DIY the "probably the only real FUEL SAVER"

[Northiswara]

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and no.. I'm no E&E guy also.. but proud to have easy digestive brains (left & right ones)

i not as digestive as u. NEED HELP!!

 

[imoloq]

Im not quite agree with the 5 min engine running that will boil away the water. The content of the vapor is not 100% h20 but its mixed with some other substance which yet to be confirmed. (Doing chemical test on the water, waiting for results)
If you boil the "water", it will dry up and left some white color substance that can corrode the engine block or other metal components. This is not my prediction but experienced.
Hope it helps.

Oh no no no. If you channel the gas tru a bubbler, which uses distilled water as medium, u should not have contamination.

I was talking about how to prevent rust in the cylinders btw :)

 

[imoloq]

very good information, imolog..... once its turn off n stop producing hydrogen vapor, extra 5 minit burning the remaining vapor off....so no more vapor kept producing overnight while u r not running the engine.

am i right ?

Yup thats for solving the rust problem.

But as fritz found out, there might be some other substances that got into the cylinders as well. I suspect it might be the electrolyte he's using.

Any updates on the tests, fritz?

 

[imoloq]

There's one more thing:

It's best to test all your diy experiments on a carburetted car. EFI cars have pretty advanced electronics governing all aspects of engine operations. When a HHOgenerator is attached to the engine, it causes the fuel inside the cylinders to burn nicely and clean. Unfortunately, the computer is expecting the same amount of unburnt oxygen to come out of the tailpipe. When it doesn't detect it, it assumes its running lean (more o2 than petrol) and increases the fuel rate to get back to its normal inefficient method of running. This cancels the mileage improvements unless something is done to adjust the operation of the computer.

The computer can be tricked but it requires major diy.

 

[proton63t]

But according to this, perhaps the car is burning more petrol and gain a slight better power, no ?

 

[icecube]

Okie. I got the baking powder in my cell now. I think less then 5g or so.. (less then half the cap of the bottle). and it bubble very aggressively. Then i dilute it futher coz its drawing very high current (by judging on the volt meter i got)... until its drawing less current and enough bubble to see a different.

Anyway, i think all of you are right about the EFI thingy. It just keep pumping in more fuel. And i do need a water trapper as recommend by fritz coz when using with the baking soda, the gas is so high that in the hose u can see it turning back into water and slowly sipping into the engine.... but at the end of the hose going into the engine side, it dries up... probably due to heat of the block.

So i'll try to get a fuel filter and DIY a water trapper (or where can i get one) coz now i felt the car is heavier can hardder to accelerate with the huge gas coming in....... (or it became water when reaching the throttle). but when crusing on highway at 80kmph its smoother and lower rpm.......

i done the circuit on the DIY EFIE thingy that uses a 12 level one way knob switch. just cant test the circuit coz i dont have a 0.5v input to test (and tune ) it before actually plugging the unit up with my O2 sensor and tapping it into my ECU to avoid any potential problem. argh.... but heck i'll get drunk one day and hook it in my car some day.... i guess....

 

[icecube]

Is Baking Soda and Baking Powder the same?

 

[ibeni05]

Hi, Sorry about the mumblings.. I'm just not myself that day.

Anyway who have the SS thread left overs and living some where closer to puchong??? I did looked around but the shop is selling @RM30++ per 2m lengh? Care to sell? as it's hard for me to travel to KL just for buying that (need a little taichi'ying from my significant other).

 

[icecube]

Hi, Sorry about the mumblings.. I'm just not myself that day.

Anyway who have the SS thread left overs and living some where closer to puchong??? I did looked around but the shop is selling @RM30++ per 2m lengh? Care to sell? as it's hard for me to travel to KL just for buying that (need a little taichi'ying from my significant other).

The SS thread u mention is the 6mm rod/stud (to fit nut No.10) ? I do have some leftt over, how many feet do u want?

 

[icecube]

Found out another thing.

Baking soda and Baking power is different.

Use only Baking soda (pure 99% sodium bicarbonate) rather then Baking Powder (mixture of corn flour,soudium bicarbonate and some other stuff making it more acid based).

I tried both. And Baking Powder cause the water to become like curry. Reddish brownish and dirty. Baking Soda only add a little bit of brownish to the water but still clear. And both have the same gas out put (as dynoed using my eyes).

USE ONLY BAKING SODA ... NOT BAKING POWDER!! (U can get at giant for RM0.99 in a small bottle near the cake assesories department)

 

[Northiswara]

keep up the hard work bros!
me old and useless cant understand your ppl very complicated invention.
just like the predator. using all high tech stuffs.

 

[ibeni05]

Found out another thing.

Baking soda and Baking power is different.

Use only Baking soda (pure 99% sodium bicarbonate) rather then Baking Powder (mixture of corn flour,soudium bicarbonate and some other stuff making it more acid based).

I tried both. And Baking Powder cause the water to become like curry. Reddish brownish and dirty. Baking Soda only add a little bit of brownish to the water but still clear. And both have the same gas out put (as dynoed using my eyes).

USE ONLY BAKING SODA ... NOT BAKING POWDER!! (U can get at giant for RM0.99 in a small bottle near the cake assesories department)

whoaa bro??!! so power/terror la u got dyno built-in to your eyes!! must be relative to 6 mil $$ man?? hehe..

i still dont no la bro.. still haven't measured the the tabung uji yet.. i think i might need at least 4".. u still have that much??

anyway what did u put those rods in?? did u use that water filter as shown in 'WPC dot com'? i keep staring at my engine bay but still couldn't figure out where to squeeze in the thing..

 

[jasonxxxin]

Wow this thread is getting more and more technical. some parts i am lost. anyway interesting to see the progress. As for SS material, i think you have to find those hardware shop that specialize in metal. if your have time maybe check out the engineering shops which may have scarp ss, maybe can get cheeper price. For ss bolts and nuts there is 1 shop in puchong (pass by there today) near the Taman Perindustrian Puchong which is specializing in nut & bolts, i am sure they will have some. About the price have to ask lar. hope this helps you ibeni05..

 

[ibeni05]

thx for the info, now that u mentioned it, i remembered that there is one shop over there.

but i just need some for testing. since icecube have some, might as well we share (i'll buy it from you of course icecube, pls pm me your contact no to call you), hate to see things go to waste.

as for ingredients i got the SS plates, a 'tabung uji' and some pipe connectors, and the final one is the SS threaded rods. though i'm still thinking 'bout the pwm circuit whether should i build it or not..??

 

[icecube]

are u sure you need only 4" ??? i use 10" (inch) each. :D its bloody hard to cut so do make sure you have the correct measurement. :D 4" i think still can cut few pcs out... have to measure the left over as i bend it (was giving it a try to make a spiral using the rod but failed as its was too hard to bend even when i heat it up until its HOT red).

And ya, u should build the PWM if u know how, then i will buy from u! hehe. i lazy to do that for the time being....

more update on my setup...

Dilute the water futher as i am previously running more then 25A of current (as my 20A kept blowing and once i switch to 25A it was OK). So i dilute the water futher (to get the baking soda more thinner ,in laymen term) so now i throw in a 15A fuse and its run well. Lesser gas but alot more cooler. Infact the wiring running at 25A (or between 20A to 25A) is quite hot to the touch. So abit worried about it getting fried or caught fire. But running at 15A (or below) is much safer (in my opinion). The gas output is significant.... something like water boiling bubble.

As far as FC , i only notice very slight increase probably less then 30km. My guess is the fuel injected is more (by the ecu due to the extra clean combustion caused by the hydro cell). I hate to say this , but i think EFI cars really need the EFIE module, or a SAFC to tune down the fuel injected.
Power wise, I hate to say, the car feels heavier then when running the hydro cell (very big reason is the extra fuel injected causing too rich condition thus giving bad power output). Dunno until i hook up a O2 monitor to check the ratio. But abit lazy on the CNY holiday mood now.. wahhahahaaaaaaa...... :P

 

[ibeni05]

That's just my guest :) need to have the item only then will make decision on how to build it. are u willing to let it go or just want to stock for next improvement? if you are willing pm me u'r contact with price?! need to have it before i drill the wrong size.. hehe

waaa?? why need to wait my effort to assemble the pwm?? dont want to waste it on pwm blows aa~~?? sure want to save some RM$$ for angpows right????

 

[donCityZ]

i still not recommend put the baking soda wei...
gas is a lot.. but how sure are u that the gas is 100% H and O only?
later ur engine parts corrode die lor. err... myabe good too, then
have reason to do engine swap hahaha

 

[icecube]

ibeni05,
i have spare, so u can have them (i'll cut them for u) if u can give the correct measurement in length. i'll put a photo up later to confirm ....

doncityz,
i tot they all put baking soda?? maybe that why the gas and hose are brownish after awhile of usage....... darn!

Good news is.... I got the EFIE circuit off Eagle Research. Not sure if i can built it..... is there anyone with good electronic knowledge can built them and sell them???? u can get the file for US$9 from Eagle Research . They need the money to fund their water car project .

 

[ibeni05]

hey icecube,.. have to wait.. i havn't measure the thing yet.. i'll get back to you 'bout that..

i got a friend here who is really into electronic & circuit stuff.. let me know if u're intereted & pls provide the details also.. so he can decide if he is able to build it for u..

 

[icecube]

ya bro, pls post ur email or his email so i can send u the file (roughly 3mb) so u can see if he or anyone can build one.