Sorry GUyz..China got to ue Petronas E01 engine

[BlackSamurai]

No shame in designing and having the IP rights to it's own CAMPRO engine (which contrary to popular opinion is tune-able) than buying Petronas' engine which was costly to begin with. The power figures may be impressive. But what about emmisions and consumption? These all matter to a mass manufacturer.

if

"NAC, a state-owned corporation of China, is one of the most important automotive industrial enterprises in the country with more than 30 subsidiaries and 400 affiliated companies. It is headquartered in Nanjing City in Jiangsu Province. BCG, on the other hand, is a consulting firm whose expertise includes strategic planning, marketing and government relations. It has offices in Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong."

decide to do mass production E01e, i guess they took all the considerations you stated above.

for emission level, please refer to munky's posting.

I know there are Proton and Campro supportor out there, but don't support it blindly.

If Proton is daring, they can even proposed their CAMPRO engine to NAC.

 

[spyderslr]

i dun think they will b using the e01w or e01e which has 100bhp/litre......probably they will get a detuned version coz those 2 r merely prototypes......but still, AT LEAST there's a proper VVT....unlike campro.....

 

[Kopi]

the e01W that rated (and installed in a GTI with the GP55 plate # with the Petronas GTI colour scheme) has a rated of 214whp. AUDI eyed the technology Petronas have closely whereby the engine is equipped with a Continuous Valve Timing Control (CVTC) technology and by far is developed way before K20A entered the market. 5yrs before I believe... (since the first F1 event in M'sia rite? when the 2 GTIs debuted)

The china company wants to develop a 1.8, 2.0 and a 2.2L variant fo the E01. Proton refuse to use the E01 engine for their cars because they have a goal of installing their own developed engine, the campro, which has not yet been fully developed. in terms of technical motor knowledge, Petronas have the edge of R&D because 5 of their engineers in motor development received direct hands on lessons from Sauber sifoos. 3 has returned to Malaysia and working at Petronas research and development in Bangi (PERMATA) and 2 still jamming with Sauber in Switzerland.
Proton engineers however, started from scratch, learning loolas from old Mitsubishi engines and such.

 

[satria_95]

How much would that e01 engine cost ar? If it can fit into GTI, should be able to fit into my satria year 95 la. hehehe Then it's rev away ! vroom vroom ! hehehehe

 

[Kopi]

haha... that u would have to call Petronas Motorsports... or come to Petronas Twin Tower Level 71. mebbe RM40k or more?

I drool for it since it's running in the GTi 55/54 osolah brader....

 

[bridgestoneRE711]

ok , take the easiest thing .
the extractor , which is custom made . and u can see it shinning like sun ... damn nice . this includes the air intake which is custome made . both product which is custom made , and most of it is hand made , has a very good handwork and smooth surface .
when it gets into production , it will become one stamped steel extractor instead of the current E01w's custom made extractors .
it sure brings down the power rating .

 

[satria_95]

or come to Petronas Twin Tower Level 71. mebbe RM40k or more?

Oh crapz. Can I just have some of the babes who work at Twin Towers then? hahahaha

 

[suchap69]

petronas has made a great investment in e01 and just to keep it on shelf is not an economic option, proton then has also developed their engine, and to dropped their own product for another is a double expense. so a match between proton and petronas will never likely happen. no 'propetonas'

to invest in china is the best option, with a big emerging market of billions of people, the prospect to capture a small market share (small but still in ten-folds of malaysian market) is so tempting.

so it's better for petronas to harvest on it's investment than to keep it collecting dust.

 

[InitialD]

It is a mystery why even with the Malaysia Boleh spirit, Proton and Petronas never opted to put the E01 into Proton production cars. What the hell happened there. And now, flogged off to the Chinese. Right. As if the Chinese don't have enough going for them that we have to sell our R&D to them.

The reason is simply because Proton did not want it. They chose to focus on their own Campro instead.

 

[InitialD]

petronas has made a great investment in e01 and just to keep it on shelf is not an economic option, proton then has also developed their engine, and to dropped their own product for another is a double expense. so a match between proton and petronas will never likely happen. no 'propetonas'

to invest in china is the best option, with a big emerging market of billions of people, the prospect to capture a small market share (small but still in ten-folds of malaysian market) is so tempting.

so it's better for petronas to harvest on it's investment than to keep it collecting dust.

Dude, I heard originally Petronas and Proton had sort of a verbal kind of agreement. I think certain factors made proton decided to go with their own engine - factors like royalty to petronas too high.

If not why would Petronas spend so much time and money to develop their own engine?

 

[faisal]

if

"NAC, a state-owned corporation of China, is one of the most important automotive industrial enterprises in the country with more than 30 subsidiaries and 400 affiliated companies. It is headquartered in Nanjing City in Jiangsu Province. BCG, on the other hand, is a consulting firm whose expertise includes strategic planning, marketing and government relations. It has offices in Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong."

decide to do mass production E01e, i guess they took all the considerations you stated above.

for emission level, please refer to munky's posting.

I know there are Proton and Campro supportor out there, but don't support it blindly.

If Proton is daring, they can even proposed their CAMPRO engine to NAC.

I did read munky's posting and the link to PAUL TAN.ORG , that is why i mentioned it.

The EO1 engine passes Euro Step 2 btw. which incidently is lower than the CAMPRO which surpasses EURO 4 emmisions standard.

I'm not saying the CAMPRO is better than the EO1 or vice versa but on a commercial scale it (CAMPRO) makes more sense.

 

[InitialD]

From http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/08/the-petronas-e01/

See this article from Paultan.org

http://paultan.org/wp-content/E01.jpg

You’re looking at the product of the first Malaysian commercial engine project, the Petronas E01. This project started back in March 1997 with a collaboration between Petronas engineers and development partners. The engine applies knowledge gained from taking part in Formula 1. The result is a powerful engine, up to Honda K20A performance standards.

The engine was designed in two phases. The first phase involved training Petronas Engineers in areas of Computer Aided Design and Computer Aided Engineering. Actual design and engineering of the engine was done in the second phase of the project, supervised by development partners.

The engine start-up ceremony was held on 20th February 1998, and four months later on 23rd June 1998, the engine was finally installed in 2 cars, a Proton Waja and a Proton Satria GTi.



http://paultan.org/wp-content/E01_2.jpg

The PETRONAS E01 can be installed about 15 degrees tilting forward or backward within the engine compartment of the vehicle. This allows the engine to be fitted into any model of cars. Versatile! The picture above shows the Petronas E01 installed in a Proton Waja.

Aesthetics-wise, the engine really looks great. The DOHC cover is in black and green, and look at those polished stainless steel extractors! Yum! The engine is not only pretty to look at. Let’s have a look at it’s technical specifications.

Technical Specifications

Valve mechanism: Continuous Control VVT (Variable Valve Timing)
Camshaft: Double OverHead Camshaft (DOHC)
Displacement: 2 litres
Induction: Natural Aspirated
Cylinders: 4, In-line
Valves per cylinder: 4
Block: Aluminum
Weight: 108.9kg
Max Horsepower: 204.3 PS @ 7300rpm
Max Torque: 203Nm @ 5300rpm
Power Output per litre: 100 PS/litre
Volumetric Efficiency: 107.8%
Emission Standards: EURO 2

​

Original design targets for the engine was 200ps max power, 200Nm torque and 120kg weight. So basically PETRONAS engineers managed to exceed their original design targets.

As a benchmark, the Honda K20A makes 220PS but at a higher 8000rpm. Maximum torque is equivalent to the E01 at 200Nm, but maximum torque is only achievable at 7000rpm while the PETRONAS E01 gets max torque at a relatively low 5300rpm.

http://paultan.org/wp-content/satriagtie01.jpg

The Petronas Satria GTi, spotted at Mutiara Damansara area. Picture courtesy of http://macxcess.com/vblog/blogger.html.

http://paultan.org/wp-content/satriagtie013.jpg

Sadly, news has been going around that this engine has been bought by Hyundai because Proton did not want it. They chose to focus on their own Campro instead. How many of you would have been interested in a Gen2 R3 with this monster of an engine under the hood? I know I wouldn’t mind.

 

[HKS-GT2835R]

great work, petronas..now any of our stock std car's ass will be handed on a silver plate!
but fer goodness sake, why?
why did proton let this one go?
i can't understand it at all meh?

 

[speedking]

good...now we have E01 engine on the road....we can do transplant now...

 

[gary]

if

"NAC, a state-owned corporation of China, is one of the most important automotive industrial enterprises in the country with more than 30 subsidiaries and 400 affiliated companies. It is headquartered in Nanjing City in Jiangsu Province. BCG, on the other hand, is a consulting firm whose expertise includes strategic planning, marketing and government relations. It has offices in Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong."

decide to do mass production E01e, i guess they took all the considerations you stated above.

for emission level, please refer to munky's posting.

I know there are Proton and Campro supportor out there, but don't support it blindly.

If Proton is daring, they can even proposed their CAMPRO engine to NAC.

i think you're looking at this from too simplistic a view. just because a manufacturer uses a high tech variable valve technology to build a road car engine, doesnt mean it will have tons of power..etc. It will most like be tuned for emissions, reliability and economy.

Yes, its great that petronas, a malaysian company can provide technology to a china company to help them build engines for their cars.

But its naive to think that the final products will be similar to the E01e prototype engines.

 

[prozac]

Aiya no need E01 engine laaa...Proton going to have supercharged 1.8 CAMPRO. Long live forced induction! :top:

 

[BlackSamurai]

i think you're looking at this from too simplistic a view. just because a manufacturer uses a high tech variable valve technology to build a road car engine, doesnt mean it will have tons of power..etc. It will most like be tuned for emissions, reliability and economy.

Yes, its great that petronas, a malaysian company can provide technology to a china company to help them build engines for their cars.

But its naive to think that the final products will be similar to the E01e prototype engines.

i'm actually not comparing the power, but more toward the technology and the choice.

in earlier posting, ppl stated that the reason why E01e is not choosen by Proton is because
1) the price is expensive
2) the prototype is hard to make into mass production
3) and of course, Proton have their own engine roadmap CAMPRO.

What I'm trying to says is that, if NAC decide to mass produce the E01e, I believe Point 1 & 2 is not really a real reason why Proton reject the deal. Point No.3 and some hidden agenda will more likely the real fact behind.

Petronas can make a VVT engine back 1997. And at 2005 now, Proton still failing to make the CAMPRO engine comes with Cam Profiling capability and mass produce it. That's why i'm saying "Shame of Proton".

Some saying that Petronas have the technology advantage from Sauber R&D. But don't forget that Proton own Lotus, a company that are capable of building their racing engine and racing car, setup their F1 team and even supplying their F1 engine to other team in the past. And Sauber doesn't not have an engine they build from scratch, they are using Ferrari re-badge engine. It's all up to individual and company push, Petronas take it serious, pump in money and get the right people, send them to the right ground, learn the thing and deliver right thing. Unfortunately, I haven't see that in Proton.

I would like to point out that if E01e able to make it into mass production and maybe comes up with new model, it is very obvious that Proton make a wrong move back then.

 

[Hazzim]

Does anyone have the spec for the 1.8L Campro?? or is it still in development??? the E01 is a very powerful engine but if Proton can match or even exceed the e01 performance then Huray for Proton.. we'll just have to wait for the SRm to come out ^_^

 

[zan]

one thing to remember. petronas was capable to develope its own engine due to its partnership with Sauber back in nineties. at that time Proton was owned by DRB and not petronas and even though thay had started research on the Campro, they were still relying on Mitsubishi for engines supply.

petronas only made the purchase of proton and USPD (now Proton Edar) in 2002.

which answers to all our questions. let say proton had been owned by petronas all the way since year 1995, or even 1985, what could actually happened?

 

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

Does anyone knows what happened to a certain Elise MkI with a E01 Petronas engine?
Now that would be a real scorcher.....
Would make the Rover K series VHPD crappy....