Con man of the year! lousiest man i've ever met...

AJ6677 said:
reedoor,

can u pls paste ben's comment abt the issue here ar?
as u wish...

below are by ben... & *** are fr me...

bill to pay off loan he owed bank RM 27,810, dated 04-01-06.

apologies for unclear pictures. for those who want to see it in person, you know where i live.

year 2002 tyres are not what you accept as trade after you've bought a car. I paid RM 45k for this car which I thought would be fun. A car normally runs with average mileage of 20k per annum would have even with worn tyres, 2004 ones on them. You guys check the market price, k. You be the judge. As a trade you'd also have them on a balancer to check for pothole dinks etc.. but I guess we have lots of forummers tomorrow.

I sold my 1984 car with an M20B25 engine which is 22 years old and still runs, with bills and customs declarations, full leather and fondmetal wheels etc. Rust is a sure thing. He sent 2 other mechanics to check the car.

I don't want to add what I've had to do with his car. There are 2 sides to a story. As far as I'd love to battle it out here, I have other things to bog me down.

It's only in my interest to receive what's acceptable before parting with certain things. And in this case it's only a set of wheels and an old engine and tranny.

It's been 2 months, I've not seen good tyres with good wheels.

It's normal business practice to hold what you've got till you've gotten what's been agreed. When there are 2 parties and different standards, there are often gray areas which in this case is difficult to iron out.

It's sad that it has to be this way. But if all are willing............
I'd be glad for an exchange meeting with everyone present. How about that? At my house too http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/html/emoticons/yahoo.gif

How about tt session in taman tun? Tomorrow? Everyone comin'?
Decent tyres, not 2002 whatever the tyre. Rubber is rubber. For those of us who went to school, it deteriorates. Unfortunately some of us did chemistry. I don't want to bore you with molecular bonds.

If you check with follow forummers, I've given away 2003 tyres because I wont use them anymore and I've sold off my 2004 tyres dirt cheap. I mean this as no offence to anyone. I'm merely defending my argument here.

So there we are. Tomorrow night TT?

ONE SET original SATRIA GTI wheels with at least 2004 Imported tyres - like GTIs come with. Jap or german made preferred. Or new underlicenced ones, which are also fine.

for LIVE exchange

with ONE ZF4HP22 auto tranny and m20b25 engine that came with the car I've sold. No bills with this one, bought as it is with car and rebuilt.

and one set of 17 inch wheels which i've used for 2 months and are now back in my hands.

C'mon guys? Am I being generous now? So 'FAIR' trade tomorrow?

Show up only with CORRECT items in hand. Talk is cheap, right guys?

As for beating up etc.. It's not worth it for a trade worth less than 2k lar. That's child's play k. Meant as no offence too. C'mon let's be more constructive. Let's not dabble with underworld events. It's out of date.

There's a field with tables in front of my house. We can have a session there. Just bring drinks k. Happy faces and smiles http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif

Kelvin, I don't mean to hurt feelings. It's negotiation. I can't give you more of my time as much as I'd love to. For hurt feelings, I apologize. I boiled when you brought me 2002 tyres, that's all. For that I apologize too. I'd love to shake your hand, sit down for a drink and have a laugh with all. But bring good wheels and good unexpired tyres please, and the lorry. I don't want to be held responsible anymore, as of NOW. And as of now. The items are in my house. And you know where I live. Giving in cannot be one way, in any relationship or dealing. C'mon show us your nice side? We live in a society with all kinds. Let's not slag anyone off. Especially those we don't know and aren't here to defend.

That's as kind as I can be. I also think I've put it in as nice a manner as I can. I also apologize for replying late and for not posting earlier. It's the nature of my job. BUT TOMORROW, I'M FREE!

I'm not offering excuses. I've got things in hand. And I'm inviting all. I'll even come up with some drinks. I'm open to anyone giving a hand. Kelvin, you in? And all the others? Oh the address 84 ss20/26. That's opposite Pizza Hut TTDI. The one with the engine sitting outside.

We can all adjourn to some other place too. Let's see the poll.

http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif the bandit? http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/html/emoticons/yahoo.gif

*** attached with some transfer tickets which not shown here, & continue with wat he says...

transfer tickets. i paid for both too.

fair trade? too generous?

so, show or no show? I'm sure some of you friends out there are calling me silly now. but whatever it takes to prove a point I guess.

let's see how many people want 2002 tyres on their car?? after concluding and signing the dotted line?? and having done the transfer. I'm offering not quite that, just newer ones in exchange for superior things and +++

that's all the time i'm spending here.

*** & de next post...

Thank you guys.
Now's a story of a guy who's owed money to the bank which i've cleared by buying a satria gti at 45k. Any dealer would only have given 39k tops.

And he buys my e30 325i with all round discs and leather seats for for 14k.

Discount 6k from the above and you have 8k albeit rust, I think most would have it. All old e30s have that problem.

Plus extra gearbox and engine, you have the car for 6k tops. Please be reasonable.

I don't wish to slag reedoor off as he has done as it would only bring me to his level. Meant as no offence too. He's young and has lots to learn. I have too. Patience with people being one. As well as tolerance. My bluntness also brought to this.

Communication skills another. If you read me as wanting to cheat you. Nope. It's just negotiation. And it should be one on one and not create a newspaper daily like in ZTH as well as this place.

There is also an endless list to add to what's needed to be done to his car which I will not further bother with. It doesn't aid in solving anything.

Reedoor, I'd appreciate that you bring what's acceptable and take what's yours as well as to clear up after what's been created, here and zth.

And don't forget to bring a lorry with a hoist. Don't want anyone damaging my front drive. Please do it quickly as well. Don't take another 2 months and have me writing another lenghty post. I sure don't enjoy it, I'm sure you don't and I doubt I'll even find this kind of time to do it again. There's no compensation for time is there? When you purchase something do it quickly. We are not your store houses and we don't charge storage fees either. Fact and meant as no offence. Count yourself as lucky that I can reason. And I also count myself lucky that you've not done anything silly. Do it quickly or I'll have it outside the gate for whoever wants to pick it up. I don't need those things. It's just a matter of principal. I'm trying to point something out here. Bringing a set of 2002 tyres for all that I've paid is an insult. I have bought a new set as you have seen. We all have pride and should stoop to those levels. A conman wouldn't give you 2 working engines and 2 working automatic gearboxes. I'm sure you haven't a clue how much they cost either. You have to be able to distinguish facts from fables. I can give you endless things for you to read on tyre compounds and composites. In our weather and temp, tyres go in no time. It's just that it's not worth my time and I'd rather chuck out facts as I'd have to spend days explaining in layman terms. Also meant as no offence. I guess talking crap against someone talking crap doesn't solve a problem either. For that I also apologize. Could I be more gracious? Let's both spend time doing more constuctive things k? Deal?

Just bring those rims with decent tyres. The problem with the both of us is that neither one listens or gives in. There has to be a path where 2 meet. It cannot be a one way win or deal all the time. C'mon give and take.

If you've still no money then??? I'm even inclined to deal and wait for tyres, but what's the likelihood of you coming back with them in the future? Hence I hold. I've been bitten so many times that it's just automatic to be careful. Can I trust you? That's why sometimes I prefer to give. You want me to give again? I can afford it, but it's your dignity at stake. No issues. You think about it.

Slagging people off should be banned. It's ugly

With this I end. No further discussion. Thank you.

*** & more...

potenza g3? wheeler dealer this chap I'm dealing with?
On forums we sell things we have used which we own.
It's a really simple topic here. Good tyres with the rims and we deal.
I bought an overpriced car riddled with problems which I will not dabble on here as I've accepted it when I bought it. As to honesty, it's another lengthy topic to be discuss on used car sale/exchange. There is no end. On a short note, I bought a car which was only used by this guys for a couple of months.

doesn't take long to predict and find where it came from too.

so look, just bring what's acceptable and take your things quickly. no offence we all want to get on with what we're doing. It's another busy day for me. So till then....... I wait. Simple and straightforward, but now with an audience.

***he attached a members post & contact which i dont think we shud involve him in this incident...
 
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reedor,

still remember a few months back when u are looking at this e30...that time u post "what do u think......."

remember we discussed bout the rims, wat color will suit your beemer and so on...

then it turned out to be like this...pity u bro....

its okay.just keep cool."someone" is always watching from above, and nowadays, that "guy" above prefers "bayar cash"!!!just give some time. i'm sure this ben will get wat he deserves.....

this kind of things actually makes us a better person, if we deal with it right...
 
below was my reply....

Ben Ben Ben... hahaha...

guys, this is the way he talks!!!

GUYS, HOW WUD U FEEL WHEN A PERSON SAY SORRY & WANNA SHAKE HAND WITH U AFTER HE SLAP UR FACE?

ben, hes a true matha farking gud talker i can say, i was glad tat yea, he paid for the transfer... & yea, i can also tell u guys tat i paid for his lunch! so how? does tat means he's 'kind enough'?!

hahaha... tat makes me laugh... really make me laugh! u're jus true liar arent u?! somemore bringing out ur Professors for wat?! U R WAT U R!!! u lied mean u lied! u bluff mean u bluff!!! theres no related between u as a person to ur professor! guys, m i rite?

ben, yea i admit im young, but at least i tell the truth!!! u! with so many professor backup still lies?! so?! wats ur point? meaning younger ones wud always do thing wrong? then now u did thing wrong, means wat? meaning u're even 'younger'?! u'r childish in ur way man...

i din't complain anythng bout de E30... & i think i made a 'gud' buy by "getting" extra engine & transmission, im glad, & im not complaining about tat!

come on, tell us more about why u said u "sold the car already" & "rim gone"... wats de reason u made these lies?!

yea, if dealer take my car, they might jus take at around 39k, tats true, & tats de reason i don wanna sell de car to dealer! wats wrong with it? my (passed away) father was a used car dealer for more than 15yrs, my uncle is still a used car dealer, some of my hometown frens also a used car dealer, i hav fren here also used car dealer. come on, dont jus think u no everything & others r stupid, ok?!
then, y dont u sell ur car to dealer? y r u saying my car's dealer price? wats de E30's used car trade in price? 8k?
hey, dont forget, u r de 1 who said tat u've played so many cars & wud like to get either Gti or putra, & u r de 1 who said we can make de trade, remember?!

discount 6k? who said u discount 6k for me?
u were asking 17k in ur post. i told u a fren of mine (my ZTH customer) 's fren got his 325 in gud condition for 14k, then u said, if 14k a, then i take out de exhaust lo, it cost me 3k to brought it back fr germany... remember?! i was thinking, 'wat de hell was tat exhaust?! how come it cost 3k?' but then thinking of getting a RM3k away, im happy to get de car at 14k.
so, wat makes u said u discounted 6k for me?
guys, he took away something which he said woth 3k, does tat means he discounted for me? & wud u discount 6k for ppl?! hahaha...

& i told u i already no tat de car at tat yr wud hav rusted problems, & im ok with, thought of rebuilding de car, so i dint say anything, i think my buy is a gud 1, i dint complain... but U DID!!!

let me ask u again, y didnt u sell de engine & transmission away urself? since u said tat cost u so much... y r u giving away? anything wrong with them? r u giving me rubbish?!

come on la, dont say like ur so generous... u might b in some way, but u're still a liar, arent u?!

remember u asked me to go to de tyre shop somewhere near ur office to asked about de Gti rim?! LIM TYRE, remember? tat day (sunday), after met, i went straight to them & asked a mech to comment bout my tyre, asked him whether my tyre still can use o not.
guys, de mech said tat de tyre are in gud condition, manufactured in 49weeks 02', (theres 52weeks in a yr, & tyres only manufactured 49weeks a year), & my tyres are all japan made Bridgestone potenza G3 (he said he dont wan SIME, then i find japan tyre for him, still not gud enough? guys, if u're free, go check out all de tyre shops around u, ask whether isit easy to get this 205/45/R16 tyres o not... it aint easy! tats y it took me so long to get it!)
& japan tyres need at least 1yr to export fr japan to other places. & tyres ONLY expired after 5yrs!!!
so guys, wats wrong with 02' tyres? last week of 02' made, with de thread left 50%, he can still use it for more than half yr for daily drive+he goes to sungai perak or JB.

guys, u say, wats wrong with my tyre & with de mech said my tyres are fine, y shud i change it to 04'?! (im not like him, can giv de extra engine away...)

u said u "give in", giving in wat? Patience? patience about wat? giving in by not answering my call, patience by not replying me?! giving in by lying at me & guys around here?
Car sold? hahaha... tyre exploded? hahaha...
guys, if u guys really see my rim+tyre in well, gud condition, wat does tat means? u & i both no...

being constructive or tolerance? hahaha... if u're really being constructive, u wudnt hav ignore my call already la... if tolerance, u wudnt make me need to go to find u at ur house so many time already la. u say things like singing le, birds also wud fly to u when u talk lo. hahaha...

one way win?! come on, guys, dont u think tat if i didnt post this incident here, hes de 1 who wins all ways?! (17" rim+tyre, engine & transmission... tats some money weee...) wooo hooo...

keep ur apology to urself ben, shake hand?! hahaha... u no wat u did, dont tok so nice, liar is a liar...

if u were not happy with de price u got de Gti, u shudnt hav agree with it, now only keep on saying u bought my car at 45k & dealer take only 39k, y?
ur jus a LOSER, & U R!!!
 
ongteckweng said:
mate....my suggestion: get ur stuffs back...give him back his stuffs...end of story....
boss, remember i asked u bout rim & tyre thing?! its not easy to get tyres man... somemore 04', he so fussy... not easy wee...
 
dude...


this about your dignity now.. dont give him a face.. whack him kaw kaw.. i f u need flyers.. sukarelawan ramai at ttdi area.. this moron shudnt be in this planet.. show him your true colors now.. very unethical sucker..!! if he is my neighbour.. he is history ... teruk betul!!
 
First, I'm not Ben's friend, neither is your friend, I only stand at the top, understand both side story then I make the conclusion. At first I thought that you are the guy that got cheated, but after read Ben's story, I think you also got fault. Another thing is both of you die die want to say own is right, this is not the way to solve the problem, you should sit together with him only(no other party involed) and talk, which he already made this step, how about you?
Is a fault when trusting people without knowing who is him, somemore in buying 2nd hand things.
Well, as i said earlier, 1.8 GTi if don't rev, then do what? If I got an EVO also I will rev to 8000rpm if buy second hand. Certain car is need to be rev up to almost max then only will know what is the problem. Anyway Ben already said that he is pissed off with you when you bring an expired tyre to him. I don't know which shop do you went, unless the guy in tyre shop wants you to go heaven earlier, if not they sure will tell you that the tyre is harden up already and ask you to change.
The thing here is you still cannot get the point, is it you make him pissed off first? Ben also admit that he is cheating you as you make him angry by giving the expired tyres.
The tyres you can go to shop and try to sell, see which shop want to take it?
Aj6677, this world still got moral? For you, maybe yes, but for me, when is money involed I will keep this the other side.
 
SePaT said:
dude...


this about your dignity now.. dont give him a face.. whack him kaw kaw.. i f u need flyers.. sukarelawan ramai at ttdi area.. this moron shudnt be in this planet.. show him your true colors now.. very unethical sucker..!! if he is my neighbour.. he is history ... teruk betul!!

This will not solve the problem, only make it worst... Now only they 2 can solve the problem, not us.
 
kyheng,

it seems like u jus trust ben's word... fr wat u said.

if i dint wan to tok, i wudnt hav went to his place so many times!!! get it?! if he really wanna deal, he wudnt hav make so much stories! & if he really wanna deal nicely, i wudnt need to post it here already, bro, u understand de reason y i post it here a?
how come u keep on saying he pissed off bcos of me? i also nvr say i pissed, u keep on saying he pissed off? come on... if u were me? de guy make u run so many times, u still tok nicely with him a?
cudnt u see de way he reply? dont u see tat hes not replying y he said he sold de car nor bout my tyre exploded on highway? i really donno y u think tat i cheated him... omg...
tyre shop say its usable bcos it can still b use!!! wow man, meaning u throw all ur tyre when its bout 50%?! come on man... sunday (11th March) only i brought de whole set to him, & by tat day ONLY he told me my tyre exploded on high way & rim drop & scratched!!!
b4 tat, he dint see de tyre. previously asked him to giv me his email & i wud send some pics to him, he said no need, "jus bring de set to me, if ok then we deal"...
do u no wat & which comes 1st a? do read my post fr top to bottom bro... not fr bottom to top man...

to understand de whole thing, read all, not jus some part!

i appreciate ur concern but i dont feel u understand de whole situation...
 
kyheng said:
Aj6677, this world still got moral? For you, maybe yes, but for me, when is money involed I will keep this the other side.


sorry to say this bro...but this world is losing its moral values coz of ppl like u...money comes 1st in everything!!! im so sad to know that u r a victim of the power of money. my advise is...dont let money makes u cheap bro. no offence here...
 
AJ6677 said:
sorry to say this bro...but this world is losing its moral values coz of ppl like u...money comes 1st in everything!!! im so sad to know that u r a victim of the power of money. my advise is...dont let money makes u cheap bro. no offence here...


Yarloh, I only follow the groups after get cheated few times, this is learn thru experience. You can try and get cheated, then you know how it feels. So now anything that involves money, we have to becareful. No offence here, from the way you talk, seems like you are cheating people's money also, that's why you won't feel it. Money is not everything, but without it, you cannot live with it also.
 
You see, from the way you talk, you are like a small boy, you have make a mistake, just admit it then try to solve the problem with Ben. And the other thing is i not trust Ben's word, only if you can keep your mind cool then you will know the whole situation. Since that your head still on fire, here's what Ben had said "It's been 2 months, I've not seen good tyres with good wheels.

It's normal business practice to hold what you've got till you've gotten what's been agreed. When there are 2 parties and different standards, there are often gray areas which in this case is difficult to iron out
."

You go to his house from what I notice is you are more on try to have a fight, not a good talk. You just have a thought, if you can bring a good tyre and rim as his request, will this all happens?
A responsible tyre man will ask you to change the tyre after 3 years, even the thread still looks good. First you must know is we are in a hot country, not cold country, the rubber's composition might changed after time. Ben don't want to take it as he know's that safety is compromised, that's why he refuse to take it. I think if you give him a set of good tyres and rims, sure he will return back your rims and tyres without any problem on it, based on his statement on top. From here i think he is trying to solve the dispute, only you make it like you are the victim, but if read carefully, looks like you are trying to con him more than he con you. Because of people like you, make this world don't have trust anymore....
 
lol now talk until tukar cerita......support Ben and against reedoor?

BEST SOLUTION i have posted la dudes here.......

reedoor go trade-in your 02 tyres and buy another brandnew set of tyre but not SIM TYRE to him la.......

u just anggap donate to charity la.......

habis cerita.......he gets what he wants......u gets back your set of rim+tyre

MCH buy that day.....that day bring to him along with the OFFICIAL RECEIPT.

See what else he wanna say loh...........
 
kyheng it took reedoor 2 months to get the rim and tyre cuz he was sourcing out for it, not an easy task i would say if he wants to find perfect condition rims

AND if ben was trying to solve it out and not con.... PLEASE DO ASK HIM TO EXPLAIN why in the first place he said the car was sold along with the rim? as far as i know Ben avoided this question as best as he could.

And being matured ppl i dont think its right to call people small boy :)
 
in dis situation, i can claimed that reedoor is a gud person, and Ben is different,he conman.........once he want to con u what eve u are small boy or old boy, he are still a con man....nothing wrong with reedoor...he just a nice guy...if me, for sure i will kick that con man!!..
 
kyheng said:
You see, from the way you talk, you are like a small boy, you have make a mistake, just admit it then try to solve the problem with Ben. And the other thing is i not trust Ben's word, only if you can keep your mind cool then you will know the whole situation. Since that your head still on fire, here's what Ben had said "It's been 2 months, I've not seen good tyres with good wheels.

It's normal business practice to hold what you've got till you've gotten what's been agreed. When there are 2 parties and different standards, there are often gray areas which in this case is difficult to iron out
."

You go to his house from what I notice is you are more on try to have a fight, not a good talk. You just have a thought, if you can bring a good tyre and rim as his request, will this all happens?
A responsible tyre man will ask you to change the tyre after 3 years, even the thread still looks good. First you must know is we are in a hot country, not cold country, the rubber's composition might changed after time. Ben don't want to take it as he know's that safety is compromised, that's why he refuse to take it. I think if you give him a set of good tyres and rims, sure he will return back your rims and tyres without any problem on it, based on his statement on top. From here i think he is trying to solve the dispute, only you make it like you are the victim, but if read carefully, looks like you are trying to con him more than he con you. Because of people like you, make this world don't have trust anymore....

from what i hv read it show BEN trying to con reedoor
he sold the car with the rims he agreed to return it back to reedoor ? ?
if BEN is not trying to con reedoor y din BEN give a call to reedoor b4 that or bring reedoor to the dealer to get the rims ? ? ?

the gearbox n engine hv nth to with the rims isnt it..
y BEN dont allow reedoor get it b4 they settle bout the rims ? ?

reedoor,
since u already hv the rims... just get cheap cheap tyres n get ur stuff... isnt keeping it kinda waste ur space n all the time u spend to get it ? ?
 
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kyheng,
May I ask in what authority do you hold to say,
Because of people like you, make this world don't have trust anymore....
? If I'm not mistaken, on the first page of the post, there are already a few friends who have justified that reedoor was a nice person to deal with, and one of them even mentioned about being happy to deal with him again.

To many forum members, and my humble self, it seems that reedoor has kept his part of the deal. Just that Benshit was being, well, a shit in this case after various clariffications. I am unsure which part of the situation that you are unclear of to have made you post what you posted.

Here's one part of your post.
From here i think he is trying to solve the dispute, only you make it like you are the victim, but if read carefully, looks like you are trying to con him more than he con you.
Reedoor took the trouble to look for a set of rims and tyres. Would a con man still show his face even after weeks of dealing? Would a con man bother to take that kind of trouble to look for a set of rims and tyres? I personally doubt so, unless your kindself is more familiar with how a conman does his job? I'm unsure about your kindself but the way I understand it, a conman would just deal with it, be done with it and everything's over. No need to show face anymore cos it may just blow his cover, or whatever.

Also, Ben shouldn't have lied in the first place about selling the car with the 17" rims. Ben should also know that the rims DOES NOT belong to him but rather, "on loan". This simply means that Ben should keep the rims in the condition it came in and not thrash it all over. More over, after driving for a period of time, he complains about problems with the car? All problems and whatnots have been made known to both parties when test driving the car. Once the car is sold with all things made clear, the new owner will have the car in his own full responsibility. If Ben so requires, he can chase and pester reedoor to quickly find a set of rims so that Ben could drive the car 100% as he pleases. Driving the car according to his own likes when the deal is not fully completed is beyond business practice.

To be quite honest with you, I feel that you have your own views and I respect that. You have justified your believes and statements, and I still respect that. No harm done. However, I posted this because of your statement....

You see, from the way you talk, you are like a small boy, you have make a mistake, just admit it then try to solve the problem with Ben
You go to his house from what I notice is you are more on try to have a fight, not a good talk. You just have a thought, if you can bring a good tyre and rim as his request, will this all happens?
From here i think he is trying to solve the dispute, only you make it like you are the victim, but if read carefully, looks like you are trying to con him more than he con you. Because of people like you, make this world don't have trust anymore....

... which seems to invalidate all your statements because it seems to portray that you too have flames in you. It also seems that you are pin pointing at reedoor rather than discussing or sharing opinions about it. If you are unable to refrain from posting the aforementioned quotes, perhaps I could suggest chilling out before posting? Or an easier way is just don't post if you have nothing constructive to say?

As I do not have a mind as great as God Himself to see and know everything, please do enlighten me if you feel or think I have missed out on some points or views.

God Bless.
 
kyheng said:
You see, from the way you talk, you are like a small boy, you have make a mistake, just admit it then try to solve the problem with Ben. And the other thing is i not trust Ben's word, only if you can keep your mind cool then you will know the whole situation. Since that your head still on fire, here's what Ben had said "It's been 2 months, I've not seen good tyres with good wheels.

It's normal business practice to hold what you've got till you've gotten what's been agreed. When there are 2 parties and different standards, there are often gray areas which in this case is difficult to iron out
."

You go to his house from what I notice is you are more on try to have a fight, not a good talk. You just have a thought, if you can bring a good tyre and rim as his request, will this all happens?
A responsible tyre man will ask you to change the tyre after 3 years, even the thread still looks good. First you must know is we are in a hot country, not cold country, the rubber's composition might changed after time. Ben don't want to take it as he know's that safety is compromised, that's why he refuse to take it. I think if you give him a set of good tyres and rims, sure he will return back your rims and tyres without any problem on it, based on his statement on top. From here i think he is trying to solve the dispute, only you make it like you are the victim, but if read carefully, looks like you are trying to con him more than he con you. Because of people like you, make this world don't have trust anymore....
kyheng bro....i dunno how u understand the whole matter...but then...IMO...if ben's the right one...i m wonderin y doesnt he mention bout the car sold away? and next..the tyre exploded case at the BMW forum? and concernin reedoor goin to his house...well..if it's me...i jst can say...if me and u hav an unsettled business...jst an example...i call u...u dun answer me...one time nvm...if over few times...and i noe where u live...of coz i will go over to ur house mo...if not how? jst call u everyday? and u ignore my call everyday? well...i kinda respect reedoor le...for not even takin any harsh actions at all..if such things happens to me...i just can say...tat ben is reli gonna regret all his actions...i dun mind givin him any troubles at all...even if he returned the rims to me without anything in return... i will still not let him go...he wan2 report police or wut...up to him...as like u said...money is important..and it's not hard to bribe all those corrupted cops in our country..so sendin him to hell isnt a problem for me at all..therefore..i reli respect reedoor for being this patient already...and it's too damn clear tat mr BEN is the CON in this matter...well...kyheng..if i offended u..apologies for u...peace..
 

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