Touge time: Toyota 86 first drive up genting highlands - with on board video

[jimmyae101]

Best video....bro

 

[HBS]

Tom,are tihis new 86' have the inspiring confident in term of handling as the RX-8?

If it as equal as the RX-8,I wouldnt be bothered by the lack of HP figures.I been tracked my Z33 for quite sometimes(All OEM 04' Ver.S,6spd,bone stock without any mod) & I found out that I really in love with my RX-8 even more despite it was AT.(09' 6AT,bone stock without any mod)

The cornering beyond 120km/h at b-route like Klawang(Since I live nearby,& using the road everyday to go to work) is always tractable & really inspiring.The confident level that the chassis & steering communication make it easy to push the RX-8 around 135 km/h at averange which is good since my Z33 had problem to pass way beyond that especially on tightly-S bend kind of corner,despite having more power to be abused.

The level of confidents is far more important than outright horsepower,since you can never enjoyed the car that only can perform at straight line but only mediocore or not gaining you enough inspiration or confident level needed to push the car even further at cornering.(Just like when I riding a bike,I not really into speed even most of the bike had more than enough capability to do that,but it was the cornering that matter)

If it has the good-going feeling in both communicative steering & chasiss feedback,I would consider this one as the replacement for my Z33.(I still had an amazing feels when driving either my NSX/RX-8 using the b-road when going to take my liltle sister in school,since it just,the level of communicative between the chassis & road are pretty much better than my Z33 even both car had slightly LESS horsepower & TQ number compared to the Z!)

 

[duhill]

It is very obvious that the driver in the video did not maximize the power of the 86 la.... E30 in less than 6 mins, you pay the police to clear the traffic? Or only your mouth take less than 6 mins?

An honest timing of my classic Mini Cooper with 1275cc engine took ~10:27-10:30 from last hump at the guardpost to last right turn before the Police force hostel. It is slow but the enjoyment is what matters. When I passed by Starbucks I heard "Wah, this car still can come genting".

For those who blamed your grandpa din't buy the AE86 in 1980s and keep it for you. Now it's your chance to spend RM249K to buy one and keep for your grandchild so that they don't blame you when this car appear in future Initial E.

I love 86 and here's some more photos I found:
Toyota 86

My favorite pic is this one:

 

[pk47]

I personally can tell u 86 is a dam fast car at the corner, after the chase from the down hill and I can tell u this car had a best handling among all model in the current market and none of any car can compare with it, because the new 86 had it own unique handling and it easy to control by entry driver, it can fly at corners with an amateur driver behind the steering wheel. Cheers.

 

[Tom]

C'mon people its obvious if you look at the video, the lines and the driving is somewhat relaxed. It's not setting a laptime or anything, just taking a feel of the car, getting acquainted with it.

honestly, that was my intention when i brought the 86 up Genting the first time. I shall await my next outing with a manual 86 to see how a much purer example would fare. i'm confident that'll it'll do a 6:30.

back to the video, again honestly, i can't blame the haters a 100%. it just seems drama-less but that's because it was. At the corners, it was insanely composed. perhaps more than most performance FFs out there including the FD2R. The 86 didn't have the RE070 like the FD2R but imagine if it did.

Tom,are tihis new 86' have the inspiring confident in term of handling as the RX-8?

If it as equal as the RX-8,I wouldnt be bothered by the lack of HP figures.I been tracked my Z33 for quite sometimes(All OEM 04' Ver.S,6spd,bone stock without any mod) & I found out that I really in love with my RX-8 even more despite it was AT.(09' 6AT,bone stock without any mod)

The cornering beyond 120km/h at b-route like Klawang(Since I live nearby,& using the road everyday to go to work) is always tractable & really inspiring.The confident level that the chassis & steering communication make it easy to push the RX-8 around 135 km/h at averange which is good since my Z33 had problem to pass way beyond that especially on tightly-S bend kind of corner,despite having more power to be abused.

The level of confidents is far more important than outright horsepower,since you can never enjoyed the car that only can perform at straight line but only mediocore or not gaining you enough inspiration or confident level needed to push the car even further at cornering.(Just like when I riding a bike,I not really into speed even most of the bike had more than enough capability to do that,but it was the cornering that matter)

If it has the good-going feeling in both communicative steering & chasiss feedback,I would consider this one as the replacement for my Z33.(I still had an amazing feels when driving either my NSX/RX-8 using the b-road when going to take my liltle sister in school,since it just,the level of communicative between the chassis & road are pretty much better than my Z33 even both car had slightly LESS horsepower & TQ number compared to the Z!)

I didn't have much time with the RX-8 but i'd say pretty similar in feel and character. they have almost the same layout and engine position. But because of the RX-8's passenger practicality with the special 4 doors, it would have suffered in body rigidity. Then again, the RX-8 is now a decade old, so the 86 in this current era would have advanced in most aspects, and it certainly translates to driving feel.

You have an NSX?

An honest timing of my classic Mini Cooper with 1275cc engine took ~10:27-10:30 from last hump at the guardpost to last right turn before the Police force hostel. It is slow but the enjoyment is what matters. When I passed by Starbucks I heard "Wah, this car still can come genting".

 

[csl]

Just another coupe freshly rolled out from the factory to the market. New car price is ok la compare to other cars. Under perform can be solved by turbo kit right after this or if you can't wait, get 2 gas tanks fitted in the boot. Aftermarket parts will flood in after a while. Looks ugly can buy bodykit. Pay RM20 over K and monthly installment at RM2k+, cannot expect much. If don't like can always buy other car.

I'll not buy cause it is not my cup of tea. CRZ looks better and after the K20A transplant, lightweight wheels, bars, suspension and etc mods, still have plenty money left before reach RM200k Want something high end, there is a Maserati selling for less than RM150k. Real world is somehow too crude

 

[HBS]

honestly, that was my intention when i brought the 86 up Genting the first time. I shall await my next outing with a manual 86 to see how a much purer example would fare. i'm confident that'll it'll do a 6:30.

back to the video, again honestly, i can't blame the haters a 100%. it just seems drama-less but that's because it was. At the corners, it was insanely composed. perhaps more than most performance FFs out there including the FD2R. The 86 didn't have the RE070 like the FD2R but imagine if it did.



I didn't have much time with the RX-8 but i'd say pretty similar in feel and character. they have almost the same layout and engine position. But because of the RX-8's passenger practicality with the special 4 doors, it would have suffered in body rigidity. Then again, the RX-8 is now a decade old, so the 86 in this current era would have advanced in most aspects, and it certainly translates to driving feel.

You have an NSX?

Thanks for the feedback.The RX8 is very special car since while it not that powerful(what else mine was 6AT) but the level of confidence it bring when you speed up into the corner,you can actually feel the steering really communicative altogether with the chassis,which is always make me amaze with the car.I not a fast driver myself,but I do have a couple of trackday with both 2 wheels & 4 wheels(I started riding performance bike since 17 years old & since then I would going for trackday if my allowance allowed me to do so) & since my first ever RWD sportscar was Z33(Great car,but it lack steering feels & mostly just like many Nissan car,it felt heavier to take the quick S-type turn,& the numb' steering feels doesnt inspired you a confidence to push it more & the car can quickly lose a grip with speed more than 120km/h on the corner as for my trackday experience with bone stock Z33.)

I still think that part of Mazda RX sportscar handle so well might have to do with the rotary engine that was so smooth in higher rev as motorcycle engine & not to mention,the overall dimension are so small for the engine that had 200 plus horses & that contributed to overall lightness & chasiss rigidty as well.(I still,love this car especially when attacking the corner at Klawang b-road behind my house.Handling wise is pretty much like the NSX,but as the NSX is mid engined car & have 2 seat,I still have my big kudos for Mazda engineer for making such an aspiring car that easily built a confidence for its driver to push the car even further.)

Yes,my NSX are rare 91' Grand Prix White.(since 91' in Malaysia is always in red colour or repainted)
& it comes with few rare mod too.But I was thinking for MT conversion with either a JDM short ratio 5spd manual or E61 multi clutch 02+ 6spd but it might be too costly since 02'+ onward are still considered as rare model due to the little production before being ceased)

I slowly on my way of making the NSX back to its original condition.I love a great looking car but I not really keen on having an aftermarket look" on my car as many do.But since the NSX is hard to find,I just need to finish my hunt with a "molested" one like I had now(Luckily previous owner didnt put a widebodykit or else I would be damned to have the car restored!)

 

[stormlcc]

It's because UMW Toyota wanted us to try out their top-of-the-range 86 before sampling the manual. I should be able to get a feel just 1 day prior to the TIMETOATTACK R2 on the 22nd of this month.



that would be someone else I think





Can we all not be so quick to judge?

The video was trimmed down and it just so happened it stopped dead on at 8 mins, as trimmed via Youtube Enhancements. Fine it's sort of a timing data but It is never meant to be a statistic for comparison.

Where are the official start / finish points? Okay i guess for GTJ-GH it's typically the last hump at the guardpost. Now where's the Finish? Is there one at all? Coffee Bean? Old Town Coffee? The Peak? I'd rather be safer and use the entry for the last right turn before the Police force hostel (i think). That would mean somewhere in the range of 7:18-7:20. Still not exciting for you I'm sure.

Like I said, This is a FIRST drive and it's not a qualifying lap of any sort. But if one should feel like comparing, then please cut the video, the car and me some slack. Maybe you'd rather a boring video like that not be posted. But look, it's for everyone else. Some people like to take it smooth, some prefer intense action and tyre screeching drama. I'm the first one especially when testing someone else's (UMW's) car. It's easy to tell from the video that the driver (me) hadn't take every single opportunity to maximize the 86 on the straights, in traffic on every single corner. In a perfect scenario, I think the new 86 in manual should do easy mid 6mins.

I generally do about 6:30 in a 2002 MINI Cooper S when i drive up for coffee and cool breeze. This is keeping in mind respect is shown and space is given to other road users around. A stock FD2R should manage low 6 mins. I've been in a 600+ hp 997 GT2 and that did 5:50 at 4am with almost zero-traffic.

Like everyone else, I'd sure like to see footages of you in your E30 doing less than 6 mins. It'll be a highly commendable effort for sure.

wow, suddenly so many ppl post here. i couldn't read all of them, but managed to grab this post (in bold). that says it all. if u know the roads and in midnight with minimum traffic, 6 min or below can be done and has been done many times before, starting point 1st checkpoint right after coming out from Karak highway, end point right after crossing the first bump at Resort Hotel. and fyi my E30 isn't using stock engine.

sorry didn't record anything because I don't have the tools at the time, we did this so often nobody ever thought about doing a video (like I said average once a week going up and down for so many years)

 

[Tom]

Thanks for the feedback.The RX8 is very special car since while it not that powerful(what else mine was 6AT) but the level of confidence it bring when you speed up into the corner,you can actually feel the steering really communicative altogether with the chassis,which is always make me amaze with the car.I not a fast driver myself,but I do have a couple of trackday with both 2 wheels & 4 wheels(I started riding performance bike since 17 years old & since then I would going for trackday if my allowance allowed me to do so) & since my first ever RWD sportscar was Z33(Great car,but it lack steering feels & mostly just like many Nissan car,it felt heavier to take the quick S-type turn,& the numb' steering feels doesnt inspired you a confidence to push it more & the car can quickly lose a grip with speed more than 120km/h on the corner as for my trackday experience with bone stock Z33.)

I still think that part of Mazda RX sportscar handle so well might have to do with the rotary engine that was so smooth in higher rev as motorcycle engine & not to mention,the overall dimension are so small for the engine that had 200 plus horses & that contributed to overall lightness & chasiss rigidty as well.(I still,love this car especially when attacking the corner at Klawang b-road behind my house.Handling wise is pretty much like the NSX,but as the NSX is mid engined car & have 2 seat,I still have my big kudos for Mazda engineer for making such an aspiring car that easily built a confidence for its driver to push the car even further.)

Yes,my NSX are rare 91' Grand Prix White.(since 91' in Malaysia is always in red colour or repainted)
& it comes with few rare mod too.But I was thinking for MT conversion with either a JDM short ratio 5spd manual or E61 multi clutch 02+ 6spd but it might be too costly since 02'+ onward are still considered as rare model due to the little production before being ceased)

I slowly on my way of making the NSX back to its original condition.I love a great looking car but I not really keen on having an aftermarket look" on my car as many do.But since the NSX is hard to find,I just need to finish my hunt with a "molested" one like I had now(Luckily previous owner didnt put a widebodykit or else I would be damned to have the car restored!)

HBS, please do us a favor by getting your own test-drive unit if possible and tell us from a point of view of a RX8/350Z/NSX owner. It'll be quite interesting since you've been living with these pure NA FR base that are all pretty much adequate in power. The 86 could fit well in your garage.

as for your NSX, congrats for owning one of everyone's favorite JDM. some pictures will be nice. we hardly see a stock NSX around

 

[HBS]

HBS, please do us a favor by getting your own test-drive unit if possible and tell us from a point of view of a RX8/350Z/NSX owner. It'll be quite interesting since you've been living with these pure NA FR base that are all pretty much adequate in power. The 86 could fit well in your garage.

as for your NSX, congrats for owning one of everyone's favorite JDM. some pictures will be nice. we hardly see a stock NSX around

Can have the test drive unit from Toyota?
Last time back in 2009,there is a group test of 370Z(6MT) with the others member from ZTH.Love the car.So much improvement inside out,but at last need to slow down,because it would be PITA to take care all those car since I know I wouldnt drive it that much!(I riding almost everyday & even my kancil 660 are for night drive by most of the time...)

As for the NSX,it still with those aftermarket stuff(NSX-R steering wheels,CR-Kai 17/18,GT-xtreme Ti exhaust & some others mod)
The progress of converting back the car into stock factory condition would be a slow progress but I try my best to have it done.(Part hard to get,& for japanese car it is quite expensive...even timing belt also hard to come by :stupid: )

 

[csl]

Thanks for the feedback.The RX8 is very special car since while it not that powerful(what else mine was 6AT) but the level of confidence it bring when you speed up into the corner,you can actually feel the steering really communicative altogether with the chassis,which is always make me amaze with the car.I not a fast driver myself,but I do have a couple of trackday with both 2 wheels & 4 wheels(I started riding performance bike since 17 years old & since then I would going for trackday if my allowance allowed me to do so) & since my first ever RWD sportscar was Z33(Great car,but it lack steering feels & mostly just like many Nissan car,it felt heavier to take the quick S-type turn,& the numb' steering feels doesnt inspired you a confidence to push it more & the car can quickly lose a grip with speed more than 120km/h on the corner as for my trackday experience with bone stock Z33.)

I still think that part of Mazda RX sportscar handle so well might have to do with the rotary engine that was so smooth in higher rev as motorcycle engine & not to mention,the overall dimension are so small for the engine that had 200 plus horses & that contributed to overall lightness & chasiss rigidty as well.(I still,love this car especially when attacking the corner at Klawang b-road behind my house.Handling wise is pretty much like the NSX,but as the NSX is mid engined car & have 2 seat,I still have my big kudos for Mazda engineer for making such an aspiring car that easily built a confidence for its driver to push the car even further.)

Yes,my NSX are rare 91' Grand Prix White.(since 91' in Malaysia is always in red colour or repainted)
& it comes with few rare mod too.But I was thinking for MT conversion with either a JDM short ratio 5spd manual or E61 multi clutch 02+ 6spd but it might be too costly since 02'+ onward are still considered as rare model due to the little production before being ceased)

I slowly on my way of making the NSX back to its original condition.I love a great looking car but I not really keen on having an aftermarket look" on my car as many do.But since the NSX is hard to find,I just need to finish my hunt with a "molested" one like I had now(Luckily previous owner didnt put a widebodykit or else I would be damned to have the car restored!)

Even though with tein type flex, 18" R1R, full set of bars from Autoexe, full bucket seats and etc, I still think that RX8 still have plenty room for improvement when talk about cornering. Besides that, you never encounter the EPS suddenly quit during cornering. The lotus handling badge on proton some more not worth to talk about. I just feel that everytime a car manufacture advertised how good is their cars' handling, normally is way under expectation. Normally say until the car can corner better than a go kart but most will let your ear to scoop sand when you try it at home at your own risk. Or, probably I missed that the ad was having a 0.5mm tiny little sentence at the bottom corner with the same color with background saying that the description is based on 70km/h.

 

[HBS]

Even though with tein type flex, 18" R1R, full set of bars from Autoexe, full bucket seats and etc, I still think that RX8 still have plenty room for improvement when talk about cornering. Besides that, you never encounter the EPS suddenly quit during cornering. The lotus handling badge on proton some more not worth to talk about. I just feel that everytime a car manufacture advertised how good is their cars' handling, normally is way under expectation. Normally say until the car can corner better than a go kart but most will let your ear to scoop sand when you try it at home at your own risk. Or, probably I missed that the ad was having a 0.5mm tiny little sentence at the bottom corner with the same color with background saying that the description is based on 70km/h.

Yep,that is the point.But for the least,the car actually can "flex" abit like the NSX during cornering is something that helping me to define the feel when going to push a car to its limit(the limit as defined by myself laa...I not a pro driver hehe)
Z33 in comparison are felt bulkier,not-so communicative steering & the suspension setup are way too stiff until it was hard to feel any kind of flexing' if the car not thrown suddenly at the corner more than 120km/h(This is mostly the speed that I would prepare my hand to counter any snap' on the rear wheel during my trackday year.Spinning around turn 9 always at this speed until I think that it would be better if I expect the car already on its limit & be prepared for the worst since I cant hope the car to be able to stick at the road like it does on lower speed than 120km/h+)

The fastest I have been on RX8 is 155km/h during downhill on Genting with 4 people on board.It was that time I was feel like this car handling really something else....it had the flex' to alert you when you on limit,twitching'-sticky like steering feel on lower speed that signaling its potential & yeah it does.

But as I rarely drive any car like I used to & with less & less TD,my confidence for its potential has going abit downward but still nonetheless I always enjoyed it when I using the Klawang twisties when going to work.

 

[csl]

Genting downhill never try cuz too many bumps (especially those on guard house) and I'm not familiar with the road. But max I did 190km/h (exit corner speed) at Genting sempah area except the 2-3 corners after the tunnel where T1R keep on complaining at 150km/h (and I afraid of tire noise). It is not fast because I did follow a golf and a wiralution at +-180km/h speed before. Normally I just 'throw' the car until tire make noise and I let go the throttle a bit for correction. I don't know how to appreciate flex and other thing. It is all base on my feeling.

 

[HBS]

Genting downhill never try cuz too many bumps (especially those on guard house) and I'm not familiar with the road. But max I did 190km/h (exit corner speed) at Genting sempah area except the 2-3 corners after the tunnel where T1R keep on complaining at 150km/h (and I afraid of tire noise). It is not fast because I did follow a golf and a wiralution at +-180km/h speed before. Normally I just 'throw' the car until tire make noise and I let go the throttle a bit for correction. I don't know how to appreciate flex and other thing. It is all base on my feeling.

I also would put the tire noise,steering feels,& body flex as my way to know the car limit during cornering.

You can learn to appreciate the body flex if you driving a Nissan sportcars especially.There car are good but not good enough in term of handling & tend to have those stiff" suspension feels that the oem setting on their car are rarely have "extreme flex" like Honda & Mazda sportscar.

When I was using the Z for track attack,usually I would try to speed up on the corner until body flex going too extreme' to signaling that I would hit the limit as I do on motorcycle.

But as the Z has very stiffer feels & rarely flex to extreme degree(even after 120km/h & it was heavy car) all it does mostly a "quick snap" without warning.So to driving the car fast in oem setup required you to be ready atleast for some sliding action(I dont like drifting or powerslide,but the good thing I learn it with my Z since the handling is really not "On the rail" feels like the RX8.Shame that my RX8 is 6AT so cant do all the gearing that fast & really take a toll on furthering the cornering speed)

 

[Edward Chew]

Hey Tom,

Off topic. What the hell camera mount you used onboard?! The field angle stays LEVEL when the car pitch up or down over bump! How the hell?

 

[Tom]

Hey Tom,

Off topic. What the hell camera mount you used onboard?! The field angle stays LEVEL when the car pitch up or down over bump! How the hell?

edward, it's a TM700 mini camcorder on a http://www.amazon.com/Woods-Powr-Grip-LJ45PHC-Cleat-Vacuum/dp/B000GHURZA with the camcorder upside down to accommodate space constraints. I think it's a good mount and much better than the manfrotto one i had. plus it's smaller and the suction hardly leaks.

as for the sensation it gave you, i think that's purely unintentional. Maybe it's the rubber suction cup giving way to the g's of something

 

[Edward Chew]

Haha. Oh. That's the one!