. :) Of course I am not saying all modders are irresponsible, just some. :)

It's part of a bigger problem. Would you rather listen to a person you respect or a person you don't? They simply don't have our respect. Is that our fault? Well, there is no smoke without fire.

 

[si|verfish]

I said this before and I'm going to say it again.

1) What makes you think some of us here are not voting for another goverment?
2) Do you think leaving a country is really simple as it sounds? Do you not think there are factors like having to start over, leaving behind family and friends, etc to consider?
3) Why the hell should I be the one to leave?

Hehe, I think we've gone through this point countless times.

There appears to be this line of thought whereby the whistleblowers are the ones who should leave and not the troublemakers. Weird but this is Malaysia where anything can and will happen. Malaysia Boleh!

 

[Duke Red]

It's the kind of mentality we were thought to adopt in school. Sit down, shut up and speak only when asked. If you're not happy here, change school. Thankfully I was later thought to think and express my thoughts. Comments like this make it seem as though we are not entitled to our own thoughts.

 

[astalavista_baby]

It's part of a bigger problem. Would you rather listen to a person you respect or a person you don't? They simply don't have our respect. Is that our fault? Well, there is no smoke without fire.

I am not saying we should respect them. What I am saying is, if they were to properly set guidelines and wouldn't make it hard for modders to mod their cars according to the guidelines, I don't see why most people would illegally mod their car. More often than not, the authorities make it sound like modding our cars are illegal when in actually fact, it isn't if done correctly. Hence, people are scared to go to the authorities after modding their rides for fear of the hassles awaiting them.

I do realise they do not have our respect. Indeed, I am also one of those who do not respect them obviously due to the way they operate and also due to their own personal agenda when stopping vehicles, if you know what I mean.

Understand that my post isn't about respect. It is more to having proper guidelines to govern the modding of cars. That way, modders will be happy as they can mod without worries about authority interventions and everyone including the authority would be happy as well. It's a win-win situation. I reckon, if proper guidelines are there and people follow it, then they'd gain the peoples' respect otherwise, they can forget about it.

 

[astalavista_baby]

It's the kind of mentality we were thought to adopt in school. Sit down, shut up and speak only when asked. If you're not happy here, change school. Thankfully I was later thought to think and express my thoughts. Comments like this make it seem as though we are not entitled to our own thoughts.

Right. I second that. Everyone is entitled to their own rights and opinions. I hate it when people give unconstructive criticisms like leave the country if you don't like it. Of course I love my country in a sense and being a citizen, all I am saying is there is still room for improvements and we should be geared towards improvements. Now, that is what I call constructive criticism. I am asking or rather wishing for improvement in certain areas and I am voicing out my opinions. I don't just ask people to leave the country.

 

[Duke Red]

I am not saying we should respect them. What I am saying is, if they were to properly set guidelines and wouldn't make it hard for modders to mod their cars according to the guidelines, I don't see why most people would illegally mod their car. More often than not, the authorities make it sound like modding our cars are illegal when in actually fact, it isn't if done correctly. Hence, people are scared to go to the authorities after modding their rides for fear of the hassles awaiting them.

I do realise they do not have our respect. Indeed, I am also one of those who do not respect them obviously due to the way they operate and also due to their own personal agenda when stopping vehicles, if you know what I mean.

Understand that my post isn't about respect. It is more to having proper guidelines to govern the modding of cars. That way, modders will be happy as they can mod without worries about authority interventions and everyone including the authority would be happy as well. It's a win-win situation. I reckon, if proper guidelines are there and people follow it, then they'd gain the peoples' respect otherwise, they can forget about it.

True, there is inconsistency when it comes to rules. A friend of mine changed his engine and it was approved by JPJ. When he went to Kuantan however, he was caught and his car deemed illegal. He tried to reason that he got it approved by JPJ but the officer in Kuantan said ," KL, KL lah. Sini bukan KL. Sini tempat saya". WTF?

I never meant to imply that you said it's because of lacking respect. I meant to say that even if the rules were clear, we don't respect them enough to want to adhere to them.

 

[astalavista_baby]

True, there is inconsistency when it comes to rules. A friend of mine changed his engine and it was approved by JPJ. When he went to Kuantan however, he was caught and his car deemed illegal. He tried to reason that he got it approved by JPJ but the officer in Kuantan said ," KL, KL lah. Sini bukan KL. Sini tempat saya". WTF?

I never meant to imply that you said it's because of lacking respect. I meant to say that even if the rules were clear, we don't respect them enough to want to adhere to them.

True, it seems that we don't respect them enough. But really, if they were serious about getting things right, I won't even hesitate a second to adhere to the rules so long as they are logical.

As I have mentioned, more often than not, the authorities make it sound like modding our cars are illegal when in actual fact, it isn't if done correctly. Hence, people are scared to go to the authorities after modding their rides for fear of the hassles awaiting them. Perhaps this is the reason people resort to illegal modding?

 

[satria_95]

How come y'all so nice can surf net like whole day long wan ar? hahaha Lucky fellas.

 

[][zoohalee][vtec][]

satria_95

its ok ler...everybody have their own oppinion...i am sorry if i offended u....but in ur previous post i find it a bit disturb...but...i totally get u now...hehhe...

 

[satria_95]

zoohalee,
No worries la. hehehe So long as we don't get way too deep into a battle, then heck with it la. hahaha I'd have to agree with you that my posts sounds disturbing because even I myself feels it too but even I have some bad stuff to say about myself. hehehe Just that on the net, it feels more "free" to speak openly than in mamak or whatever so just feel free lor. hehehe :)