Myvi 1.5 rim change suggestion

[aranny2001]

guys, im thinking of changing the rim for my 1.5 myvi... current stock rim 14" seem bit small... im targeting to make my car front 2 finger gap, rear 3 finger gap... but before i decided to change the rim, i think it's better for me to change to a lowering spring, eibach... by using eibach, which size of rim should i put to make my ideal finger gap between the tire and fender? is 195/50/R16 gonna make huge changes in fc and acceleration? i wish the new rim gonna make it look flush from the fender and the wheel side... :hmmmm:

 

[cfa]

Do you mean 195/50/R15 cos 195/50/R16 the choices of tyres are very very limited.

 

[aranny2001]

Do you mean 195/50/R15 cos 195/50/R16 the choices of tyres are very very limited.

no, i mean 195/50/R16.. cause thought of 195 surface contact not wide as 205 thus will not affect much on the FC :hmmmm: it is R16 really make huge fc different from stock? what if the R16 rim got almost same weight as the stock R14 rim, will it still affect the fc? thx

 

[cfa]

Your original size should be 175/65/14. Hence, when you upsize, the ideal sizes are as follows:

185/55/15 - diameter difference is 0.27% bigger

Some ppl say that 185 does not give enough control, hence, they prefer wider tyre. Hence, the upsizes are:

195/55/15 - diameter difference is 2.1% bigger
195/50/15 - diameter difference is 1.23% smaller

With 55 series, you get more comfort but 50 series gives you even more precise steering control and feedback but ride will be bumpy. Both these tyre choices are plenty, esp for performance series like Michelin PS3, Goodyear GD5, Hankook V12, etc

Now, your choice of 195/50/16 means that the diameter is 3.05% bigger and most websites will advice to keep to the 3% rule. Also, there are not many choices of tyres available and also, 50 series may be a bit bumpy compared to your current 65 series and using 16' rims will definitely increase your FC due to heavier rims, unless you use light weight rims which may cost a bomb.

My personal suggestion is the 185/55/15 as you can get performance tyre like Michelin PS3 but of course 195/55/15 means a wider selection. Lets wait for the Master VR to add on.

 

[aranny2001]

Your original size should be 175/65/14. Hence, when you upsize, the ideal sizes are as follows:

185/55/15 - diameter difference is 0.27% bigger

Some ppl say that 185 does not give enough control, hence, they prefer wider tyre. Hence, the upsizes are:

195/55/15 - diameter difference is 2.1% bigger
195/50/15 - diameter difference is 1.23% smaller

With 55 series, you get more comfort but 50 series gives you even more precise steering control and feedback but ride will be bumpy. Both these tyre choices are plenty, esp for performance series like Michelin PS3, Goodyear GD5, Hankook V12, etc

Now, your choice of 195/50/16 means that the diameter is 3.05% bigger and most websites will advice to keep to the 3% rule. Also, there are not many choices of tyres available and also, 50 series may be a bit bumpy compared to your current 65 series and using 16' rims will definitely increase your FC due to heavier rims, unless you use light weight rims which may cost a bomb.

My personal suggestion is the 185/55/15 as you can get performance tyre like Michelin PS3 but of course 195/55/15 means a wider selection. Lets wait for the Master VR to add on.

wow..... i learn so much from you... thx bro... im not really pro about wheels.. but im expecting for 2~3 finger gap to each wheel... some more R15 not much nice looking design right? i love the type of rim which their spoke is curve outward.. any suggestion? my car is white color, so i prefer matte black or full black color of rims... would like to hear from your opinions

 

[6UE5t]

I second the above suggestion, 15 inch is already the best for such small low powered city car.
As for the fender gap, it depends on the overall diameter and how low your replacement sport springs will be and I STRONGLY suggest you to change the spring first before you buy wheels! Because many people do the opposite and end up with the wheels actually cannot fit nicely after the car has been lowered (tires rubbing fenders).
If you insist to use 16, then you need to use very thin profile tires like 195/45 to maintain roughly the same diameter and you will sacrifice comfort A LOT! If you use thicker profiles, your diameter will increase too much which cause your car to be slower, more fuel thirsty, and brakes longer/farther too! If you don;t want all those negatives but still want to use big wheels, then I'd ask how much are you willing to spend?? Cuz big lightweight wheels are expensive!
About the look, if you ask me 15 will look better on a Myvi than bigger ones! Because it matches the proportion of the car. There are tons of good looking 15s out there.

 

[aranny2001]

I second the above suggestion, 15 inch is already the best for such small low powered city car.
As for the fender gap, it depends on the overall diameter and how low your replacement sport springs will be and I STRONGLY suggest you to change the spring first before you buy wheels! Because many people do the opposite and end up with the wheels actually cannot fit nicely after the car has been lowered (tires rubbing fenders).
If you insist to use 16, then you need to use very thin profile tires like 195/45 to maintain roughly the same diameter and you will sacrifice comfort A LOT! If you use thicker profiles, your diameter will increase too much which cause your car to be slower, more fuel thirsty, and brakes longer/farther too! If you don;t want all those negatives but still want to use big wheels, then I'd ask how much are you willing to spend?? Cuz big lightweight wheels are expensive!
About the look, if you ask me 15 will look better on a Myvi than bigger ones! Because it matches the proportion of the car. There are tons of good looking 15s out there.

hahaha... really good advise from you... nice info and i really appreciate it... what make me think of 16" because it seems more design and i like those rims that curve outward... lol..... but how come some car like CRZ or the new city they ori manufacturer will make it 16"?:hmmmm:... 195 in R16 i think will be very hard to find, most common are the 205/45, will this kind of measurement gonna drink alots of fuel? any nice rim suggestion on the 15"? i like those spoke that curve outward and black in color... which offset can make the wheels flush with my fender?:hmmmm:

 

[MingFai]

195/50/15 is the best for myvi...
2 and the half finger is better... coz if 2 finger lowerd most of those kampung bump u kena...
max u can put in myvi is 16" but heavy
sizn max is 205/50/15 or 205/45/16

 

[aranny2001]

195/50/15 is the best for myvi...
2 and the half finger is better... coz if 2 finger lowerd most of those kampung bump u kena...
max u can put in myvi is 16" but heavy
sizn max is 205/50/15 or 205/45/16

2.5 finger gap also no problem... hehehe.... but then i wish to get nice rim that spoke curve outward... and also im expecting the rim offset which able to make the side of the wheel flush ngam ngam with the fender for this new myvi... so which rim got outward spoke , offset flush ngam ngam with fender in 15"? advan RZ? SSR type F?:hmmmm:

 

[vr2turbo]

Your original size should be 175/65/14. Hence, when you upsize, the ideal sizes are as follows:

185/55/15 - diameter difference is 0.27% bigger

Some ppl say that 185 does not give enough control, hence, they prefer wider tyre. Hence, the upsizes are:

195/55/15 - diameter difference is 2.1% bigger
195/50/15 - diameter difference is 1.23% smaller

With 55 series, you get more comfort but 50 series gives you even more precise steering control and feedback but ride will be bumpy. Both these tyre choices are plenty, esp for performance series like Michelin PS3, Goodyear GD5, Hankook V12, etc

Now, your choice of 195/50/16 means that the diameter is 3.05% bigger and most websites will advice to keep to the 3% rule. Also, there are not many choices of tyres available and also, 50 series may be a bit bumpy compared to your current 65 series and using 16' rims will definitely increase your FC due to heavier rims, unless you use light weight rims which may cost a bomb.

My personal suggestion is the 185/55/15 as you can get performance tyre like Michelin PS3 but of course 195/55/15 means a wider selection. Lets wait for the Master VR to add on.

You are doing okay and no need to call Master leh...... Unker can.....ha! ha!

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2.5 finger gap also no problem... hehehe.... but then i wish to get nice rim that spoke curve outward... and also im expecting the rim offset which able to make the side of the wheel flush ngam ngam with the fender for this new myvi... so which rim got outward spoke , offset flush ngam ngam with fender in 15"? advan RZ? SSR type F?:hmmmm:

Whether 2 or 2.5 fingers, work that out with the springs or suspension not the tyre size. If springs alone that would not be possible as it cannot be adjusted. Tyre size try to be as close as possible to original size tyre diameter. Have wider tyres is one thing, having a bigger diameter will take a lot of your pick up power.
If you do not want the tyres to scrap the fender in 15" try getting offset 40 rims. I remember many complain of this with offset 38 rims with full load.
Of course in 16" will look better but ride will suffer. Tyre will be 205/45R16. Even better looks I have seen a few are on 205/40R17.......

 

[faruck]

if u want ur car to look just nice,use 15inch..tyre 195/50/r15..after u use the sport spring u will get 2 gap(jari boleh masuk)....its nice n but not awesome


but if u ur car to look awesome just put 17 inch laa bro..a lot more nicer..205/40/r17..confirm no sangkut2..been there done that..bout the FC not much difference laa bro unless u change the exhaust system or the intake system..

to me i prefer 17inch..guarantee hooo liaoo...ladies outhere likes it too :proud:

 

[vr2turbo]

40 series, bumpy like h*ll.......

 

[faruck]

true..but u lose some,gain some lahh bro

 

[vr2turbo]

true..but u lose some,gain some lahh bro

True, if go, go all the way.......ha! ha!
Half way like neither here or there, but have to depend on owner......:rolleyes:

 

[cfa]

aranny, having just 2 or 3 finger gap may look very cool but do consider whether your current springs are strong enough to support a full load. You may only be driving solo or at the most, with your partner, but if you need to fetch your parents / in-laws, etc, the tyres may rub against your fenders / undercarriage, esp if going over bumps / basement carpark.

This is from my personal experience. Else, you will need 'stronger / stiffer' springs but not lowered springs. Lowered springs look cool but totally changes your ride characteristics. Unless you are prepared for it, don't change to lowered springs. Also, my personal opinion is that if you ever do change your springs, DO NOT trade in your old springs. Keep them cos you never know when you'll need them again.

 

[vr2turbo]

Lowered springs also do not work well with original absorbers. Spring and travel rate not the same.....

 

[6UE5t]

Lowered springs also do not work well with original absorbers. Spring and travel rate not the same.....

Not necessarily, depending on the springs, how much stiffer compared to original ones. Cuz original absorbers also have some tolerance which can accommodate up to certain difference. For example, Tanabe NF is designed to still be used with the original absorbers. Previously I've also used APEX springs (made in Holland) with stock absorbers in a Lancer and it's still fine, just slightly stiffer than the std ones.
If too stiff then of course the absorbers cannot control the spring bounce anymore and hence the car will be too bouncy.

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aranny, having just 2 or 3 finger gap may look very cool but do consider whether your current springs are strong enough to support a full load. You may only be driving solo or at the most, with your partner, but if you need to fetch your parents / in-laws, etc, the tyres may rub against your fenders / undercarriage, esp if going over bumps / basement carpark.

This is from my personal experience. Else, you will need 'stronger / stiffer' springs but not lowered springs. Lowered springs look cool but totally changes your ride characteristics. Unless you are prepared for it, don't change to lowered springs. Also, my personal opinion is that if you ever do change your springs, DO NOT trade in your old springs. Keep them cos you never know when you'll need them again.

Of course a proper lowered springs should also be stiffer. As for tire rubbing the fenders, it's more due to improper offset of the wheels. I've used cars which are pretty low before (only 1 finger gap) but still never had fender rubbing even though the car was fully loaded. That's why I strongly suggest to change spring first (if you indeed want to), so that when choosing wheels, you can see and judge better on the fitment and whether it will rub fenders or not.
And yes, never throw away your original springs!

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True, if go, go all the way.......ha! ha!
Half way like neither here or there, but have to depend on owner......:rolleyes:

For me, I'd go half way which is big enough to enhance the handling (which is the main purpose of upgrading for me) and look better than stock, but yet still small enough to be light (if possible even lighter than stock) & comfortable (using tires still >10cm thick). IMHO going the extreme way will only bring more negatives than positives. Unless my car is so damn powerful that I need giant size brakes too and so no choice but to use huge wheels to accommodate the brakes.

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hahaha... really good advise from you... nice info and i really appreciate it... what make me think of 16" because it seems more design and i like those rims that curve outward... lol..... but how come some car like CRZ or the new city they ori manufacturer will make it 16"?:hmmmm:... 195 in R16 i think will be very hard to find, most common are the 205/45, will this kind of measurement gonna drink alots of fuel? any nice rim suggestion on the 15"? i like those spoke that curve outward and black in color... which offset can make the wheels flush with my fender?:hmmmm:

CRZ & City are much more powerful than your Myvi and the their bodies are also bigger.
Actually 195/50 are probably one of the most common/easiest tire size to find. 205/45 will be very harsh already cuz the sidewall thickness/height is only 9.2cm. I personally will never want to go under 10cm in order to still retain decent comfort. Of course the tire compounds/design will also dictate greatly on the comfort level but in general the physics of the size will not lie much. :)

 

[vr2turbo]

Not necessarily, depending on the springs, how much stiffer compared to original ones. Cuz original absorbers also have some tolerance which can accommodate up to certain difference. For example, Tanabe NF is designed to still be used with the original absorbers. Previously I've also used APEX springs (made in Holland) with stock absorbers in a Lancer and it's still fine, just slightly stiffer than the std ones.
If too stiff then of course the absorbers cannot control the spring bounce anymore and hence the car will be too bouncy.

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Of course a proper lowered springs should also be stiffer. As for tire rubbing the fenders, it's more due to improper offset of the wheels. I've used cars which are pretty low before (only 1 finger gap) but still never had fender rubbing even though the car was fully loaded. That's why I strongly suggest to change spring first (if you indeed want to), so that when choosing wheels, you can see and judge better on the fitment and whether it will rub fenders or not.
And yes, never throw away your original springs!

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For me, I'd go half way which is big enough to enhance the handling (which is the main purpose of upgrading for me) and look better than stock, but yet still small enough to be light (if possible even lighter than stock) & comfortable (using tires still >10cm thick). IMHO going the extreme way will only bring more negatives than positives. Unless my car is so damn powerful that I need giant size brakes too and so no choice but to use huge wheels to accommodate the brakes.

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CRZ & City are much more powerful than your Myvi and the their bodies are also bigger.
Actually 195/50 are probably one of the most common/easiest tire size to find. 205/45 will be very harsh already cuz the sidewall thickness/height is only 9.2cm. I personally will never want to go under 10cm in order to still retain decent comfort. Of course the tire compounds/design will also dictate greatly on the comfort level but in general the physics of the size will not lie much. :)

That is why I mentioned lowered, as most lowered springs are usually stiffer to be able to hold the car from bottoming. Slightly harder then normal type would not be so low.

The go all the way, we were talking about looks, because the larger rims and lower profile tyres will look good, and as mentioned depends on owner what he/she wants. Of course the negative part like expensive, ride very bumpy and so on are part and parcel.

195/50 tyre size you are talking about 15" or 16". 16" much less choices

 

[6UE5t]

That is why I mentioned lowered, as most lowered springs are usually stiffer to be able to hold the car from bottoming. Slightly harder then normal type would not be so low.

The go all the way, we were talking about looks, because the larger rims and lower profile tyres will look good, and as mentioned depends on owner what he/she wants. Of course the negative part like expensive, ride very bumpy and so on are part and parcel.

195/50 tyre size you are talking about 15" or 16". 16" much less choices

Yea, not as low but still lower than std by and can still use std absorbers. The APEX I used before was lower by 3cm (fr) & 2cm (rr) than std but the ride is just a little bit firmer than std and still can match with the std absorbers. On the other hand I had also used Eibach before which was lower by >4cm (fr) & 3cm (rr) and it's much firmer ride, hence I also had to use higher damping absorbers (Bilstein Sport). That's why I said it depends but not always incompatible.

I meant 16, I think there are still a lot of brands offering that size. The more rare size for 16 is 195/55 which are more available in 15.

 

[vr2turbo]

If not too low then is okay. Not only the spring strength and rebound rate but if the springs makes it too low the original absorber not working it's full length.
195/50R16 first started with Satria Neo as OE tyres, and still not many in the market. 195/55R16 and 185/55R16 now added as OE also, but some tyre manufacturer are coming out with them.....hopefully more will follow......