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[VictorGR]

so vic u coming out this upcoming fri night?

maybe, see how 1st

 

[vladimir]

maybe, see how 1st

frankly speaking , im still new in forming a team. so i need u guys to help~ atleast we got a real team rite? when go to contest oso got form ma~

or not ppl will ask u , which team u belong to? ..

mostly we would blurp out " arrrrggg....me lonesome or threesome "

about sticker and t-shirt i got kangtao lo~ just need to think of a nice drift team name.

then need a good lecturer to teach us drifting....

that's a very important thing to learn when emergency cornering...:_:

 

[HealingBox]

play drift ... at least u needed to own a RWD car ...
FWD car only can perform e-brake and feint/inertia drift and it is very limitation drift and harder to control compare to RWD car...

 

[Sky_Legend]

play drift ... at least u needed to own a RWD car ...
FWD car only can perform e-brake and feint/inertia drift and it is very limitation drift and harder to control compare to RWD car...

exectly...correct...

at least a FR (Front engine Rear Wheel drive) car...

or 4WD (4 Wheel Drive) car...

or MR (Mid Engine Rear Wheel drive)...

NOT FF (Front Engine Front Wheel drive) cars...

 

[HealingBox]

the top choice of drift car is RWD ( FR , RR , MR) then following by 4WD or AWD , the last is FWD...
RWD is easy to oversteer because its drive train and weight distribution...
FWD is not easy to oversteer but understeer...


but nowadays ... where to get RWD with 100+ hp for play drift ?

 

[VictorGR]

frankly speaking , im still new in forming a team. so i need u guys to help~ atleast we got a real team rite? when go to contest oso got form ma~

or not ppl will ask u , which team u belong to? ..

mostly we would blurp out " arrrrggg....me lonesome or threesome "

about sticker and t-shirt i got kangtao lo~ just need to think of a nice drift team name.

then need a good lecturer to teach us drifting....

that's a very important thing to learn when emergency cornering...:_:

no team also nevermind 1 what, when ppl asked just reply i belong to team "me, myself and I"

BY THE WAY WHATS WITH THE DORIFTO THINGGY, WHY FORM TEAM MUST DORIFTO OR A DRIFT TEAM WHY CANOT RUN TRACK OR AUTOCROSS ETC???

 

[VictorGR]

the top choice of drift car is RWD ( FR , RR , MR) then following by 4WD or AWD , the last is FWD...
RWD is easy to oversteer because its drive train and weight distribution...
FWD is not easy to oversteer but understeer...


but nowadays ... where to get RWD with 100+ hp for play drift ?

haha, for my exp i stil thing that FF is easier and faster to counter back from a slide

RWD beter to drive due to weight distribution??? what's the different within a front mount engine rear driven car and a front mount engine front driven car?? both also front engine mah???

FWD not easy to oversteer? wan to try my setting?

where to get a 100+bhp FR, can no problem coz less then 10k

 

[Sky_Legend]

haha, for my exp i stil thing that FF is easier and faster to counter back from a slide

RWD beter to drive due to weight distribution??? what's the different within a front mount engine rear driven car and a front mount engine front driven car?? both also front engine mah???

FWD not easy to oversteer? wan to try my setting?

where to get a 100+bhp FR, can no problem coz less then 10k

FF drift is not really a drift...it's a BUANG or TAIL THROWING...

sometimes, buang with FF does not require counter steering at all. i must say, FF drift can be unpredictable sometimes.

well, u might argue about car settings...yes lo...car settings can make the FF car drift like normal FR. but still, it's not fully controlled. It's the skill of the driver. timing, weight-shifting, speed. all must be at correct time.

if drift while racing, i mean like drift un-intentionally during speed cornering, sure FF is going to be easier to counter and faster response back.

but, talking about real drifting, it belongs to FR or MR. 4WD also fun...

front mount engine rear wheel driven is the car having rear wheels pushing the car. (front wheels free roll)

front mount engine front wheel driven is the car having front wheels pushing the car. (rear wheels free roll)

actually, i have the feeling that, u are the speed type of driver (not style driving)...please correct me if i'm wrong. you would prefer fast drift in which u can get back into line fast. in fact, drift causes huge reduction in speed.

cheers...

 

[VictorGR]

FF drift is not really a drift...it's a BUANG or TAIL THROWING...

sometimes, buang with FF does not require counter steering at all. i must say, FF drift can be unpredictable sometimes.

well, u might argue about car settings...yes lo...car settings can make the FF car drift like normal FR. but still, it's not fully controlled. It's the skill of the driver. timing, weight-shifting, speed. all must be at correct time.

if drift while racing, i mean like drift un-intentionally during speed cornering, sure FF is going to be easier to counter and faster response back.

but, talking about real drifting, it belongs to FR or MR. 4WD also fun...

front mount engine rear wheel driven is the car having rear wheels pushing the car. (front wheels free roll)

front mount engine front wheel driven is the car having front wheels pushing the car. (rear wheels free roll)

actually, i have the feeling that, u are the speed type of driver (not style driving)...please correct me if i'm wrong. you would prefer fast drift in which u can get back into line fast. in fact, drift causes huge reduction in speed.

cheers...

i know FF dosen't drift, thats why i stated there "slide" slide=fish tail a.k.a buang and by the way how do u consider if it is a drift or a slide???

i know what is a FF and FR just wondering what does he mean by FR better weight distibution for drift then FR?

and if proper setting FF slide can also be predictable

yes, drift thus reduce alot of speed

and yes i'm the type that rather go round the track as fast as i can rather then as "photo or show nice" as possible, no offen to drifters

 

[vladimir]

i know FF dosen't drift, thats why i stated there "slide" slide=fish tail a.k.a buang and by the way how do u consider if it is a drift or a slide???

i know what is a FF and FR just wondering what does he mean by FR better weight distibution for drift then FR?

and if proper setting FF slide can also be predictable

yes, drift thus reduce alot of speed

and yes i'm the type that rather go round the track as fast as i can rather then as "photo or show nice" as possible, no offen to drifters

just now went to BM ... joe shown me a place very good for us~ those who love drift or dream to drift.....hehehehe... :cyclops:

 

[HealingBox]

the RWD weight distribution is i meaning the MR and RR , the weight center point more on rear side will make the car easier to throw out

yeah ... the proper setting will do the FF drift well ... but what i mean is ... RWD car is the best for drifting..

drift do reduce speed but it increase the angle of turning before turn out the corner...

anyway , i still lack of experience about that ... all is jus my opinion...

here is an article about drifting from wikipedia .. quite lots of info ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_%28motorsport%29
heel and toe technique
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_and_toe
setting for car handling ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_handling#Aftermarket_modifications_and_adjustments_to_affect_handling

 

[VictorGR]

the RWD weight distribution is i meaning the MR and RR , the weight center point more on rear side will make the car easier to throw out

yeah ... the proper setting will do the FF drift well ... but what i mean is ... RWD car is the best for drifting..

drift do reduce speed but it increase the angle of turning before turn out the corner...

anyway , i still lack of experience about that ... all is jus my opinion...

here is an article about drifting from wikipedia .. quite lots of info ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_%28motorsport%29
heel and toe technique
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_and_toe
setting for car handling ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_handling#Aftermarket_modifications_and_adjustments_to_affect_handling

for me i think FR are better at drifting is becoz the rear tyres are spining easy to lose grip and while its pushing the front counter. Since FF the front is pulling and turning at the same time so eventualy it have a understeer syndrome.

Its nothing to do bout FR and FF car weight distribution, is how as a driver u weight shift the car.

If like that the FMR layout would be the most fav drift mech

 

[VictorGR]

haha, finish reading the wikipedia thinggy d

so, according to wikipedia FF "buang" also conisder as DRIFT as mention in this sentence

"Drifting refers either to a driving technique utilizing a difference in slip angle between the front and rear tires of a car" coz when FF "buang" the front and rear tires slip angle are also different


And does anyone realy understand what its trying to say bout "heel and toe". Coz for me understanding thoery is 1 thing, but applying in real life is another thing. I did try heel and toe for like 1month everyday every time i downshift my gear for any reson to realy archieve and get it smooth.

 

[HealingBox]

if i am not mistaken , FF and FR , in small and short corner might can do nearly same effect of drift . But FF cant do long drift it will harder to control if compare with FR. The control which is meaning the angle of turning ... FR can easily control the angle by cluthing , accelerate ...

just my 2 cent :D

 

[VictorGR]

if i am not mistaken , FF and FR , in small and short corner might can do nearly same effect of drift . But FF cant do long drift it will harder to control if compare with FR. The control which is meaning the angle of turning ... FR can easily control the angle by cluthing , accelerate ...

just my 2 cent :D

aiya that of cozlah, FR rear is pushing and FF front is pulling what

simple experiment, go shopping mall, try pushing the pushcart easy to turn rite, then try puliing the cart from the front and turn then see what will happend

 

[HealingBox]

Yup , the FF does drift by inertia and e-brake ...

the heel and toe technique(press clutch , brake , oil at the same time) is used to do maximize accelerate after the corner apex point . Clutching and braking used to maintain the car turning angle and speed , the pedal(accelerate) to keep the rev/RPM at high rate for the power to accelerate after apex point.

 

[HealingBox]

aiya that of cozlah, FR rear is pushing and FF front is pulling what

simple experiment, go shopping mall, try pushing the pushcart easy to turn rite, then try puliing the cart from the front and turn then see what will happend

ehehehe ... that is what i meaning :regular_smile:

but one more thing is FR has more type of drift and technique if refers to the wikipedia page... such as clutching for lost grip to drift ...

 

[VictorGR]

Yup , the FF does drift by inertia and e-brake ...

the heel and toe technique(press clutch , brake , oil at the same time) is used to do maximize accelerate after the corner apex point . Clutching and braking used to maintain the car turning angle and speed , the pedal(accelerate) to keep the rev/RPM at high rate for the power to accelerate after apex point.

very blur with your heel and toe explanation

according to my exp on track(where i don't go that often). Heel and toe is mainly a tech for u to rev match while downshifting(pls don't confuse this with drift, it has nothing to do with drift, in fact when your drifiting and your car is side ways just direct shift down, no ned heel and toe, at least thats what i remember Zee did).

rev matching helps u to prevent clutch failure and less stress on your gb(specialy when your in track or driving high bhp cars). And yes it also helps keep your engine in the power range when downshifting and not over rev while we usualy get by just shifting down

 

[VictorGR]

ehehehe ... that is what i meaning :regular_smile:

but one more thing is FR has more type of drift and technique if refers to the wikipedia page... such as clutching for lost grip to drift ...

or u can just go join 1 of DCM's drift clinic where Profesor Zee will be teaching u how to dorifto

 

[HealingBox]

i know it is nothing to do with drift , but mainly the skill have 2 usage , 1st one is as u mentioned ... downshifting . 2nd is i mentioned ...

how to explain ...

normally ,before the corner apex , if u downshift and brake until reach the apex point , your RPM will not at the highest rev which mean will not getting the max power of accelerate after the apex point ...
in heel and toe , before the corner , u downshift enough and still braking and this time u clucth and rev it to max RPM (this moment is very near the apex point and only using brake to maintain speed) ... so when you reach the apex point ... your RPM is at highest rev ...