engine oil

can last 10k miles (16000 km)

btw, filter is cheap (~RM8 - RM12)

the oil costs nearly RM200. is it worth it to only change the filter + top up oil? u think for urself. to be safe u can change filter every 4 - 6 months (depending on mileage)?
 
polkiuj said:
can last 10k miles (16000 km)

btw, filter is cheap (~RM8 - RM12)

the oil costs nearly RM200. is it worth it to only change the filter + top up oil? u think for urself. to be safe u can change filter every 4 - 6 months (depending on mileage)?

i think it is more suitable for non-turbo engine....
 
do some research. Mobil1 is one of the best, if not the best out there.. only Amsoil dares to challenge it with 'independant' lab tests, claiming itself superior. but real life tests shows otherwise. =P

btw.. Mobil1 is factory fill for porche's. Yes, that includes the 911 TURBO. not suitable for turbo? hmm...
 
evoX2 said:
ok...what if 20w-50 would reduce car mileage because its thicker than 10w-40??

thickness does not reduce/increase mileage, just protection.

basically, the thicker the oil the
1)more protection
2)less power/fuel consumption> due to heavier thickness>means more work

for local car 5W40/5W50/10W40/10W/50 should be fine

for foreign car 5W50/0W50 also can.


Actually this topic not important though most engine oil are suitable for all cars regarless of W(winter) or oil vicosity.

As long as it is available in m'sia means all suitable for all cars available here.

So no issues.:_:
 
lol! nice post! ehehhehe. actually viscosity for msian weather is 40 or 50. they both work well. like u said, the winter doesn't really matter =P u can even use 0W40. =P
 
What you guys are interested in are the number after the W (example 5w30). The 30 stand of 30 weight (viscosity) oil.

The thicker the oil the higher is the number, so 40 or 50 are extremely thick, only recommended if it's turbo car where fuel dilution (rich AFR) is a problem.
 
trex101 said:
What you guys are interested in are the number after the W (example 5w30). The 30 stand of 30 weight (viscosity) oil.

The thicker the oil the higher is the number, so 40 or 50 are extremely thick, only recommended if it's turbo car where fuel dilution (rich AFR) is a problem.

all engine oil despite the figures 40/50etc are thick. They are in fact all thin at room temperature and will only be thickened when the car is being heat up. there is just a small different between 20 and 50 even u see the figures so big.

like he said thicker oil for cars with more power/rough use to protect engine wear and tear. local car like proton also can use no issues just effects on the fuel consumption probably additional 1-3cents depending on the way you drive.
 
This will explain more on oil viscosity. Oil always thin with an increase of temperature not thicken.

http://www.carbibles.com/viscosity.html
 
oil thickens with increase in temp.. where in the world did u learn that it thins..

if it really thins.. whats going to protect ur engine?

btw thicken and thins is not right. should be more/less viscous. =P
 
i think the high temp the oil visc. will less or we should say the molecur structure decay due to high temp.
even all the oil manufacturers came out same grade.. e.g. 15w50. it is a different between them. Motul, Redline, HKS, mobil, shell, petronas and etc... lot of additive formula put inside the oil by different technologies.
correct me if anything wrong..
 
georgett said:
i think the high temp the oil visc. will less or we should say the molecur structure decay due to high temp.
even all the oil manufacturers came out same grade.. e.g. 15w50. it is a different between them. Motul, Redline, HKS, mobil, shell, petronas and etc... lot of additive formula put inside the oil by different technologies.
correct me if anything wrong..
no you are not wrong. they really are different.

the reading only shows the viscosity of the engine oil when cold and when at operating temperature. how good is the lubrication and the boiling point where the oil's molecular structure get destroyed is another story by itself.
 
a good engine oil should provide a strong film strength
that doesnt break so easily at high stress and high temperature
most good synthetic oils can provide that kind of protection under high strain conditions, thats what makes them different from others

IMO, mobil 1 is expensive because of you all are paying for all the advertisments

i might be wrong though, feel free to correct me ^_^
 
I had read 1 article in option fans, they compare top ten types of syn oil. mobil not in the list.... errr... what does mean...???
 
most synthetics oil molecular structure will almost never (means a looooooooooong time) wear out. its when the additive package wear out that u change the oil. Mobil1 is (probably) the best oil out there.just google 'best engine oil' or 'best synthetic engine oil' and look at PROOF (tests and everything).


"I had read 1 article in option fans, they compare top ten types of syn oil. mobil not in the list.... errr... what does mean...???"
option fans is clearly biased if its the case.



"IMO, mobil 1 is expensive because of you all are paying for all the advertisments

i might be wrong though, feel free to correct me ^_^"
dude.. do u ever see Mobil1 advertising? Shell uses F1, So did Petronas. Mobil1? nope. the statistics speak for itself. =} (note: we are talking about Mobil1, not the petrol or smiles card k?)



btw, Mobil1 is certified API SM/CF. now go look for another API SM (emphasis on the M) oil. most oils are still stuck in API SJ/SL. google it if u wanna know what it means.
 
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polkiuj said:
most synthetics oil molecular structure will almost never (means a looooooooooong time) wear out. its when the additive package wear out that u change the oil. Mobil1 is (probably) the best oil out there.just google 'best engine oil' or 'best synthetic engine oil' and look at PROOF (tests and everything).


"I had read 1 article in option fans, they compare top ten types of syn oil. mobil not in the list.... errr... what does mean...???"
option fans is clearly biased if its the case.



"IMO, mobil 1 is expensive because of you all are paying for all the advertisments

i might be wrong though, feel free to correct me ^_^"
dude.. do u ever see Mobil1 advertising? Shell uses F1, So did Petronas. Mobil1? nope. the statistics speak for itself. =} (note: we are talking about Mobil1, not the petrol or smiles card k?)



btw, Mobil1 is certified API SM/CF. now go look for another API SM (emphasis on the M) oil. most oils are still stuck in API SJ/SL. google it if u wanna know what it means.

I second that, most group IV (PAO) synthetic are highly resistent to oxidation and shearing but it's the additives package/TBN that will wear out over time. Good synthetic like Mobil 1 has proven to last >16k km easily.

Good read about oil technical
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/
 
polkiuj said:
most synthetics oil molecular structure will almost never (means a looooooooooong time) wear out. its when the additive package wear out that u change the oil. Mobil1 is (probably) the best oil out there.just google 'best engine oil' or 'best synthetic engine oil' and look at PROOF (tests and everything).
Google's search result could be abused, if you have enough man power working together you could actually bomb google until zerotohundred.com appear as the first search result when someone search for "car"

polkiuj said:
option fans is clearly biased if its the case.
who isn't? i don't think any human can be truely neutral/not bias. even a hermit who lives on the mountain for 50 years would prefer one wild edible mushroom over the other.

polkiuj said:
dude.. do u ever see Mobil1 advertising? Shell uses F1, So did Petronas. Mobil1? nope. the statistics speak for itself. =} (note: we are talking about Mobil1, not the petrol or smiles card k?)
you kidding? Shell on ferrari, Petronas on bmw, and Mobil one on McLaren. Dude, do your homework first, not only that, Mobil one is also on Nascar, IRL, and Le Mans. And if you wanna argue about the whole company, you could include Esso too which belongs to the same company ExxonMobil, which also sponser Toyota, mean the company already sponser 2 teams in F1, wonder if there's anymore, din notice it.
 
"Google's search result could be abused, if you have enough man power working together you could actually bomb google until zerotohundred.com appear as the first search result when someone search for "car""
ahh. ok. i know but i'm talking about comparisons of oils here, technical data included. =}


"who isn't? i don't think any human can be truely neutral/not bias. even a hermit who lives on the mountain for 50 years would prefer one wild edible mushroom over the other."
good point there. but if option fans compares the 'best' synthetics, and they don't compare Mobil1 or Amsoil, then something is clearly wrong. Amsoil has been, and is still trying to prove itself as better than Mobil1. Why is that? Because they know if they can prove that it really outperforms Mobil1, then they would have the best synthetic. (note: ur right about the google bombing thing xD, amsoil has bombed google)


"you kidding? Shell on ferrari, Petronas on bmw, and Mobil one on McLaren. Dude, do your homework first, not only that, Mobil one is also on Nascar, IRL, and Le Mans. And if you wanna argue about the whole company, you could include Esso too which belongs to the same company ExxonMobil, which also sponser Toyota, mean the company already sponser 2 teams in F1, wonder if there's anymore, din notice it."
ahhh.. okok. my bad there. i rarely catch F1 anymore.. i was actually looking at msian tv ads xD ehehehe. biasness there xD.

btw, oil does indeed get less viscous as it heats up. oops. ehehe
 
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cool down guys, it's just a discussion.

anyway, all of you are right in certain ways.

this is an article from the internet to clear all doubts.


Most motor oils are made from a heavier, thicker petroleum hydrocarbon base stock derived from crude oil, with additives added as needed to improve the properties. One of the most important properties of motor oil in maintaining a lubricating film between moving parts is its viscosity. In layman's terms, the viscosity of a liquid can be thought of as its "thickness" or a quantity of resistance to flow. The viscosity must be high enough to maintain a satisfactory lubricating film, but low enough that the oil can flow around the engine parts satisfactorily to keep them well coated under all conditions. The Viscosity Index is a measure of how much the oil's viscosity changes as temperature changes. A higher viscosity index indicates the 'viscosity' changes less with temperature than a lower viscosity index.

Motor oil must be able to flow at cold winter temperatures to lubricate internal moving parts upon starting up the engine. Another important property of motor oil is its pour point, which is indicative of the lowest temperature at which the oil could still be poured satisfactorily. The lower the pour point temperature of the oil, the more desirable the oil is when starting up at cold temperature.

Oil is largely composed of hydrocarbons which can burn if ignited. Still another important property of motor oil is its flash point, the lowest temperature at which the oil gives off vapors which can ignite. It is dangerous for the oil in a motor to ignite and burn, so a high flash point is desirable. At a petroleum refinery, fractional distillation to separate crude oil fractions removes the volatile components, which more easily ignite, from the motor oil fraction; thereby increasing the oil's flash point.

Another test done on oil is to determine the Total Base Number (TBN), which is a measurement of the reserve alkalinity of an oil to neutralize acids. The resulting quantity is determined as mg KOH/(gram of lubricant). Analogously, Total Acid Number (TAN) is the measure of a lubricant's acidity. Other tests include zinc, phosphorus, or sulfur content, and testing for excessive foaming.

Different motor oils are sold for Diesel fuel engines, with many claimed to contain a higher level of detergents to keep fine combustion soot in suspension. However, for some brands only the packaging varies (the oil is the same), and in general a diesel engine can use any good quality oil of the correct grade.

Single-grade motor oil
The Society of Automotive Engineers, usually abbreviated as SAE, has established a numerical code system for grading motor oils according to their kinematic viscosity. For single-grade oils, the kinematic viscosity is measured at a reference temperature of 100 °C (212 °F) in units of mm²/s or the equivalent older non-SI units, centistokes (abbreviated cSt). Based on the range of viscosity the oil falls in at that temperature, the oil is graded as an SAE number 0, 5, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 or 70. The higher the viscosity, the higher the SAE grade number is. These numbers are often referred to as the weight of a motor oil. The reference temperature is meant to approximate the operating temperature to which motor oil is exposed in an engine.

The viscosity of single-grade oil derived from petroleum unimproved with additives changes considerably with temperature. As the temperature increases, the viscosity of the oil decreases logarithmically in a relatively predictable manner. On single-grade oils, viscosity testing can be done at cold winter (W) temperature (as well as checking minimum viscosity at 100 °C or 212 °F) to grade an oil as SAE number 0W, 5W, 10W, 15W, 20W, or 25W. A single-grade oil graded at the hot temperature is expected to test into the corresponding grade at the winter temperature; i.e. a 10 grade oil should correspond to a 10W oil. For some applications, such as when the temperature ranges in use are not very wide, single-grade motor oil is satisfactory; for example, lawn mower engines.


[edit] Multi-grade motor oil
The temperature range the oil is exposed to in most vehicles can be wide, ranging from cold ambient temperatures in the winter before the vehicle is started up to hot operating temperatures when the vehicle is fully warmed up in hot summer weather. The difference in viscosities for any single-grade oil is too large between the extremes of temperature. To bring the difference in viscosities closer together, special polymer additives called viscosity index improvers are added to the oil. These additives make the oil a multi-grade motor oil. The viscosity of a multi-grade oil still varies logarithmically with temperature, but the slope representing the change is lessened. This slope representing the change with temperature depends on the nature and amount of the additives to the base oil.

The API/SAE designation for multi-grade oils includes two grade numbers; for example, 10W-30 designates a common multi-grade oil. The first number associated with the W is not rated at any single temperature. The "10W" means that this oil can be pumped by your engine as cold as a single-grade 10 weight oil can be pumped. "5W" can be pumped at a lower temperature than "10W". "0W" can be pumped at a lower temperature than "5W", and thins less at temperatures above 99°C (210°F). The second number, 30, means that the viscosity of this multi-grade oil at 100°C (212°F) operating temperature corresponds to the viscosity of a single-grade 30 oil at same temperature. The governing SAE standard is called SAE J300. The motor oil grade and viscosity to be used in a given vehicle is specified by the manufacturer of the vehicle.

Some new vehicles are marked to use 0W25 oil. Some ultra fuel efficient and hybrid vehicles are marked to use 0W20 oil.


[edit] Common multi-grade oils
Some of the common multi-grade oils are:

0W-20
0W-30
0W-40
5W-20
5W-25
5W-30 Cooler climates, like Sweden or Canada
5W-40
10W-30
10W-40 Temperate climates, like England
15W-40
15W-50 Hot climates, like Italy, Spain, Egypt
20W-40
20W-50
 
actually semi syns are a waste of money. use mineral or synthetic IMHO. semi syns are only marginally better than minerals and far off from syns. minerals more than do the job so save ur hard earned cash. =}
 

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