IT or design?..

[sonictheory]

Originally posted by Mivec+Mar 23 2005, 09:30 -->
QUOTE(Mivec @ Mar 23 2005, 09:30 )
How bout Networking and Server stuffs? I think every big company need this post?
and pay also quite high :) ;)

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Originally posted by slk850@Mar 23 2005, 10:07

Originally posted by Mivec@Mar 23 2005, 09:30
How bout Networking and Server stuffs? I think every big company need this post?
and pay also quite high :) ;)

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If u got Degree Holder of Networking & Server Stuffs, good pay and easy job functions. Compare with designers & programmers.

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what sort of jobs does a networking and server stuff do?...

Originally posted by Crashvenom@Mar 23 2005, 10:09
Forget about programmer or network engineer. You get bored and felt stupid after a year of working and you will realize almost everybody working in a same field as you. Pick up a stone and throw it out u will hit someone with IT background.

I'll say go for design, especially in KL.. Ads agency hiring quality designer with a bteer price becos its not easy to find a good one and the market demand for designing is high. But design need inborn creativity so you might wanna consider it first. And normally we look for a graduate from Wanganui.. LKW is ok..

Designer work with style, creativity and a keep changing lifestyle. You will enjoy it other than working as a programmer or engineer sitting around in office staring at a computer looking at code or stay in a factory patching this and that.
You wont be much of a value to your boss becos IT/programmer/network engineer are everywhere.

I posted a programmer vacancy 3 months ago on jobstreet and guess what! i received more than 1000 applications within a week...

Also, another good point is designer tend to work more with chick, know more people, more socialize and attitude.... enough said.!!
:)

Still you need to think and see which is suitable for you.. all the post here can just be an advice from their experience.. dont go 100%..!! Its your life .. its your call!

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yes, i prefer design more than IT, although both are my i interest, but i'm worrying about those salary?...how long a designer work u can work as? what about if u getting old, is there someone would like to hire u anymore?...and how much can it get paid per month?...how many job u can accept with in a week and how many job can u done in it?...this sorta of question pops out everytimes i deciding on design...aih...i do feel so, design is also everywhere on the street...thats lot of question to solve...

Originally posted by Mivec@Mar 23 2005, 11:49
Design and IT is a very low pay job if you got one :(

you see now how many student study in this course? got MMU, LKW, The ONe, PJ College and more...can you imagine how many company looking for Designers?

And you want to look for a job also quite susah because of bulk students coming
out one time!!!! not only you :) I also don't how to say...but when the time comes
you will know what I trying to say here :) :) good luck dude :)

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yeah im worrying about this thing also, did went for counselling, she said job are everywhere...but wat about pays? i dun dare to guarantee it...but beside that, i know nothing anymore...dun have special ability...nothing...aih...which job could actually pay high, and drive BMW series7 and own big house? probably only those big big company? or the company which continued by their son... :(

Originally posted by X88@Mar 23 2005, 12:13
y dont u do a combination?

Computer Aided Design(CAD)

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CAD? what sort of thing is it? any college offering this? will try to do research about this course, dun mind to provide more infomation about this?


--QuoteBegin-moruh@Mar 23 2005, 13:08
well, i suggest u sumthin how to earn lot of money/BPJ...u want to be designer+u like to use computer.. so u can do design using computer, u will have a bright future if:
a) be an architect/ interior designer
- yup, theres lot architect/id up there but they mostly lack of skill, skill using computer eg: 3d studio, CAD/Revit.... to market their firm up to international
B) be an automotif engineer
c) profesional animation or illustrator
- i heard from my friend who doing this job being paid up to 20k permonth,he just a one man show, as a self employed

also u hav to be creative using computer. just an opinion

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been interested on interior architecture and design course which offered by KBU...but look at the demand on malaysia, which is none...
somemore heard a lot of negative comment about this job...

some aunty says, it's girlie job, most ppl will ask girl to do this job, coz they tend to be more detail....not like guy is more rough (kasar hati)...

my mom's taiwan fren say, this kind of job alot of ppl can buy magazine and get inspiration, then cincai ask one contractor can do for them edy, more cheap...

then went for counselling, the counsellor say, interior design just go for look, but nothing...after all they just want their building look nice..and no more...

i dunno lah, but a more better interior design also could attract more customer what? more comfortable to live in what...sigh...really alot alot of question pops up lah on my mind...thats why i cant find my direction...

 

[Scorceror]

Originally posted by Crashvenom@Mar 23 2005, 10:09
Forget about programmer or network engineer. You get bored and felt stupid after a year of working and you will realize almost everybody working in a same field as you. Pick up a stone and throw it out u will hit someone with IT background.

I'll say go for design, especially in KL.. Ads agency hiring quality designer with a bteer price becos its not easy to find a good one and the market demand for designing is high. But design need inborn creativity so you might wanna consider it first. And normally we look for a graduate from Wanganui.. LKW is ok..

Designer work with style, creativity and a keep changing lifestyle. You will enjoy it other than working as a programmer or engineer sitting around in office staring at a computer looking at code or stay in a factory patching this and that.
You wont be much of a value to your boss becos IT/programmer/network engineer are everywhere.

I posted a programmer vacancy 3 months ago on jobstreet and guess what! i received more than 1000 applications within a week...

Also, another good point is designer tend to work more with chick, know more people, more socialize and attitude.... enough said.!!
:)

Still you need to think and see which is suitable for you.. all the post here can just be an advice from their experience.. dont go 100%..!! Its your life .. its your call!

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Bro crashVenom,

your company hiring programmers now ah? Myself programmer also, been working as one for more that one year. Let me know ok. Worked on Java based web app.

 

[jinkl]

wah finally now my post..

ok here's my story..
I am just 20 but hope i have the rights to give out some advice..
I am a IT student.
My whole family are all based on Medicine , either Docs Or Pharmacist.
I objected to take over the family business.
I was ignored a few months by my dad and my relatives.
All they though was , i was a fool.
I sat infront of the computer since i was in Form 2, it was rather late actually.
But I did not attend computer classes , but I learned alot of things by myself.
By the time i reached Form 5 , it was already in my head that Its must for me to do IT or Multimedia, I felt in love with the Computer World , from hacking , XXX , photoshop , webdesigning. I really was discovering the world i dint know , Linux , Unix , Network , but i was a very lazy programmer, a very active mate in IRC not for chatting but to access other mates computers.

After Form 5, i went to a local University , took the application form ,
Applied for IT and got it. I was one of the last among my friends to get my application confirmed. How to enter university without money ? Its private Uni ... Money plays... Dad wasnt supporting me anymore , lucky my mom helped just 1750 for my registration. And just after that i applied for government loan , with my father pay , do you think i can get a Loan for my studies ? Of course nop , so i had to fake some stuff to get in. Got my Loan , currently i am studying with my Loan and no support by anyone.

Ops talking bout my story.. what i wanted to say is that..
You do what you want , you do not follow what everyone else is doing,
follow your passion and your interest.

IT is not an easy go in and go out course. I am studying a degree program ,
I am a third year student , a year more to be a degree graduate. I am majoring in Software Engineering. IT is not the whole thing what you think , its not only programming , remember it doesnt stop there .. there are maths , there are networkings , artifical engineerings , probability , algorithms. Its alot of thing you got to learn. As an IT guy , u cant stop where u learned , u have to keep on learning new things to update yourself with the technology.
According to friends employer , they are hunting for IT workers , yah there are TOO many IT workers , but all know shit , do shit and are not up to their requirement. As an example , you learned C++ in uni , but in the working area they want .NET programmers , are you ready to learn up something in a few weeks and go for the job , or are you gonna be like everyone , sitting and waiting for job offers which are requiring low level and low skilled programmers ? of cos la too many people apply for the the job and all say TOO MANY IT workers , its just becos they all go for the same requirement job. One my friends , can say my GURU , he knows nearly all the languages that a company needs , he won the genting programming competition and now where is he ? in Finland to develop the new generation Linux. His previos job opening is still open and still NONE turned for the JOB interview and more to say no qualified guys came through the interview. All i got to say , u want IT u can do , but make sure equip yourself well , must be prepared for new languages and new technologies. Work wise ? u got the skills , u get ur work :)

Design , i was very much into designing till today..
I am a IT student , but then Illustrator , Dreamweaver , Fireworks , Photoshop , 3D Max Studio , Lightwave , Swift 3d , Adobe premier , video editing , audio editing , graphic manipulations , these are things i learned myself. Designing is more to your skills and art. You can teach a guy 1000+ to use photoshop , but can he soup up a picture if he doesnt know what to do .. although he knows how to do them .. its your passion that makes your work in Designing field show up. Not everyone has the skills , some has the skills but they do not discover it till they learn them up. Designing field doesn move fast like the IT field. Just say you use program like lightwave to do 3d stuff. Most to most the next version will have additional features. Unlike programming , the new languages would have new syntax , new formats , new styles , new headers and all.

what i can is .. follow ur heart and brain .. do what you like and do something where you will love your job ok. Its not worth wasting doing something you wouldnt like , because u will basicly suck at it. If u say programming job offers are less , and u want to take Designing job .. but u suck at designing , can get job ? while u like programming and good at it .. nobody wants u ka ? ..
make sure do something u r interested in .. :)

 

[slk850]

what sort of jobs does a networking and server stuff do?...

Example : IT Officer - Myself [Paging Company].

B)

 

[NOSkill]

There's no perfect job in the world. So many ppl mentioned how IT sucks, so I wouldn't do it here.

I have a few friends fall in designer category. They're fashion designer, multimedia (animation and art), interior designer, and advertisment designer.

1.) fashion designer - not as cool as you think. She works as a QC in a factory which makes uniforms. Has she designed anything?? No, factory uniforms are pretty dull.

2.) Multimedia - Pretty hard to get a permanant job if you're not bumiputra. He's a very gifted in character designing. But he now rely ONLY on projects....Has been a freelance for 5 years....

3.) Interior - This is better since he can go out for most of the time instead of sitting in office.

4.) Advertising - the worst career if you have professional quallification. There're always ppl who have no certificate can sell better and cheaper ideas, products. The rate of the product is based on the taste of your boss.

The best job?? Work in your dad's business as the mini boss.

 

[slk850]

And sometimes, wat major subject you study...it doesn't promised you'll be success in that line. ;)

 

[acbc]

Stay away from IT unless you got offers from MNCs (Dell, Intel, IBM and etc)...

I have worked in the IT line for 5 years and what do I get in return? Nothing... except stress n fatigue due to working late with super low pay and need to standby on weekends. Basically, no life.

Over the years, I have met many friends or people who left IT to pursue something of non-IT... construction, media designs or any brick and mortar business (that don't require IT knowledge at all) and they are doing damn well (earning 2X - 5X more!). :o

An example is my insurance agent... he worked for Compaq (before the merger) for nearly 10 years with stinking pay of RM 3k doing end user support. Imagine this... 10 years! :o

Around 2002, he left the IT world and started selling insurance (all his friends laughed at him because selling insurance alone won't take you anywhere and it is too common). Boy, they were wrong. Dead wrong! In 10 months, he earned more than 8k per month (2X - 4X more than us) and now he can laugh at his friends back.

The story? It is never too old to try something new.

IT is not everything especially in Malaysia where the market is too damn small. It is like stuffing 1000 gold fishes into a small aquarium.

 

[Crashvenom]

yes, i prefer design more than IT, although both are my i interest, but i'm worrying about those salary?...how long a designer work u can work as? what about if u getting old, is there someone would like to hire u anymore?...and how much can it get paid per month?...how many job u can accept with in a week and how many job can u done in it?...this sorta of question pops out everytimes i deciding on design...aih...i do feel so, design is also everywhere on the street...thats lot of question to solve...

First of all, my designer cost 5,500.00 per month before the raising it to 5,800.00
to his latest salary. Now it make you think. My cheapest designer cost 2,800.00 per months. So think again..!!

You dont stay as a designer all your life, you started to know people and etc.. invest a new ads agency, or some become LKW lecturer. Still earning pretty good.

Secondly, its a lot of pressure.. when a company gets lotsa projects.. you head will be blown apart. Lots of scolding *if you lack of creativity*. Work late.. dont expect rom dinner with your gf everynite. You might need to accept cup noodle sometimes. But that tell you that your company is getting project. Otherwise it wont benefit you as well.

Designer is a lot on the street, but trust me. To find a good one.. is a lot harder than getting on a O.N.S.

But you really need creativity inside you.. otherwise might wanna consider other job. Another thing.. not an easy thing to get hired by good agency. It's tough but if you get a good one. you'll find interest and fun in it, not to mention the paid you'll be getting. Another important to mention, what im saying here is pro adver agency not PRINTING COMPANY design. Same goes to Fashion Designer, not some QC factory inspector. Sometimes it happen, you think you are on the right field but you are not!

Ever drive on the street and wondering what is those adver board means and etc..?
A good one can really tell you the meaning inside and why is that color is used and etc. Design is not about good drawing. Its to brainstorm something new and meaningful. Even on web design, you need to explain to a clients.. y u use border/why use table? y use this/that? y logo on center/right/left? y here and there. It gonna blown the hell of your mind.


Scorceror bro,
sorry, no more available. Closed!
I did a job posting here before i go jobstreet, but not very successful.

 

[jinkl]

yah lorr.. most of u all very true also..
IT line kinda susah :(
hard work , day and night
but its luck also la which company u ended to
how u get promoted if u ever will
and how good u r in it..

looks like lot of zth member IT line :)

 

[acbc]

Originally posted by jinkl@Mar 23 2005, 17:47
yah lorr.. most of u all very true also..
IT line kinda susah :(
hard work , day and night
but its luck also la which company u ended to
how u get promoted if u ever will
and how good u r in it..

looks like lot of zth member IT line :)

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Of course la... otherwise how to find this forum in the 1st place? :P

 

[rubbishking01]

:D emm...sonictheory bro..in fact i will suggest u go for design line, cos my self also a designer.. :P i m graduate from product design...u can find my design shoe rack, diskette box and the expandable rack from this following add, www.ornapaper.com but no matter how.. u will be proud when somebody is using ur products or design. i can admitted in design field thats a big coverage which is not just only focusing multimedia design.. in fact, every business u go thru all will related wit design..a.k.a.. advertising, graphic, interior, product, multimedia... etc. beside, wat i can share with u is although there is a lot of design graduate student, but wat the employer looking is ur portfolio....i can tell u la, if u dun wan tie up wit 9-5 based job, u can become as a feelancer..... more flexiblity on time... :ph34r: anyway, u can mail me for advice., i m a consellor for those art n design programe.

hope my message can help u la...

 

[alvinpck]

sonictheory,

since u got two choices of it n design, y not take both...

..web designing?

 

[sonictheory]

Originally posted by jinkl+Mar 23 2005, 16:31 -->
QUOTE(jinkl @ Mar 23 2005, 16:31 )
wah finally now my post..

ok here's my story..
I am just 20 but hope i have the rights to give out some advice..
I am a IT student.
My whole family are all based on Medicine , either Docs Or Pharmacist.
I objected to take over the family business.
I was ignored a few months by my dad and my relatives.
All they though was , i was a fool.
I sat infront of the computer since i was in Form 2, it was rather late actually.
But I did not attend computer classes , but I learned alot of things by myself.
By the time i reached Form 5 , it was already in my head that Its must for me to do IT or Multimedia, I felt in love with the Computer World , from hacking , XXX , photoshop , webdesigning. I really was discovering the world i dint know , Linux , Unix , Network , but i was a very lazy programmer, a very active mate in IRC not for chatting but to access other mates computers.

After Form 5, i went to a local University , took the application form ,
Applied for IT and got it. I was one of the last among my friends to get my application confirmed. How to enter university without money ? Its private Uni ... Money plays... Dad wasnt supporting me anymore , lucky my mom helped just 1750 for my registration. And just after that i applied for government loan , with my father pay , do you think i can get a Loan for my studies ? Of course nop , so i had to fake some stuff to get in. Got my Loan , currently i am studying with my Loan and no support by anyone.

Ops talking bout my story.. what i wanted to say is that..
You do what you want , you do not follow what everyone else is doing,
follow your passion and your interest.

IT is not an easy go in and go out course. I am studying a degree program ,
I am a third year student , a year more to be a degree graduate. I am majoring in Software Engineering. IT is not the whole thing what you think , its not only programming , remember it doesnt stop there .. there are maths , there are networkings , artifical engineerings , probability , algorithms. Its alot of thing you got to learn. As an IT guy , u cant stop where u learned , u have to keep on learning new things to update yourself with the technology.
According to friends employer , they are hunting for IT workers , yah there are TOO many IT workers , but all know shit , do shit and are not up to their requirement. As an example , you learned C++ in uni , but in the working area they want .NET programmers , are you ready to learn up something in a few weeks and go for the job , or are you gonna be like everyone , sitting and waiting for job offers which are requiring low level and low skilled programmers ? of cos la too many people apply for the the job and all say TOO MANY IT workers , its just becos they all go for the same requirement job. One my friends , can say my GURU , he knows nearly all the languages that a company needs , he won the genting programming competition and now where is he ? in Finland to develop the new generation Linux. His previos job opening is still open and still NONE turned for the JOB interview and more to say no qualified guys came through the interview. All i got to say , u want IT u can do , but make sure equip yourself well , must be prepared for new languages and new technologies. Work wise ? u got the skills , u get ur work :)

Design , i was very much into designing till today..
I am a IT student , but then Illustrator , Dreamweaver , Fireworks , Photoshop , 3D Max Studio , Lightwave , Swift 3d , Adobe premier , video editing , audio editing , graphic manipulations , these are things i learned myself. Designing is more to your skills and art. You can teach a guy 1000+ to use photoshop , but can he soup up a picture if he doesnt know what to do .. although he knows how to do them .. its your passion that makes your work in Designing field show up. Not everyone has the skills , some has the skills but they do not discover it till they learn them up. Designing field doesn move fast like the IT field. Just say you use program like lightwave to do 3d stuff. Most to most the next version will have additional features. Unlike programming , the new languages would have new syntax , new formats , new styles , new headers and all.

what i can is .. follow ur heart and brain .. do what you like and do something where you will love your job ok. Its not worth wasting doing something you wouldnt like , because u will basicly suck at it. If u say programming job offers are less , and u want to take Designing job .. but u suck at designing , can get job ? while u like programming and good at it .. nobody wants u ka ? ..
make sure do something u r interested in .. :)

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--QuoteBegin-Crashvenom@Mar 23 2005, 17:37

yes, i prefer design more than IT, although both are my i interest, but i'm worrying about those salary?...how long a designer work u can work as? what about if u getting old, is there someone would like to hire u anymore?...and how much can it get paid per month?...how many job u can accept with in a week and how many job can u done in it?...this sorta of question pops out everytimes i deciding on design...aih...i do feel so, design is also everywhere on the street...thats lot of question to solve...

First of all, my designer cost 5,500.00 per month before the raising it to 5,800.00
to his latest salary. Now it make you think. My cheapest designer cost 2,800.00 per months. So think again..!!

You dont stay as a designer all your life, you started to know people and etc.. invest a new ads agency, or some become LKW lecturer. Still earning pretty good.

Secondly, its a lot of pressure.. when a company gets lotsa projects.. you head will be blown apart. Lots of scolding *if you lack of creativity*. Work late.. dont expect rom dinner with your gf everynite. You might need to accept cup noodle sometimes. But that tell you that your company is getting project. Otherwise it wont benefit you as well.

Designer is a lot on the street, but trust me. To find a good one.. is a lot harder than getting on a O.N.S.

But you really need creativity inside you.. otherwise might wanna consider other job. Another thing.. not an easy thing to get hired by good agency. It's tough but if you get a good one. you'll find interest and fun in it, not to mention the paid you'll be getting. Another important to mention, what im saying here is pro adver agency not PRINTING COMPANY design. Same goes to Fashion Designer, not some QC factory inspector. Sometimes it happen, you think you are on the right field but you are not!

Ever drive on the street and wondering what is those adver board means and etc..?
A good one can really tell you the meaning inside and why is that color is used and etc. Design is not about good drawing. Its to brainstorm something new and meaningful. Even on web design, you need to explain to a clients.. y u use border/why use table? y use this/that? y logo on center/right/left? y here and there. It gonna blown the hell of your mind.


Scorceror bro,
sorry, no more available. Closed!
I did a job posting here before i go jobstreet, but not very successful.

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if between IT and design, i guess IT pays more rite?...last time i hear my aunt said that she got a fren doing IT one, she say that he work in a company with the salary atleast 6k per month, then sometimes got client from oversea dunno ask him design wat lah she told me, but i guess probably is programming gua...one time back can earn 10k+++....but design is more to my style i guess...coz i like something that is not dull...while i scare i'm not creative enuff to cope with it..how to know if someone is really creative enuf?

btw, crashvenom, what company is urs ar?...is a design company or a product company, or even computer line company?

 

[ZephyRed]

all jobs has itz prospect, it all depends on yourself to create the opportunity and success.

You should not ask who has ppl done, u should ask yourself what is your strong skills... and what you want in life.

good luck...

my advice, get a degree... then if no job, then help your mom, and if your business not going well, at least u got your degree to fall back.

;)

Originally posted by sonictheory@Mar 23 2005, 03:30
guys, am on the way to choose my direction on which way should i go which is kinda hard for me to make a decision...so hope all of u guys taiko which has already walked thru the route direct me.. so that i will not waste much of my time and money which i found out later i've chosen a wrong way...i know alwiz ppl will say, it's up to ur interest..but nowadays, a degree holder is everywhere at the street...

my father suggest me not to further up my studies but continues my mom's buiness...coz he say, after u got ur diploma or degree, in the end the point of u study also becoz of wanna go out for work, earn money only...i find it got it's point for this... but what if after few years continuing my mom's business, i find it bored, and i dun even have a diploma or wat, what job can i do?...aih feel complicated lah this...

and second question, i'm more into IT, can sit a day without rest infront of computer...got a few skill for design lah, but not really expert la, coz only self teaching nia... so nowadays which one is more having job prospect?... i hear IT (ie programmer) now is a no no for the job prospect rite now, coz everyone is fighting for job now...design a lot, but how much can it earn?...i dunno...maybe few of u guys which in design field know it...

so u guys feel if it worth to spend around 80k for a degree course?...

so guys, give me ur opinion plz...i have no direction now...guide me.. :(

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[Crashvenom]

btw, crashvenom, what company is urs ar?...is a design company or a product company, or even computer line company?

Ads & multimedia Design.

 

[sonictheory]

Originally posted by ZephyRed+Mar 25 2005, 09:30 -->
QUOTE(ZephyRed @ Mar 25 2005, 09:30 )
all jobs has itz prospect, it all depends on yourself to create the opportunity and success.

You should not ask who has ppl done, u should ask yourself what is your strong skills... and what you want in life.

good luck...

my advice, get a degree... then if no job, then help your mom, and if your business not going well, at least u got your degree to fall back.

;)

Originally posted by sonictheory@Mar 23 2005, 03:30
guys, am on the way to choose my direction on which way should i go which is kinda hard for me to make a decision...so hope all of u guys taiko which has already walked thru the route direct me.. so that i will not waste much of my time and money which i found out later i've chosen a wrong way...i know alwiz ppl will say, it's up to ur interest..but nowadays, a degree holder is everywhere at the street...

my father suggest me not to further up my studies but continues my mom's buiness...coz he say, after u got ur diploma or degree, in the end the point of u study also becoz of wanna go out for work, earn money only...i find it got it's point for this... but what if after few years continuing my mom's business, i find it bored, and i dun even have a diploma or wat, what job can i do?...aih feel complicated lah this...

and second question, i'm more into IT, can sit a day without rest infront of computer...got a few skill for design lah, but not really expert la, coz only self teaching nia... so nowadays which one is more having job prospect?... i hear IT (ie programmer) now is a no no for the job prospect rite now, coz everyone is fighting for job now...design a lot, but how much can it earn?...i dunno...maybe few of u guys which in design field know it...

so u guys feel if it worth to spend around 80k for a degree course?...

so guys, give me ur opinion plz...i have no direction now...guide me.. :(

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so do u think it's worth ar to spend around 80k for a design degree course?..i find it it's too much....aih


--QuoteBegin-Crashvenom@Mar 25 2005, 15:48

btw, crashvenom, what company is urs ar?...is a design company or a product company, or even computer line company?

Ads & multimedia Design.

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so average how much project did ur company receive one month?