Myvi Lagi Best.....Modification

Selamat Hari Raya...

from myvi mods to vios to chilli and now hari raya....alamak ~ hahahahah

Well..lets talk about myvi mods..what adjustable suspension brand is good? I know every person has their own preferences...but mayb can share the pros and cons of some xxx brand and yyy brand?
 
If I had a myvi..

1) I would change 17" rims with good tyres
2) sport K&N air filter
3) Lowering kit
4) HID lights
5) Rockford Fosgate ICE(simple ones)
6) Bigger exhaust(but not too big)
7) Qmax Nano fuel and air(fuel saver product)

these would be my basic plans i i had a myvi due to my budget..:driver:
 
Why not? Just because it's front wheel powered doesn't mean the rear doesn't need grip. A properly fast FWD would need a wing in the rear (GT or otherwise).

Hmm.. for the sake of debate, let's discuss this (hopefully maturely!)

FWD grip is mostly needed at the front where the wheels are turned by the engine. In a "properly fast" car like you said the front wheels will need plenty of downforce to properly transfer the speed to the tarmac. The rear will need downforce for what purpose exactly? Sure it'll fling a bit and sure it'll need a little grip for the rear, but a GT wing? A ducktail would already be more than sufficient in my opinion. GT wings are kinda redundant until speeds above 160km/h (give or take) so anything slower than that it's just drag / resistance.

I personally think a FWD car will do better with a front splitter.
 
Hmm.. for the sake of debate, let's discuss this (hopefully maturely!)

FWD grip is mostly needed at the front where the wheels are turned by the engine. In a "properly fast" car like you said the front wheels will need plenty of downforce to properly transfer the speed to the tarmac. The rear will need downforce for what purpose exactly? Sure it'll fling a bit and sure it'll need a little grip for the rear, but a GT wing? A ducktail would already be more than sufficient in my opinion. GT wings are kinda redundant until speeds above 160km/h (give or take) so anything slower than that it's just drag / resistance.

I personally think a FWD car will do better with a front splitter.

agreed.....i like the front splitter, try to look for topgear 24hour race using their diesel power E46, front lose grip when the splitter was taken out...:driver:
 
http://www.boomplustoys.net/images/autoexe/Autoexe_Carbon_Front_Spoiler_Splitter_for_rx8.jpg

I always just find it nice and thought is just part of the bodykit as cosmetics...:hmmmm:
learnt something new today...

17"rims Myvi? Petrol too cheap? Indeed is for looks...just add more weight to the car...
 
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The thing about 17" is the tyres usually are 205 or more in width. The car is too light to full utilize that sort of width so you might actually have traction issues like some Wira SE with the stock 205/45/16 tyres. I used to skid so much with those width tyres and it was just plain scary.
 
The thing about 17" is the tyres usually are 205 or more in width. The car is too light to full utilize that sort of width so you might actually have traction issues like some Wira SE with the stock 205/45/16 tyres. I used to skid so much with those width tyres and it was just plain scary.

Too wide the tyre for a light weight car without much downforce? Sounds like problem with water pots on the road to me.
 
If I had a myvi..

1) I would change 17" rims with good tyres
2) sport K&N air filter
3) Lowering kit
4) HID lights
5) Rockford Fosgate ICE(simple ones)
6) Bigger exhaust(but not too big)
7) Qmax Nano fuel and air(fuel saver product)

these would be my basic plans i i had a myvi due to my budget..:driver:

1. good 17" tyres costs upwards of RM400 each. Pilot Sport 3, Brigestone Adrenaline, Goodyear F1 Directional/Asymmetrical.
2. Doesn't do anything.
3. With 17" you'll be scraping your fenders with wrong offset, and definitely scraping your bumpers over Malaysia's no standard speed breakers and parking ramps
4. I'll reverse into you with my 4WD if you glare me
5. Rockford damn expensive and not worth it. Malaysia prices are 2-3x of US retail prices
6. Noisy, defeats the purpose of 5)
7. This is useless. Adds weight to the car.

The thing about 17" is the tyres usually are 205 or more in width. The car is too light to full utilize that sort of width so you might actually have traction issues like some Wira SE with the stock 205/45/16 tyres. I used to skid so much with those width tyres and it was just plain scary.

I'll describe it in one word for you. Aquaplaning. :smokin:
 
Hmm.. for the sake of debate, let's discuss this (hopefully maturely!)

FWD grip is mostly needed at the front where the wheels are turned by the engine. In a "properly fast" car like you said the front wheels will need plenty of downforce to properly transfer the speed to the tarmac. The rear will need downforce for what purpose exactly? Sure it'll fling a bit and sure it'll need a little grip for the rear, but a GT wing? A ducktail would already be more than sufficient in my opinion. GT wings are kinda redundant until speeds above 160km/h (give or take) so anything slower than that it's just drag / resistance.

I personally think a FWD car will do better with a front splitter.


All this talk of FWD cars not needing a wing is a myth, and I am sick of it. Fast cars, regardless whether they are FWD, RWD, or 4WD, will need downforce for the front and rear.

Most FWD cars are very light at the rear, which would of course mean traction is less than ideal . This results in a car that's very prone to oversteer during cornes instead of the more stereotypical understeer (A FWD car? Oversteer!? True story). This is very apparent in high speed corners, where downforce plays a big part. And of course, like I said earlier, better stability under braking. More downforce results in less fidgeting when braking from high speeds. Light rear end+ No downforce + Uneven surface = Loose tail.

Generally, GT wing > Ducktail is simply because GT wings receive less turbulence because the surface of the wing is at a distance from the body of the car, meaning cleaner airflow for the spoiler. Cleaner air flow = effective aero. Unless the car has a sloping roof line, I doubt a ducktail spoiler would be of any help.

I never said front splitter is not needed. It is, however, just one piece of the puzzle. For effective aero, you'll need both front and rear downforce.

All of this, however, is of no relevance to a Myvi/Vios owner with 17" rims with colorful LEDs all around their ride...lol...

Sorry for TOT.
 
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All this talk of FWD cars not needing a wing is a myth, and I am sick of it. Fast cars, regardless whether they are FWD, RWD, or 4WD, will need downforce for the front and rear.

Most FWD cars are very light at the rear, which would of course mean traction is less than ideal . This results in a car that's very prone to oversteer during cornes instead of the more stereotypical understeer (A FWD car? Oversteer!? True story). This is very apparent in high speed corners, where downforce plays a big part. And of course, like I said earlier, better stability under braking. More downforce results in less fidgeting when braking from high speeds. Light rear end+ No downforce + Uneven surface = Loose tail.

Generally, GT wing > Ducktail is simply because GT wings receive less turbulence because the surface of the wing is at a distance from the body of the car, meaning cleaner airflow for the spoiler. Cleaner air flow = effective aero. Unless the car has a sloping roof line, I doubt a ducktail spoiler would be of any help.

I never said front splitter is not needed. It is, however, just one piece of the puzzle. For effective aero, you'll need both front and rear downforce.

All of this, however, is of no relevance to a Myvi/Vios owner with 17" rims with colorful LEDs all around their ride...lol...

Sorry for TOT.

Well, you're not wrong. But a GT wing on a FF car is less needed than it is on a FR. A spoiler would be sufficient I believe. Unless the FF car is a wira with V8 in it, a GT wing does not optimize its effect. Better spend money elsewhere like rear end diffuser rather than a GT - again, if we r not talking about 300bhp on a lightweight car.

Many people out there install GT wings just for the looks and to attract JPJ. Certainly it helps stabilizing your car, but is it worth it? I believe many install front splitter for the looks more than the aero effect too haha
 
Hehe, that's why I say "Properly Fast Car" instead of any ol FWD car. Wira IS NOT under this category..lol..And no need 300bhp, you can oversteer in a 200bhp FWD car, seriously. When I say oversteer, I don't mean spin and spun kind of oversteer, but controllable oversteer in corners, almost like drifting.

Rear end diffuser is only effective with a flat underbody, which is not practical for a road car. In fact, rear diffuser is much,much more 'sensitive' to other parts in regards to turbulence in order for it to work compared to GT wing. If a Gt wing is novice level, a diffuser is akin to expert level already.

Also, I wasn't trying to imply GT Wing> spoiler or anything like that. All I'm saying is Rear spoiler+FWD Car = Ricer is just not true. FWD car also needs downforce at the rear just as much as RWD car does.

As for people installing generic GT wing on their car, it is definitely a look thing, or Ah Beng/Ricer. Most of those parts are not wind-tunnel tested, so there's really no proof to say they even work. Unless of course you're talking about Mugen, Voltex, J's Racing and the like...hehe
 
unless the GT Wing was installed on a specific car and the whole car was tested in a wind tunnel, all GT Wings are decoration only.

one example is Voltex of Japan, they test their stuff at Mie University's wind tunnel. So if you buy a Voltex GT Wing designed for a Evo, you're guaranteed its not clothes hanger.

Mugen might have done wind tunnel testing on select products (they do have access to it). I doubt J's Racing have access to a wind tunnel but I might be wrong.

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and to add, no, if you buy a voltex gt wing and bolt it on a myvi, it is still a clothes hanger. the WHOLE car AND the gt wing must be tested together for actual benefit.
 
200hp can be considered as fast cars depending what model it is lol..can make our mom screams already :rofl:

I agree that a rear end diffuser is a higher level of mods. And if I were not mistaken, it's illegal to have such mods? Please correct me if I'm wrong. A GT wing on any car improves downforce. This is for sure, proving the design of the GT wing is correct. Bernoulli's principle isn't that difficult to implement anyway. And to have the products tested in a wind tunnel, well not many companies have that previlage to do that. And their product will often cost more. Imagine Team Caterham got into problems with Force India because of wind tunnel issue....

Spoiler on a car does look great sometimes..but it might not serve its full purpose IMHO. Moreover a Myvi, or even worse, a kembara lol..I'd seen one with GT wing before and it's really a torture to the car
 
I guess all of us have our views, but ultimately all of our views boils down to these points :

1. GT wings work for downforce if properly manufactured and tested
2. GT wings work best for RWD to provide rear wheels good traction
3. GT wings help provide some suitable downforce for the rear if your car is capable of going at such speeds to utilize the wing
4. GT wings on the wrong car looks like crap.

Agreed? :biggrin:

The best GT wing combination I've ever seen is on an alphard. :hehe: biggest joke of the year!
 
unless the GT Wing was installed on a specific car and the whole car was tested in a wind tunnel, all GT Wings are decoration only.

one example is Voltex of Japan, they test their stuff at Mie University's wind tunnel. So if you buy a Voltex GT Wing designed for a Evo, you're guaranteed its not clothes hanger.

Mugen might have done wind tunnel testing on select products (they do have access to it). I doubt J's Racing have access to a wind tunnel but I might be wrong.

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and to add, no, if you buy a voltex gt wing and bolt it on a myvi, it is still a clothes hanger. the WHOLE car AND the gt wing must be tested together for actual benefit.

Yep, not sure about J's Racing myself..but Mugen do test their aero (with a scale model, I believe). Not as effective as full scale model, but what to do, better than nothing I guess.

Voltex is renowned for their aero parts, so nothing to add there.

Some test their parts using CFD (like my university Le Mans car), and goes racing without proper wind-tunnel work...so maybe it works but not as effective or substantial as full fledge wind tunnel F1 teams love to use.
 
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