Review: Firestorm Ignition Coil Booster
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Wow! second hand still RM400
I though market price is 200-250 somthing >.< But the transparent packing make me felt so uncomfortable as a consumer, there is nothing else listed
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His is the Hot Inazma volt stabilizer, not FS...
sorry :embarassed:
Of course plug into ignition fuse place. What I am saying is the fuse type also same so no need cut wire.
Don't expect me to plug in my ICE fuse so I get faster bass?
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I though market price is 200-250 somthing >.< But the transparent packing make me felt so uncomfortable as a consumer, there is nothing else listed
I think I know why already. Why I didn't thought of it earlier.
Producing these without any legal paperwork can skip a lot of unnecessary taxes.
Cleverly done.
As it is interesting to read the hot discussions on this mysterious gadget, I got a little urge to say a few words of my unworthy opinion.
Pivot Mega RAIZIN, a reputable Japanese electronic VS, has detailed product description and even its casing is transparent for all to see what ding dong is inside. Warranty by its maker.
All reputable coilover makers (such as TEIN, even our local boy TITAN) detail their product construction and how it work to improve performance. And come with product warranty by its makers.
Comp Turbo, the first compay to make an oil less turbo charger which is a new thing (as far as i know) is not shy to reveal its construction to some details and gives warranty.
Ultra Racing who produces chassis bars, being just some iron bars, gives warranty.
But FireStorm, anyone here and in this world know the original manufacturer and where to claim warranty asides from the sellers/dealers? Yes I will claim from the seller if this gadget fails. Can I claim from the seller if my whole car is burned down due to faulty gadget? My insurance company won't honor the claim because it is a modification. A nearby car being a collateral damage is suing me for damages. Bandaraya is also taking me to court for damaging the traffic light from my burning car. A passerby is also claiming for injury caused by flying debris from my blown car. So I have no one to turn to except the seller who has claimed to provide warranty. Guess in this situation, what would you get from the seller/dealer?
It may be a bit of exaggeration but a proper and truly reliable product should have revealed every necessary and legally bound information to consumer. Even though this gadget is claimed to be so good and powerful yet the maker who is the ultimate responsible party is so afraid and unwilling to reveal itself (for whatever reasons) should make you think not twice but thousands times over before you want t let it inside your car. Until then, we are just the pioneer genie pigs of this mysterious product.
Pivot Mega RAIZIN, a reputable Japanese electronic VS, has detailed product description and even its casing is transparent for all to see what ding dong is inside. Warranty by its maker.
All reputable coilover makers (such as TEIN, even our local boy TITAN) detail their product construction and how it work to improve performance. And come with product warranty by its makers.
Comp Turbo, the first compay to make an oil less turbo charger which is a new thing (as far as i know) is not shy to reveal its construction to some details and gives warranty.
Ultra Racing who produces chassis bars, being just some iron bars, gives warranty.
But FireStorm, anyone here and in this world know the original manufacturer and where to claim warranty asides from the sellers/dealers? Yes I will claim from the seller if this gadget fails. Can I claim from the seller if my whole car is burned down due to faulty gadget? My insurance company won't honor the claim because it is a modification. A nearby car being a collateral damage is suing me for damages. Bandaraya is also taking me to court for damaging the traffic light from my burning car. A passerby is also claiming for injury caused by flying debris from my blown car. So I have no one to turn to except the seller who has claimed to provide warranty. Guess in this situation, what would you get from the seller/dealer?
It may be a bit of exaggeration but a proper and truly reliable product should have revealed every necessary and legally bound information to consumer. Even though this gadget is claimed to be so good and powerful yet the maker who is the ultimate responsible party is so afraid and unwilling to reveal itself (for whatever reasons) should make you think not twice but thousands times over before you want t let it inside your car. Until then, we are just the pioneer genie pigs of this mysterious product.
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One big problem with all these aftermarket VS, booster etc stuff is they are are mostly very simple electronic devices and many of them use poor quality components but sell at ridiculous price. I am not sure if they could be patented in the first place as well as many designs are not original.
Take VS for eg. Its mostly just capacitors put together into a box. Thats the way to stabilise voltage and reduce ripples. Entire industry is doing it. Not just VS. Power supplies related products all have some form of VS built in to regulate voltage.
Then there is ignition voltage booster. Nothing rocket science (yet to seen one). They are just DC voltage converters. Convert your 12-14V from your alternator and boost it to 16V or higher. Since an ignition coil just a transformer (low to high voltage), a higher primary voltage naturally give a higher secondary voltage. So spark can jump a longer distance and overcome higher resistance. CDI works the same way.
Some are coil boosters which uses capacitors. Connect the capacitors to the primary coil resulting in a higher current supplied to the primary side, so secondary side gets more current and spark becomes more powerful.
Btw, youtube has plenty of video to show pple how to use capacitors and other things to boost ignition.
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Although I am not sure how this firestorm work, I am pretty certain its based on those principles. Hence, I do believe the product does work as advertised.
Why I am avoiding it is because of reliability, not performance. I am not sure what is inside, whether product has been extensively tested to ensure reliability even under extreme conditions. Can it work for 100K w/o any issues?
Then I am also uncertain if my other components could match with the booster. Is my coil still operating within specs so it won't fail prematurely? Can I use an aftermarket coil better suited for the booster? Still got spark plugs also.
Another important factor is noise generated. We all know why spark plugs contain a resistor inside. Why spark plug cables are designed in a certain way (material and coiling) and why the cables have resistance even though all these resistance actually weakens the spark itself.
Non-resistor plugs, silver plated solid wire plug cables etc all can increase spark plug, why can't we use them for our car to increase power despite it being able to increase power and perhaps even reduce fuel consumption?
Err..cable and wires have resistance because they just have it. No cable is free of resistance yet. It's not because they want to.
Sometimes you feel something is so simple but cost so much is because humans will take things for granted. Now that you know how a VS consists of and how it works, it makes no sense to you why it costs so much. Yes the actual cost is low, I agree. But if you are to make one that can perform like a Mega Raizin, are you able to do so? With time, I believe you can but not many people will actually committed to actually do it right. For example, a DVD is only made of plastic, but it did so much wonders to our world. How much does the plastic actually costs?
Reliability and durability on FS, unfortunately only time could tell as there is no test from the maker and they doesn't provide any written first hand information directly at all. The marketing is done by all the dealers n distributors. Since we can't do much bout that, we would like to see how well it works to I prove one's ride. That is why the pages we have created.
One more thing is that I do not understand why did you say that VS doesn't work. Maybe you could elaborate what did you expect from the VS? Coz as far as my noob knowledge goes, a VS is a voltage regulator...just to regulate voltage. You give too much voltage to some certain electronics, burn...the capacitors are not to pump up the voltage...it's to make sure the output voltage is constant by absorbing fluctuating voltage and then discharge constant voltage. The bigger the cap, the more current and voltage it can stores just like a battery.
Spark plug cables are specially constructed to cut down RFI and EMI generated. The same for spark plugs. This is why they have high resistance.
If you measure a spark plug cable compared to a normal cable, you will find that spark plug cables have much higher resistance. Spark plugs for street use have a 5K ohm resistor as well. This does weaken the spark generated but more importantly reduce RFI and EMI so it does not cause problems to your car's electronics.
I am sure you are also aware of this brand called Nology. They are quite popular for their silver plugs and so-called capacitor cables that improve performance. Unfortunately, their products also caused problems in some cars. This is because their silver plugs do no have a resistor built-in (in order to produce more powerful spark). Then the cables are of shoddy quality as well.
I use Nology before. It works very well right after I installed it. Powerful spark, good acceleration. But after 1+yr, problems appear. I get engine check light at times, car won't start at times. Idling problem. Turns out its the cables, I replace i with the aerospeed cables and problems go away.
After that, I take apart the Nology cable to reveal its construction. Its of rather shoddy quality. A piece of metal braid cover over a ~8mm plug wire to act as capacitor. Thats all. The cables cost me ~RM1K..... Ridiculous money for such cables.
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For VS, I started out not knowing anything. Bought things to try and play, open them up to see the internal construction. You bet I spend alot on VS stuff.
Yes, VS are voltage regulators, they reduce voltage fluctuations (since alternator voltage varies wildly and there is alot of noise). But bigger caps need not be better. You need a mix of big and small caps. Big caps are better suited for low frequency fluctuations, small ones for high frequency. But its very difficult to design one that is suited for car as I do not have proper equipment (need oscilloscope to capture the ripples).
As for why they don't work, well I expect some difference from my butt dyno, but there is nothing. I tried Raizin (the blue one), then hot Inazma MR, Violence VSD. All nothing at all.
Big issue for VS is reliability. You don't know what capacitors they are using inside. Yes, you see the capacitors inside clear plastic. But what capacitors are they using? Engine bay temp is easily 80C, how long can the capacitors operate under the condition? Those caps look awfully like electrolytic capacitors. What I don't like about the caps is they some are rated at 80C only. There are those 105C ones. But problem is they have finite lifespan as electrolyte evaporates over time.
Tantalum caps will work very well under such situations but they are expensive.
Btw, I do have the raizin ignition VS (the red colour one). It has been in my car for 3yrs, so far so good. The Inazma MR is still connected to my batt (though it does nothing other than show me blinking lights). Inazma still ok as I relocate my batt to trunk so temp is not an issue.
Lastly, I am someone who always love to try out new stuff. All these VS, ignition booster stuff interest me greatly. Right now, although I am skeptical about this firestorm, but I am actually itching to try out.
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Ya, I just want it to regulate the voltage smoothly.
Ya, is not cheap. Just hope to get one that does it job, ONly know brands like VS, Hot Inazma and Qmax which Leona Chin is using in her car.
Then what about Qmax, some can cost up to RM1K and claim by many it does improve performance and so. What's your opinion on this? I'm not sure but my mech told me after installed he felt the difference. Is either u choose to have more torque or more top speed. Choose either one.
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Nice, a date will be great, won't fry my car right? Just kidding 
Just kidding
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Oh, my bad, I should have said, either low end power or choose high end power range for the Qmax.
IMHO, Qmax is not worth the money regardless of what it does. I have never tried Qmax before but the instant you said it cost RM1K, I would say forget it. Its a waste of money.
IF you want power, why don't you go thru proven methods?
Rm1k+ can already get a decent piggy back which can remap to get real power improvement and maybe even better FC at the same time too.
Agreed. Tuning will get you better FC and more power than any VS or whatever booster stuff out there. Its proven and it works.
Stock tuning would usually gives the best FC. Tuning can increase power for sure, but with FC at cost most of the case.
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