Performance camshaft OR PnP Stage 3

[Kagerosan]

Performance camshaft OR PnP Stage 3 OR Custom Intake Manifold

Guys.. pls help me in choosing between these three modifications?
I drive satria neo cps, and have gone thru PnP stage 1... and using piggyback ems. Still, using stock camshaft & stock intake manifold. Which one between these 3 gives more power?
But i think custom intake manifold can't be fit on neo cps since there's a VIM sensor in the stock intake manifold (correct me if im wrong)...and i think it gives less hp gained between these 3 right?

 

[Izso]

I never understood the concept of "stage 1 / 2 / 3" port and polishing. It should be either PNP-ed or not. Where got stage 1, 2 or 3 one?

Anyway, camshafts give you mid to high power increase so if you're always using that range it's a good investment. Personally between the two you listed I'd go for the cams.

 

[Kagerosan]

Nasty Port Flow offers stage 1 - stage 3 for porting campro head cylinder. Stage 1 is the basic one.. but stage 3 is porting 3angle valve seat cut /valve seat cut/big valve.. im also dont know about this..maybe their marketing strategy. hehe, so i guess i'll take the performance camshaft. How about intake manifold? Some ppl say, the stock cps intake manifold is already enough to support high modified engine..some say better go for custom..gives better flow,blabla. Btw, modification always confusing me... some say A, some say B.

 

[khencana]

Nasty Port Flow offers stage 1 - stage 3 for porting campro head cylinder. Stage 1 is the basic one.. but stage 3 is porting 3angle valve seat cut /valve seat cut/big valve.. im also dont know about this..maybe their marketing strategy. hehe, so i guess i'll take the performance camshaft. How about intake manifold? Some ppl say, the stock cps intake manifold is already enough to support high modified engine..some say better go for custom..gives better flow,blabla. Btw, modification always confusing me... some say A, some say B.

i prefer

1. buy mivec engine
2. install performance camshaft (r3 kot)
3. intake manifold
4. baru management

 

[Kagerosan]

i prefer

1. buy mivec engine
2. install performance camshaft (r3 kot)
3. intake manifold
4. baru management

Wahh mivec!!
if like that, i prefer GTR R35, tuned by AMS Alpha.
More syiok.. zerotohundred in 2.3sec only

 

[tofu_manic]

id go cams, then pnp'ed head...then a proven custom intake manifold

just the pnp'ed head alone (what more with "stage 3") without the wilder cam and everything else relatively standard it may be overkill

 

[Izso]

Nasty Port Flow offers stage 1 - stage 3 for porting campro head cylinder. Stage 1 is the basic one.. but stage 3 is porting 3angle valve seat cut /valve seat cut/big valve.. im also dont know about this..maybe their marketing strategy. hehe, so i guess i'll take the performance camshaft. How about intake manifold? Some ppl say, the stock cps intake manifold is already enough to support high modified engine..some say better go for custom..gives better flow,blabla. Btw, modification always confusing me... some say A, some say B.

Man.. I hate it when people do that. They should do everything one shot! To charge people 3 times just to do one job is really erm... money minded. But I guess it's good for business and no one other than me seems to be complaining.

You said you're worried about the custom intake manifold and the sensor and all that... er... isn't it 'custom'? If 'custom' can't be customized to fit the sensor and all, why is it 'custom'? Should be 'ready made'.

Personally I'd suggest to get a stroker / over sized piston, PNP, cams, fueling then only last intake manifold. And not do one by one, since everything's already out - one shot do. Not enough budget? Save up until you do have enough!

 

[crazykatak]

An engine with ported head performs better with performance camshafts.
Port it 1st, then maybe you'd find there's no need for performance camshafts :D

 

[Kagerosan]

An engine with ported head performs better with performance camshafts.
Port it 1st, then maybe you'd find there's no need for performance camshafts :D

Already port la bro.. but stage 1 only (nasty portflow). not sure how significant the different between stage 1 and 3...if really really significant.. i'll go for PnP stage 3 bcoz it costs me around rm1.3k compare to camshaft rm2.2k. with the balance money.. i can downgrade my rim to 15", buy fuel pump. how ar? any suggestion katak?

 

[Izso]

Don't recommend touching the fuel pump. Walboros and high flow pumps need management to control otherwise you'll run rich all the time.

 

[Kagerosan]

Don't recommend touching the fuel pump. Walboros and high flow pumps need management to control otherwise you'll run rich all the time.

Can piggyback ems control the fuel pump? Bro, as far as i know, CPS only has intake valve timing & lift control only right? if i buy camshaft for exhaust only.. ok or not? plus, the price is half of the intake & exhaust camshaft. this one recommended by my friend. can save some money.. & do other mods

 

[crazykatak]

Fuel pump ? I suggest not. Some cases where people bought Walbro be it genuine or non genuine, have problems such as fuel surging. Due to the nature of the pump not seated properly and moves inside the pump housing.

I suggest you add a piggyback to fine tune your ignition timing and fuel. Rim size is not an issue, if you like it on 16, be it that way :)
Its better to work on a basis of what you have at the moment and not spend unnecessarily.

Suggestions :

- good adjustable cam gears,
- good adjustable fuel pressure regulator,
- maintain OEM plug cables,
- Works Pro Neo / EMS1 piggyback,
- camshaft dialing,
- maintain CPS OEM intake manifold ( yes, the VIM is a good thing bro ); get a good drop in air cleaner,

I'd be happy to assist you in any means.
Can PM me if u have any doubts or questions :)

Cheerio

 

[Kagerosan]

Alright bro..like this can meet up outside la. i dun hv much friend to guide me in modification. i got some before..but they cheated my money.
btw, what do u drive?

*EDITED: PLEASE MIND YOUR LANGUAGE*

 

[crazykatak]

i drive a neo.

dun have to say such strong words..its rude.

 

[Kagerosan]

why not? this malay tipu duit aku...malay cheat malay ma.

 

[bushidofang]

Be mindful of what you're going to say, Kagerosan. No racist remarks here, please and thank you.

 

[Kagerosan]

sorry bro.. that word is not pointing to all malay.. just to those cheaters who cheated me. I'm also malay..

 

[Izlan Rashid]

Fuel pump ? I suggest not. Some cases where people bought Walbro be it genuine or non genuine, have problems such as fuel surging. Due to the nature of the pump not seated properly and moves inside the pump housing.

I suggest you add a piggyback to fine tune your ignition timing and fuel. Rim size is not an issue, if you like it on 16, be it that way :)
Its better to work on a basis of what you have at the moment and not spend unnecessarily.

Suggestions :

- good adjustable cam gears,
- good adjustable fuel pressure regulator,
- maintain OEM plug cables,
- Works Pro Neo / EMS1 piggyback,
- camshaft dialing,
- maintain CPS OEM intake manifold ( yes, the VIM is a good thing bro ); get a good drop in air cleaner,

I'd be happy to assist you in any means.
Can PM me if u have any doubts or questions :)

Cheerio

Hi, i owned a neo cps(m), lightly mod(fuel regulator, cam gear, lighted cam pulley, drop-in k&n, 421 header, EMS1.

The problem is my car cannot go more than 180kmh. Other gears can go to 6.5-7rpm but when in 5th gear rpm drop to 5.5 when speed is 180kmh. Any other cps experience this?

My question is, does neo cps have speed limiter? Can i remove it? And what is the best next mod to increase performance?

 

[Kagerosan]

my neo cps used to be A/T but i change to mivec ck manual gearbox..180kmh @ 5.5k rpm..cannot go further? as far as i know, campro dont hv speed limiter. maybe becoz of lightened crank pulley.. it dropped your top speed. or it maybe bcoz of the tuning of your cam pulley. and from my experience too.. try pump v-power racing..this fuel is for high rpm power. when i use v-power..can go till 200kmh only and if using v-power racing can reach 210kmh.
The best mod to increase performance is upgrade your engine displacement, use higher camshaft spec, ported head cylinder, use high compression piston. these mod are expensive.
If your cheaper one.. bore the throttle body.. change spark plug & plug cable...this light mod wont increae your hp as much as heavy mod

 

[Izlan Rashid]

my neo cps used to be A/T but i change to mivec ck manual gearbox..180kmh @ 5.5k rpm..cannot go further? as far as i know, campro dont hv speed limiter. maybe becoz of lightened crank pulley.. it dropped your top speed. or it maybe bcoz of the tuning of your cam pulley. and from my experience too.. try pump v-power racing..this fuel is for high rpm power. when i use v-power..can go till 200kmh only and if using v-power racing can reach 210kmh.
The best mod to increase performance is upgrade your engine displacement, use higher camshaft spec, ported head cylinder, use high compression piston. these mod are expensive.
If your cheaper one.. bore the throttle body.. change spark plug & plug cable...this light mod wont increae your hp as much as heavy mod

I suspect its the lighted crank pulley also, i'll try to change it to stock, seen i change to lcp, going uphill also a problem for me.

Any other sifu can help.. Btw thanks kagerosan!!

 

[crazykatak]

Hi, i owned a neo cps(m), lightly mod(fuel regulator, cam gear, lighted cam pulley, drop-in k&n, 421 header, EMS1.

The problem is my car cannot go more than 180kmh. Other gears can go to 6.5-7rpm but when in 5th gear rpm drop to 5.5 when speed is 180kmh. Any other cps experience this?

My question is, does neo cps have speed limiter? Can i remove it? And what is the best next mod to increase performance?

Try to work on the cam settings 1st. No point if the settings are incorrect / not precise but you go change the crank pulley..additional time and money spend.

Perhaps..
due to the nature of the gearbox, limiting the top speed to just 200-215 kph..

 

[neohadri]

ya Izlan, i suspect it's ur LCP, so sell it to me cheap2:tongue:

 

[Izlan Rashid]

Try to work on the cam settings 1st. No point if the settings are incorrect / not precise but you go change the crank pulley..additional time and money spend.

Perhaps..
due to the nature of the gearbox, limiting the top speed to just 200-215 kph..

Bro, i tried few difference settings. Not much different on top speed. Which setting works best for u? U dont think it is the lcp that cause this? How about the lack of power going up hill?

Thank u in advance bro

 

[crazykatak]

Bro, i tried few difference settings. Not much different on top speed. Which setting works best for u? U dont think it is the lcp that cause this? How about the lack of power going up hill?

Thank u in advance bro

Remember. Never blame the hardware that u have..
Going uphill with a lightened crank pulley should be easier..as there's more torque at lower / mid RPM range.

To me, there's no one setting that fits all.
There's no such thing as i gain good top speed & gain good pick up at the same time.
It does not work that way bro..

I can not recommend any set up..as you already have a piggy back. Go ask your tuner. Or re tune you EMS.

 

[Izlan Rashid]

Where? Did it at rs dyno