Guess my fren's HP figures

Jun..

looking back at ur frens spec....i'd say he'll prob nett 200-240 ATW....i've run a similar setup like his before...but not using AFC...using a piggy back...only managed to get 200 on all-4 wheels... :lol:

;)
 
sdf, tdo5-20g only 200-240 atw? I thought stock vr4 already close to 200 atw?

like that... a bit malu to go dyno already, afterwards only 100 atw...hehehh
 
dan..

heheh...bout there only...engine makers rate PS on fly...not on wheel... ;)
 
what if i run on this setup , you guess how many hp i`ll be making ? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross1.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross2.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross4.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross5.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross6.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross7.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross8.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross9.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/ross10.jpg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/shortrunner.jpeg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/crower.jpeg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/fuelpump.jpeg

http://www.fivio.com/vestax/vr4/kit.jpeg

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by f8.@Jul 21 2004, 01:46 AM
this is my own theory, so it is probably wrong. but i am a believer of small ports for higher flow velocities. i suspect the reason mitsubishi reduced the sizes of the port for evo commpared to vr4 is that it was too big to begin with.

we always think the bigger the better but i personally feel a smaller port with higher flow velocities encourage more momentum energy in the intake charge to enable you to cram more air in over a shorter period of time.

so with the evo3 head, just leave it as it is. port and polishing gives you the most gain on old american v8s where their castings are so poor and unfinished anyway. japanese heads are quite well finished and so the gain, if any is minimal. and besides, some roughness on the port walls, if it encourages a more homogenous mix of air and fuel by tumbling, would encourage a higher flame speed and more thorough combustion.

you see, when people do port polishing properly, they use a flow bench to verify the gains. to me, the problem with a flow bench is that it only gives you the results for steady flow. ie you just apply a constant pressure of air through the head for a given valve opening and measure the volume flow.

the air flow in a real engine is hardly steady. the valves are opening and closing all the time. instead of measuring how much air is flowing in by volume, i think a more useful metric is the velocity of the air that goes in. of course this doesn't mean the smaller the ports the better. there is a compromise between flow velocity and volume rate. and i think the manufacturers got it pretty spot on when they designed it. so don't mess with it unless you really know what you are doing.

but if you have already ported and polished it, then of course it is much better hehehe. ;)

just my 2p!
ermm.. smaller ports, u get higher air flow velocity but end of the day, you still lose out in volumetric efficiency. think 1.5" exhaust piping vs 2.5" exhaust piping. exagerated since the port size difference cannot be that big. but the turbine is capable of pushing while compressing much more air into the ports. despite higher air flow velocities, smaller ports will not give you much more compressed air but just restrict the volumetric flowrate.

still, you are right about the rough walls. helps keep the air fuel mixture atomized for quicker and more efficient combustion. tho that's only significant in the combustion chamber. end of the day, port n polish is more suited for NA applications that run higher compression than forced induction. smoother combustion chambers will eliminate sharp points and edges that because heat spots that causes detonation/knocking.
 
Vestax.. any idea what is the walbro fuel pump kit model code ?
4WD or 2WD kit ?

Thanks
 
Originally posted by Danny@Jul 21 2004, 10:42 AM
sdf, tdo5-20g only 200-240 atw? I thought stock vr4 already close to 200 atw?

like that... a bit malu to go dyno already, afterwards only 100 atw...hehehh
danny,

4wd has drivetrain losses...especially older models....so with 200 to 240hp...ok lar...and lori balak heavy also....
 
but i agree with cmng......definetly very very far away from black galant monsta!!!!
best thing is to sell and buy black monsta....!!!!
 
buy my car?? chaiks....my car slow baii.....best buy galant monsta la...later can get free treats at D' Boss courtesy of melvin taikor....:)
 
Originally posted by coldfish@Jul 21 2004, 11:52 AM
ermm.. smaller ports, u get higher air flow velocity but end of the day, you still lose out in volumetric efficiency. think 1.5" exhaust piping vs 2.5" exhaust piping. exagerated since the port size difference cannot be that big. but the turbine is capable of pushing while compressing much more air into the ports. despite higher air flow velocities, smaller ports will not give you much more compressed air but just restrict the volumetric flowrate.
Err...I thought V/E decreases with port size increament? :huh: hence the larger the ports you run, the lower the V/E drops.
 
Originally posted by f8.@Jul 21 2004, 01:46 AM
this is my own theory, so it is probably wrong. but i am a believer of small ports for higher flow velocities. i suspect the reason mitsubishi reduced the sizes of the port for evo commpared to vr4 is that it was too big to begin with.

we always think the bigger the better but i personally feel a smaller port with higher flow velocities encourage more momentum energy in the intake charge to enable you to cram more air in over a shorter period of time.

so with the evo3 head, just leave it as it is. port and polishing gives you the most gain on old american v8s where their castings are so poor and unfinished anyway. japanese heads are quite well finished and so the gain, if any is minimal. and besides, some roughness on the port walls, if it encourages a more homogenous mix of air and fuel by tumbling, would encourage a higher flame speed and more thorough combustion.

you see, when people do port polishing properly, they use a flow bench to verify the gains. to me, the problem with a flow bench is that it only gives you the results for steady flow. ie you just apply a constant pressure of air through the head for a given valve opening and measure the volume flow.

the air flow in a real engine is hardly steady. the valves are opening and closing all the time. instead of measuring how much air is flowing in by volume, i think a more useful metric is the velocity of the air that goes in. of course this doesn't mean the smaller the ports the better. there is a compromise between flow velocity and volume rate. and i think the manufacturers got it pretty spot on when they designed it. so don't mess with it unless you really know what you are doing.

but if you have already ported and polished it, then of course it is much better hehehe. ;)

just my 2p!
Question

Lets say port size = x
Boost Pressure = y

Cam, intake manifold, intercooler = non variable (hence not in equation)

z = time

For simplicity sake, lets say

The amount of air flowed = xyz

Hence, if the ports r double in size,

won't it equal to 2xyz

n therefore, mean the bigger the port, more air can flow over a period of time?

noobie
 
Originally posted by sum-dum-fuk@Jul 21 2004, 08:54 AM
Jun..

looking back at ur frens spec....i'd say he'll prob nett 200-240 ATW....i've run a similar setup like his before...but not using AFC...using a piggy back...only managed to get 200 on all-4 wheels... :lol:

;)
4wd? transmission losses est 30%?

so engine it be around 260HP???
 
I'm wondering more on how much petrol this monster gonna guzzle...<_<
 
jun 9970,
amount of air through bigger oppening will of course be higher, what f8 is saying is the VELOCITY of the air is higher through a smaller opening
 
hmmm... talking bout the gb, izzit the VR4,VR4RS and evo 1,2,3 ratio is the same?
most of the VR4 or 4G63T owner in thailand used the VR4 AMG 2WD gb, does it really got such type AMG gb or engine? :rolleyes:

as for my evo3 head, i korek kau kau already! hehehe... :D
 
i`ve read it some where stating that the Galant AMG are for non turbo cars , and the AMG has notting to do with engines components , it does the interior , rims , spoilers , plug cover . just read it some where but im not sure myself .

well the vr4 240 is not the actual rs version , only malaysian call it rs version , the only way to tell its , rs version it comes with the chasis stating e38a , where else e39a is the normal gsr 240hp version . what i read the rs comes with a close ratio gearbox . that apply to the evo rs , those evo gsr is using the normal gb i assume
 

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