claying

[vr2turbo]

But claying more for surface contaminants only, like rough surface that you can feel. Water marks better use polish to remove....

 

[droll]

But claying more for surface contaminants only, like rough surface that you can feel. Water marks better use polish to remove....

yes, that is true but the water marks i'm talking about are not the permanent type. you know when you use a wet cloth to dry a window and after it dries you can still see dry water streak marks on the glass?

it's the same with the car body. so these are not the type of marks that need polishing to remove.

having said that, my car's paint is bad in need of a polish......lots of surface defects. this is the one thing i don't have time (or know how) to do. prefer to get someone else to do it. but difficult lah. most of the really good detailers that i know don't have a shop and they do it at your house. problem is my house doesn't have covered porch and they need one full day to do polishing. haih!

 

[vr2turbo]

yes, that is true but the water marks i'm talking about are not the permanent type. you know when you use a wet cloth to dry a window and after it dries you can still see dry water streak marks on the glass?

it's the same with the car body. so these are not the type of marks that need polishing to remove.

having said that, my car's paint is bad in need of a polish......lots of surface defects. this is the one thing i don't have time (or know how) to do. prefer to get someone else to do it. but difficult lah. most of the really good detailers that i know don't have a shop and they do it at your house. problem is my house doesn't have covered porch and they need one full day to do polishing. haih!

Okay, understand what you mean on those water marks. Then I think your paint have no protection at all. For me after every wash I top up the sealant protection.....

 

[eohl79]

nolah, just that i like the after effect of claying. i find that washing doesn't completely clean the car. and this is partly due to the quality of water supply from our taps and i cannot satisfactorily keep a micro fibre cloth super duper clean no matter what i do. when i dry the car, i can still spot some dirt left (tiny little watermarks). with claying, i seem to have a lot less of that problem. that's why i was thinking of claying during each wash.

i park my car in the open air because my house doesn't have a covered porch. i have parked my previous rides before before in my house porch over the years and find that after a few months water marks will appear on the glass and it cannot be removed (except with something very acidic or by some intense scrubbing / sanding of the glass - but that's another story). after speaking with bro KC he said it is likely caused by rain water dripping down or splashing off from the roof, walls, etc of my house onto the car. i've spoken to another megiuars detailer before and he said the same thing. it's either from the house or tree sap (since no tree so must be house). that's why i park my car by the roadside outside my house.

so the car is super exposed to rain and sun. :(

Need to fix a gutter on your roof edge to channel the water somewhere. Also put on a coat of waterproofing layer before you paint your walls with weatherbond...

Do you use OCW regularly after every wash or so? Or is it plain opti-seal?

May i suggest you try other sealant/waxes instead. My opinion, opti seal is good and easy to use but does have its weakness too (don't want to elaborate, different people different criteria). Try other wax/sealants instead to see if it works better for you.

 

[droll]

Need to fix a gutter on your roof edge to channel the water somewhere. Also put on a coat of waterproofing layer before you paint your walls with weatherbond...

Do you use OCW regularly after every wash or so? Or is it plain opti-seal?

May i suggest you try other sealant/waxes instead. My opinion, opti seal is good and easy to use but does have its weakness too (don't want to elaborate, different people different criteria). Try other wax/sealants instead to see if it works better for you.

yeah, i have to remember to do the waterproof coating for the walls but for roof tiles how?

i use zymol wax - not OCW even though i have a bottle of OCW. zymol is quite hard. i usually put optiseal first then zymol on top of it.

 

[junbecks]

just to share,
I have clayed a BMW 318 before (year 1995-1997).
It was repainted sometime in 2005 to purple and the bumper didnt have clearcoat.
I was claying the bumper and all of a sudden my white clay turned purple.

 

[s1tl]

Since we're on the topic of claying - I wanna ask about using ONR as lube. I noticed that ONR will streak if it's left to dry on its on and according to the instructions it's best to wipe it dry as soon as possible. Does this mean then the process would be clay + ONR lube then dry?

Also what is your ONR mix proportions? 1 part to 3 parts water?

i clay all the cars i do with only water =.= ONR is overrated, and spraying ONR dillution for claying? =D try it with water then try it with ONR then u tell me whats different

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just to share,
I have clayed a BMW 318 before (year 1995-1997).
It was repainted sometime in 2005 to purple and the bumper didnt have clearcoat.
I was claying the bumper and all of a sudden my white clay turned purple.

since u mention that the bumper had no clear coat on it, which means you are claying the paint off the body. stop doing that or u end up repainting it again

 

[vr2turbo]

i clay all the cars i do with only water =.= ONR is overrated, and spraying ONR dillution for claying? =D try it with water then try it with ONR then u tell me whats different

with water is more aggressive. ONR act as lube (slippery) so is sliding over and not taken as much contaminants as plain water itself....

 

[KrisMas]

s1tl, I would think you'd need something a little bit more lubricative (is there such a word?) than water for claying...maybe a few drops of shampoo (at the least) would suffice. The difference won't be on the result or how much contaminant was removed, but how much marring it leaves/creates. But, saying that, no such worries if you plan to do some polishing afterwards....*peace*

 

[s1tl]

well, i clay right after i wash the car, does seem to leave any marring doesnt seem to be not sliperry?

 

[KrisMas]

Then we're all been duped.....MUAHAHAHAHA.......

On a serious note, serious mental note, will need to dwell on this further and do more trials (the next time my cars need claying...which won't be for quite some time...:p)

 

[cbsteh]

I would love to see some scientific test on marring: claying with lubricant and claying with just H2O. But intuitively, claying with lubricant would reduce the risk of marring. Personally, I clay with water only. I too do not notice any difference compared to when I clayed using lubricant -- but it could all boil down to technique.

 

[vr2turbo]

I would love to see some scientific test on marring: claying with lubricant and claying with just H2O. But intuitively, claying with lubricant would reduce the risk of marring. Personally, I clay with water only. I too do not notice any difference compared to when I clayed using lubricant -- but it could all boil down to technique.

If we clay and then polish this is not an issue.....

 

[Izso]

*slaps forehead*

So even claying is a voodoo science topic ah?

s1tl : I sometimes use OPC to clay because it's silkier. But I have to rinse immediately after and that's highly time consuming. Do you clay with a running tap or just dip rub dip rub style?

 

[vr2turbo]

*slaps forehead*

So even claying is a voodoo science topic ah?

s1tl : I sometimes use OPC to clay because it's silkier. But I have to rinse immediately after and that's highly time consuming. Do you clay with a running tap or just dip rub dip rub style?

Detailing is science.....

 

[KrisMas]

*slaps forehead*

So even claying is a voodoo science topic ah?

...and some people would question why you kacau kopi clockwise and not anti-clockwise....

 

[muyo]

*slaps forehead*

So even claying is a voodoo science topic ah?

s1tl : I sometimes use OPC to clay because it's silkier. But I have to rinse immediately after and that's highly time consuming. Do you clay with a running tap or just dip rub dip rub style?

Your claybar wont spoil ar?

 

[Izso]

Your claybar wont spoil ar?

Er.. considering I've only done this twice, I don't know.


Will someone tell me how to clay properly?

 

[vr2turbo]

Your claybar wont spoil ar?

Clean and store properly will last a long time......

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Er.. considering I've only done this twice, I don't know.


Will someone tell me how to clay properly?

Ah! How to clay properly?
Well, I still use shampoo solution as lube. Flatten clay bar, spray lube on paint and clay with light pressure. Make sure you don't drop the clay bar....

 

[muyo]

Er.. considering I've only done this twice, I don't know.


Will someone tell me how to clay properly?

Err.. can try my method la if you think is useful. Use a plastic bag cover your hand and feel the surface. If you feel there is something on on the surface then need to clay. I use ONR as lubricant. Never tried got marring when I have a clean surface to clay. Only got a few hair line before cause I think I picked up some tiny hard object then when wanna inspect the paint only I know I screw up from the preparation. I tried use opc to clay before and then end up my claybar melted. That's why I ask you how come your claybar wont spoil.

I clay left right up down, then wipe dry with a damp mf to feel is there is any pokey pockey feeling on the surface. If you not use to check contaminants with damp mf then use plastic bags.