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[[PIMPIN]]

Well, life sure is interesting. Two days ago I was looking at complete engines from Tomei and OS Giken sequential. Was considering something wild and now I have no choice.

Yesterday, while driving to Sunway, my engine went to GTR heaven. From what I can tell, the block is gone and most likely the head.

I'm now stuck between 3 options - get a stock engine from a halfcut somehow, get a local workshop to build a 2.8 engine or get one sent over from Japan.

The first choice is by far the fastest way to get back on the road but stock engine won't last.

The second option would take about 2 months but local workmanship worries me since I'm after more power and I drive hard.

The final option is what I would most likely go for but the 3 months would drive me insane. But the peace of mind is what I'm after.

Those who know me would know how I drive and for this car I'm after a bit more power than before which was just over 500atw. Everyone talks about 1000hp GTRs but I want to be able to drive down to the shops or to work occasionally rather than own a pure track/drag car. I guess 750atw sounds about right to me.

Engines are about 80ish from Japan, box is just under 50 including install. Who should I go to? Should I just try a local workshop instead?

Thanks bros

 

[cmng]

Err Engine 80ishh.
just engine only or with all the neccesary accessory like turbo ?
since you mention you are after higher hp

local workshop..
local workshop can build it.. but the question is how durable are them .

and tuning .. who do it ?
since tuner is the one who will blown your engine if it not proper build by the mechanic

 

[aibon]

workshop Stpower....hahah

tunner SS crazy....hahah

or install and tune By SS crazy.......

 

[[PIMPIN]]

Err Engine 80ishh.
just engine only or with all the neccesary accessory like turbo ?
since you mention you are after higher hp

local workshop..
local workshop can build it.. but the question is how durable are them .

and tuning .. who do it ?
since tuner is the one who will blown your engine if it not proper build by the mechanic

From what I understand that's what complete engines cost readily assembled from Japan, for example Tomei, etc.

Local workshop, I guess the chances of something going wrong while putting it all together is a lot higher which is something I want to avoid.

As for tuner blowing the engine, I think in this situation it wasn't the tuner that caused the engine cause it did have stock internals and with approximately 520atw or close to 600 at the engine coupled with hard driving regularly, it was a matter of time.

What I want now is to mitigate the risks of this occurring again without having to baby the car.

 

[K_Takuya]

its looks like money is no problem for you. then i suggest you import the engine from japan. Built by well known workshop like Tomei as you wish, and no question for quality. 3 month may drive you crazy, but still you need a very lasting engine that can last more than 3 months is it? better then half cut quality, better than locally rebuilt, at least....

 

[Edward Chew]

How bout a brand new nur spec engine from japan?

 

[[PIMPIN]]

K_Takuya - Money is an issue for everyone, based on the priorities we have. I'm 24 going on 25 and I had an R33 at 17. I used to moderate SkylinesAustralia when I lived there for 5 years. This may sound pathetic but I don't have kids or anyone who depends on me. Cars have been pretty much my passion since Day 1 and thats where I choose to indulge rather than going clubbing, shopping, etc. This rebuild is going to cost me, but I'd rather do it once and do it right. Sorry for long post, just don't want people thinking I'm Bill Gates or something like that. :)

Edward Chew - Russell and I once asked Nismo Malaysia about an N1 engine and the cost was under RM30k landed but from correspondence with them, it seemed like they were highly reluctant to bring it in. Do you have another contact?

I appreciate all comments thus far and both SAU and GTR UK, although great forums, do lack local relevance to us in terms of pricing, suppliers, etc so this is my only way to know what other Skyline owners think/know.

Thanks!

 

[farizio]

*cough*RB30*cough*

 

[DarkChild]

SS Racing has Tomei engines for sale. Might save you some time from the shipping and handling.

 

[rossifumie]

hi

heard that too...

i am agree with u DarkChild...save u more time...

waiting time will just kill u lo....so go for it...have a gd look n consider every point in detail ...coz this sound really serious n its nt about buying engine frm halfcut ,for me its about a major "heart transplant"....dont make ur honey wait too long without heart ,its really hurting......

gd dude...

chEers

 

[kaminari]

so pity to hear tht.If I`m nt mistaken, Tomei need ur original engine to be send to Jpn to rebuild it,NOT a READY made.

If really a head blow,i suggest u done the head 1st to make ur car on the road 1st.

I help u inquiry the rebuild engine, TOMEI,JUN or NISMO?

 

[keong72]

workshop Stpower....hahah

tunner SS crazy....hahah

or install and tune By SS crazy.......

hey SS crazy not bad ,,,,,

 

[[PIMPIN]]

Darkchild - Noted and I'm considering a Genesis but we have yet to take out the engine cause I'm busy at the moment so the extent of the damage remains unknown.

Kaminari - I don't think Tomei needs your original engine in exchange and quite a few people I've spoken to did not mention anything about this. I could be wrong though.

From what I can tell from a very quick survey of the car, the block is as good as gone with a visible hole on the left side. Won't know if the head is gone too but will find out tomorrow - I'm not optimistic so I'm just going to assume the worst and prepare to replace the entire engine.

I guess the only decision that remains is should I trust local workmanship or is the extra money for a Japan built motor worth it. I'm leaning towards Tomei / HKS 2.8s cause I just cannot justify an RB30. Then, turbo selection is another thing I have to make my mind on - twins or single. Currently GT-RS but we'll see.

I'll decide by Thursday latest - now work top priority. If you guys have any suggestions in terms of set-up (stroker/cams/turbo combo, etc), feel free to share. I'll try my best to document the build step by step with pictures where possible to serve as a reference for us all.

Cheers.

 

[bebolagalas T]

Darkchild - Noted and I'm considering a Genesis but we have yet to take out the engine cause I'm busy at the moment so the extent of the damage remains unknown.

Kaminari - I don't think Tomei needs your original engine in exchange and quite a few people I've spoken to did not mention anything about this. I could be wrong though.

From what I can tell from a very quick survey of the car, the block is as good as gone with a visible hole on the left side. Won't know if the head is gone too but will find out tomorrow - I'm not optimistic so I'm just going to assume the worst and prepare to replace the entire engine.

I guess the only decision that remains is should I trust local workmanship or is the extra money for a Japan built motor worth it. I'm leaning towards Tomei / HKS 2.8s cause I just cannot justify an RB30. Then, turbo selection is another thing I have to make my mind on - twins or single. Currently GT-RS but we'll see.

I'll decide by Thursday latest - now work top priority. If you guys have any suggestions in terms of set-up (stroker/cams/turbo combo, etc), feel free to share. I'll try my best to document the build step by step with pictures where possible to serve as a reference for us all.

Cheers.

if u hv RM and Time ..y dont u built your own spec..More adventure More satisfaction:hmmmm: ... i can help u with the turbo selection..but u need to decide 1st single or twin turbo setup..there's pro n cons...

 

[[PIMPIN]]

if u hv RM and Time ..y dont u built your own spec..More adventure More satisfaction:hmmmm: ... i can help u with the turbo selection..but u need to decide 1st single or twin turbo setup..there's pro n cons...

Well, I'll leave the actual build to the pros but I do have an idea of what I want. I'm just curious as to which route others would choose if they were in my situation. Hopefully what I have in mind is doable.

 

[bebolagalas T]

Well, I'll leave the actual build to the pros but I do have an idea of what I want. I'm just curious as to which route others would choose if they were in my situation. Hopefully what I have in mind is doable.

haha..that the hard one - :)..bro u mention u r using GTRS turbo..if u r using twin so no need to upgrade can save ur budget:) estimated twin gtrs capable support almost 800HP!! on engine ..

find RPM2Racing he can help u rebuild engine -from stock to monster

 

[Driftmeister]

Just an opinion for you to ponder further...

Rebuilding is a matter of luck in getting it right, moreover a proper tune is also something you need to think about. It also applies to importing a brand new Tomei or N1 engine. All it takes is one bad tune to take you back to square one.

If I have the cash let's say 100k, i would try to source a modded halfcut (specially arranged thru the junkyards) with all the goodies which has the turbo(s), wiring, cams, all the pipe work, intercooler, ecu, gearbox, clutch (triple plate?), 320km/h meter, etc etc...if your lucky you may also find the matching rear end. You know how the Jap's loved to mod it to the maximum.
Im sure with the extra $$$ left after the purchase of the halfcut, would be for any parts replacement if it is damaged. This way i have more spares which can sell if not required.

...im just too careful how i spend my hard earned money especially nowadays (need to burn fuel more efficiently). Hope you managed to find your direction. Cheers!

 

[DarkChild]

No offense Driftmeister but with a 100k, it'll be doltish to be spending that kind of money on a halfcut. Having said how careful you spend your hard earned cash, why risk imperfections and insecurities from halfcuts? For that kind of money you'd be much safer buying a complete engine from a renowned garage from the land of the rising sun with better assurance and confidence everything is in working order.
With that kind of moolah, you'd probably be able to buy the engine, fly one of the tuners you bought the engine from down from japan and get him to install and tune it for you. You'd be surprised how much 100k can stretch if you know how to. 100k is a lot of money...

 

[bebolagalas T]

No offense Driftmeister but with a 100k, it'll be doltish to be spending that kind of money on a halfcut. Having said how careful you spend your hard earned cash, why risk imperfections and insecurities from halfcuts? For that kind of money you'd be much safer buying a complete engine from a renowned garage from the land of the rising sun with better assurance and confidence everything is in working order.
With that kind of moolah, you'd probably be able to buy the engine, fly one of the tuners you bought the engine from down from japan and get him to install and tune it for you. You'd be surprised how much 100k can stretch if you know how to. 100k is a lot of money...

agree

 

[khoyos]

driftmeister: my mechanic did the same thing. he found a GTR halfcut with all the shit, hks cams, 1000cc injectors, hks fuel rail, hks big momma TA45 turbokit all everything. he thought it would be worth it since the cost of modifying it in malaysia is simply too expensive, especially for a mechanic.
he transplanted the engine into his cefiro.

after merely 2 months the engine blew. after dismantling the engine (post mortem) he found out that the previous dumb fuck japanese owner had put a long list of extreme mods on a STOCK BLOCK with STOCK OIL PUMP! hehehe 1 more RB26 went to GTR heaven...

my point is: u will never know how's the condition of a used engine...

PIMPIN: i do agree with bebolagalas. why dont u have another engine rebuilt (buy an R33 or R34 engine kosong - make sure not R32 - crank collar problem and start from there). that way, u can choose the piston brand (compression ratio based on ur choice), the conrods, the crankshaft, oil pump all based on ur preference... since bebolagalas mentioned that u have turbos that are capable of 800hp, it is wise to build ur engine to withstand somewhere in the region of 1000hp... i'm sure u will know what brands to choose since ur the moderator at SAU.

after my wonderful experience with RB engine, i would HIGHLY suggest u do all of the following since we all know u got no budget issues
-aftermarket oil pump (like greddy,hks, jun - minimum N1)
-sump baffle
-larger sump capacity (somewhere around 10Liters)
-block/restrict oil feed to head

i chose to discard my RB engine after it went to heaven (not GTR heaven though) cos i simply cant afford to rebuild the engine according to my specs. in goes a toyota engine hehehehe