eh.. I just baru looked at your engineering pictures. that's a really old version of the bar. Really old. Anyway, i'm not protecting the brand, I just think you're too cynical and looks/feels like a really bitter old man. I personally don't think everything imported is good. Passo bar was developed by Toyota or TRD (dunno) and they have the blueprints and designs for the Passo. UR just used trial and error to get it right.
Old? Sure. The bars regarding Inspira clearance issue is not an old product. Its recent. Shows that nothing has changed since the v1 UR lower arm bar, still no R&D, no testing.
They don't have a R&D I think.
That's the entire point I am trying to drive home. I seriously don't know why you two continue to harp on it. Why YOU (customer), want to buy a product that has no R&D, risk your life and other road users life, to test it? If nothing goes wrong, fine. If shit happens? Then what? Cars come from the factory are not fault free, but they do lots of tests to the best of their effort to ensure that it is at the very least safe. Look, its not perfect, but we know that they did invest in R&D, they did do the tests. UR? NONE! If it works, lucky lah. If not, then what?
Anyway, some of their bars I think are stupid (like the side bars) and are a complete waste of time. Some like the strut bars are no brainers and for the money they cost they are value for money.
this just echo what i already said.
Copying the design to follow the Passo ARB was a good idea too and the end result is pretty decent. 3Max came up with a pretty downright stiff ARB setup for the Myvi but some folks have had it snapped due to excessive force/usage. All in all, I say unless you have access to blueprints the best you can do is trial and error.
No, the best you can do is invest in actual R&D, actual testing, which is why branded stuff cost so much, because the cost of making the product is not as simple as manufacturing. The flaw in the design in the UR lower arm bar for Myvi was
so bloody obvious to anyone who would bother to look and use their brain and think for a moment. Yet they manufactured it and roll it out.
No doubt, but at who's expense?
If not mistaken, 3MAX lower arm bar for myvi is to be mounted on the place where after market (or originally Passo) anti roll bars are mounted. And then they changed to exactly what you said is "robbed". Japanese tech?
I wasn't a fan of 3MAX, i never mentioned them. I've never seen the product in person and I don't know anything about the company so I won't comment. The current UR ARB is a copy of the Passo Racy ARB, which is fine. I never said anything wrong about it.
You judge. I dont know whether you have bought anything faulty in your life before and how well do you know about engineering a product. I strongly believe that you're nothing close to engineering field as you think that everything can be perfected with engineering at once.
I never said perfect, I said R&D, UR does NO R&D. That's what I am saying. You ask me to TRUST UR. What is there to trust? All this can be addressed with R&D. UR does NONE, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA R&D. So why should I buy their rubbish? So i can test it for them and they can come up with improvements if its a bad design?
I refuse the fact that you used some old facts to condemn new facts and say some faulty engineering facts when you dont really know the facts of engineering a product.
I will just assume you were unable to articulate what you were trying to say and ignore this. Otherwise we'll both look stupid.
Engineering is about getting the first thing right at the first time as possible. UR failed. Some similar people failed too, if you know what I mean. UR rectified their problem with lifetime warranty and better design, so people buys it. But for others who kept going on with their old junks, that very crap. Again, if you know what I mean
Dude. Its possible to fail at engineering. But UR does no engineering. Understand?
I personally feel that it is useless to whine of some products we have never used before or will never use. Its like describing how sweet Siti Norhaliza is when u'd never licked her face. Now that we know that Strut bars and anti roll bars improve the car handling in regardless whatever brand. We trust, we accept, we purcharse. So lets move on
That's the problem. A lot of customers are like you, they "trust". Science does not require you to trust it, physics requires no trust. A car is a machine, its based on science, and science will prove it.
I only trust in God, all others bring data. Since you trust UR
, and I trust God, I will respect your faith and we have nothing further to discuss.
Many after market products arent as what we think they are. Many engineers out there use rule of thumb in many things, and do not really venture into detail calculations or even better, simulations. For example, I believe most of the aftermarket exhaust system uses rule of thumbs for their design and of course, one can see improvements after installing it but the design is not the best out of it. Unless you are saying Formula One, where everything is custom made to suit the rules & regulations and performance as well as driver's preferences. No doubt UR has improved by having better QA and QC, value engineering and reverse engineering. I'm not saying that they are the best, but at least I'm assured of their product and I'm quite satisfied.
I don't disagree anything you said. But it seems you don't understand what I am saying. Again, UR has no engineering. Understand what I am saying? You need me to translate mandarin, malay, tamil or what language?
This is going in circles. My summary:
1. UR does no R&D (unless I read wrongly, izso agrees - so why harping on same thing?)
2. UR products when is a simple design, or robbed & duplicated from Jap/European design, works fine. Their own bars, good luck cause its a gamble. (unless I read wrongly, izso agrees - so why harping on same thing?)
3. UR products have failed in the past, and still proves to be a hazard today (Inspira rear bar risk of chaffing brake lines)
4. People that own a product feel butt hurt when people say something unpleasant about it.
That being said, I believe UR will continue to be a key driver in the industry, and they will be growing stronger than ever because apparently there are a lot of believers.
izso: you sure you not the bitter old man? lol. cause I agree with everything you say about UR. yet you echo me and disagree. You bored?
Afterall where's the fun in agreeing with you all the time?
