should i get civic type r fd2r or integra dc5?
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DC5R all da way bros ..
FD2 loadsa 'R's wannabe n its a 4-drs.
FN2R, needless to say .. sissy abv all.
juz my 2cents haha.
FD2 loadsa 'R's wannabe n its a 4-drs.
FN2R, needless to say .. sissy abv all.
juz my 2cents haha.
Please read a write-up made by my good friend regarding FD2R VS DC5R. He wrote this way back in 2008. Hope this will help you make up your mind :)
Mivek4doddle: Honda Civic FD2R vs Honda Integra DC5R (My Malaysian Version Review)
Mivek4doddle: Honda Civic FD2R vs Honda Integra DC5R (My Malaysian Version Review)
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FD2R is the best!I got to ride on one FD2R when my dad help his customer to service the FD2R.Very quick pick up.If someone know whats a Type-R is,they'll sure know how to differentiate between a CIVIC Type R and a normal FD2.The brakes will surely tell it out.Big brembo brakes.
i will go for dc5,its more like a sports car rather than dc5,yeah i know ctr is fast,but if dc5 put on the same tyres and suspension,which one will win?
rather than that,u'll look 10 years younger in a dc5.
theres a lot of immitation fd2r.
rather than that,u'll look 10 years younger in a dc5.
theres a lot of immitation fd2r.
Dear Threadstarter,
Having co-owned a DC5R with a friend of mine in Sydney (because broke after buying a Skyline..lol) and having driven an FD2R from Singapore-Cameron Highlands and back to Singapore (stopping on the way at Sepang for a track day) I have gathered precious few things about both cars:
The Integra's stock suspension setup can be a bit difficult to tune, ESPECIALLY the first gen DC5Rs with the curvy headlamps. Alot of owners have seriously F$#%@ed up the handling by lowering their cars, and the aftermarket suspensions often upset the handling balance of the car. The best way to go was to leave it stock. Engine has never been a problem with all the god damn ECUs and frankenstein K24A setups out there (350bhp torque monster), so that should be the least of your concerns.
Driving the DC5R requires skill - the car oversteers readily upon lifting off the throttle, you could say a little like the RX7/RX8, which is a good thing because you can really steer the car with the throttle. NOT say the FD2R doesn't, of course, but more on that later. In my opinion, if you buy the DC5R, you don't even need an aftermarket LSD to enhance the handling. In fact, just leave the car as it is.
On the road, as a daily driver, the DC5R would be the more compliant and FUN of the two cars, simply because the suspension stroke accommodates one more over bumpy roads - and the car is less skittish because of that, which is where we come to the FD2R.
Power wise, the FD2R's K20A has a slight increase in compression ratio, mods to the runners/inlet ports/e-throttle...and about 5PS more than the DC5R's one. The power delivery feels more "solid" as compared to the DC5R as I think the tuning is different..from 4000rpm macam got more punch into the 2nd cam which there's even more PUNCH after that.
The Brembos are also BESAR (front: FD2R - 320mm vs DC5R - 300mm) but not as big as my Evo 9 Brembos at 330mm...muahaha (prasan!)
No doubt you might have heard of how STIFF the god damn bodyshell is, and yes, unfortunately, torsional rigidity seems to be the big in-thing these days - every new car is stiffer than the last, and the manufacturers make a big hoo-haa of it. Any stiffer, and you could probably get all three wheels off the ground just by jacking up one corner of the car...lol
But how is STIFFNESS a good thing on the roads? The DC5R has a shorter wheelbase (2700 vs 2570mm) and in track spec, weighs like 1100+kg without the aircon, spare tyre, etc etc...road spec not too sure..
Cornering - It has to be said that the DC5R DOES NOT need to be so stiff in order to cut a corner as well as the FD2R, which has 18" wheels. I hate to say this, but the Civic Type R gets a big part of it's cornering ability from it's wheels and 225/40 profile semi-slicks alone (DC5R - 215/45 17") According to a Honda engineer that I managed to speak to about the FD2R at it's beta testing during the 2006 Merdeka Millennium Endurance race at Sepang, they designed the suspension and alignment settings just so they could fit in bigger wheels, which to a large extent, limit it's cornering abilities to a smooth piece of road. Show it a few bumps and the ride becomes unbearable and the driver finds that there is loss of control due to the extremely stiff suspension, where it becomes more skittish over irregularities as compared to the Integra Type R.
HOWEVER, all the FD2R's improvements are very much track focused, ie if you like to track, and you want a track-ready car that will makan alot of Evos and whatnot, then go for the Civic Type R. The factory LSD is GREAT, THEN you will really feel the difference and reap the benefits.
There's ALOT of traction, almost no torque steer when u open the vtec, and it doesn't understeer where you'd expect it to. Not once did I feel the need to kick the clutch just to get the car to up it's revs in order to get out of corners because the gearing is better than a DC5R, which can be a little tricky to get into the VTEC zone in certain corners (never driven it on Sepang though..so wouldn't know). Also, the rear doesn't swing out as much as a DC5R as Honda have corrected this (ie. more BORING..lol) Just don't expect it to be fun when driving on a less-smooth piece of road. For that you have the DC5R OR the FN2 Type R, which despite the ridiculous understeer according to Jeremy Clarkson, is actually quite fun when not driving on the limit.
Technically speaking, gears 1-3 on the FD2R have been shortened while 4-6 have been enlarged compared to the DC5R, so you SHOULD expect better pickup and more relaxed cruising (I can't actually remember any difference though...hahaha)
However, if you want a car that does street, track and a little more comfort, the DC5R is your car of choice. When you buy a Type R, you should NOT care about how many people sit where or how many doors the car has or WORSE, how "COOL" it looks or what people say about it, but rather, how the car FEELS to you when you are behind the drivers seat.
O ya, speaking of driver's seat and going away from the performance aspects of these two cars, the STOCK DC5R seats might have been deeper because I felt that it was better fitting for me, macam ada MORE support in hard corners compared to the FD2R, which feels shallow and like it's gunna throw you out at the next hard corner which can be a BIG concern if you track alot. BUT of course there are always aftermarket seats...-grin-
As stiff as the FD2R is, it's easier to drive in your typical KL jam because the dashboard is the same as your typical spaceship Civic - low and wide, compared to the in-your-face treatment of the DC5R's panel dash. I remember I had no problem cutting here and there when going through Sungai Besi punya toll at 5:30pm in the evening. But that also doesn't make the FD2R any more special than your standard Civic when you're inside because the steering wheel (save for the red stitching) is the same as any other Civic and feels too big in a Type R (so another point to the DC5R here) but in saving grace, it DOES have telescopic adjustment like Euro cars which is VERY IMPORTANT to me because my arms are very SHORT, and I like to stretch my legs out while the steering is closer to me so I can bend my arms more.
Each Type R should feel like a natural extension of yourself, much like how BMW M3s used to be, much less so nowadays. Therefore, decide what you need, performance wise, and go from there. Hope this helps :)
Having co-owned a DC5R with a friend of mine in Sydney (because broke after buying a Skyline..lol) and having driven an FD2R from Singapore-Cameron Highlands and back to Singapore (stopping on the way at Sepang for a track day) I have gathered precious few things about both cars:
The Integra's stock suspension setup can be a bit difficult to tune, ESPECIALLY the first gen DC5Rs with the curvy headlamps. Alot of owners have seriously F$#%@ed up the handling by lowering their cars, and the aftermarket suspensions often upset the handling balance of the car. The best way to go was to leave it stock. Engine has never been a problem with all the god damn ECUs and frankenstein K24A setups out there (350bhp torque monster), so that should be the least of your concerns.
Driving the DC5R requires skill - the car oversteers readily upon lifting off the throttle, you could say a little like the RX7/RX8, which is a good thing because you can really steer the car with the throttle. NOT say the FD2R doesn't, of course, but more on that later. In my opinion, if you buy the DC5R, you don't even need an aftermarket LSD to enhance the handling. In fact, just leave the car as it is.
On the road, as a daily driver, the DC5R would be the more compliant and FUN of the two cars, simply because the suspension stroke accommodates one more over bumpy roads - and the car is less skittish because of that, which is where we come to the FD2R.
Power wise, the FD2R's K20A has a slight increase in compression ratio, mods to the runners/inlet ports/e-throttle...and about 5PS more than the DC5R's one. The power delivery feels more "solid" as compared to the DC5R as I think the tuning is different..from 4000rpm macam got more punch into the 2nd cam which there's even more PUNCH after that.
The Brembos are also BESAR (front: FD2R - 320mm vs DC5R - 300mm) but not as big as my Evo 9 Brembos at 330mm...muahaha (prasan!)
No doubt you might have heard of how STIFF the god damn bodyshell is, and yes, unfortunately, torsional rigidity seems to be the big in-thing these days - every new car is stiffer than the last, and the manufacturers make a big hoo-haa of it. Any stiffer, and you could probably get all three wheels off the ground just by jacking up one corner of the car...lol
But how is STIFFNESS a good thing on the roads? The DC5R has a shorter wheelbase (2700 vs 2570mm) and in track spec, weighs like 1100+kg without the aircon, spare tyre, etc etc...road spec not too sure..
Cornering - It has to be said that the DC5R DOES NOT need to be so stiff in order to cut a corner as well as the FD2R, which has 18" wheels. I hate to say this, but the Civic Type R gets a big part of it's cornering ability from it's wheels and 225/40 profile semi-slicks alone (DC5R - 215/45 17") According to a Honda engineer that I managed to speak to about the FD2R at it's beta testing during the 2006 Merdeka Millennium Endurance race at Sepang, they designed the suspension and alignment settings just so they could fit in bigger wheels, which to a large extent, limit it's cornering abilities to a smooth piece of road. Show it a few bumps and the ride becomes unbearable and the driver finds that there is loss of control due to the extremely stiff suspension, where it becomes more skittish over irregularities as compared to the Integra Type R.
HOWEVER, all the FD2R's improvements are very much track focused, ie if you like to track, and you want a track-ready car that will makan alot of Evos and whatnot, then go for the Civic Type R. The factory LSD is GREAT, THEN you will really feel the difference and reap the benefits.
There's ALOT of traction, almost no torque steer when u open the vtec, and it doesn't understeer where you'd expect it to. Not once did I feel the need to kick the clutch just to get the car to up it's revs in order to get out of corners because the gearing is better than a DC5R, which can be a little tricky to get into the VTEC zone in certain corners (never driven it on Sepang though..so wouldn't know). Also, the rear doesn't swing out as much as a DC5R as Honda have corrected this (ie. more BORING..lol) Just don't expect it to be fun when driving on a less-smooth piece of road. For that you have the DC5R OR the FN2 Type R, which despite the ridiculous understeer according to Jeremy Clarkson, is actually quite fun when not driving on the limit.
Technically speaking, gears 1-3 on the FD2R have been shortened while 4-6 have been enlarged compared to the DC5R, so you SHOULD expect better pickup and more relaxed cruising (I can't actually remember any difference though...hahaha)
However, if you want a car that does street, track and a little more comfort, the DC5R is your car of choice. When you buy a Type R, you should NOT care about how many people sit where or how many doors the car has or WORSE, how "COOL" it looks or what people say about it, but rather, how the car FEELS to you when you are behind the drivers seat.
O ya, speaking of driver's seat and going away from the performance aspects of these two cars, the STOCK DC5R seats might have been deeper because I felt that it was better fitting for me, macam ada MORE support in hard corners compared to the FD2R, which feels shallow and like it's gunna throw you out at the next hard corner which can be a BIG concern if you track alot. BUT of course there are always aftermarket seats...-grin-
As stiff as the FD2R is, it's easier to drive in your typical KL jam because the dashboard is the same as your typical spaceship Civic - low and wide, compared to the in-your-face treatment of the DC5R's panel dash. I remember I had no problem cutting here and there when going through Sungai Besi punya toll at 5:30pm in the evening. But that also doesn't make the FD2R any more special than your standard Civic when you're inside because the steering wheel (save for the red stitching) is the same as any other Civic and feels too big in a Type R (so another point to the DC5R here) but in saving grace, it DOES have telescopic adjustment like Euro cars which is VERY IMPORTANT to me because my arms are very SHORT, and I like to stretch my legs out while the steering is closer to me so I can bend my arms more.
Each Type R should feel like a natural extension of yourself, much like how BMW M3s used to be, much less so nowadays. Therefore, decide what you need, performance wise, and go from there. Hope this helps :)
you'll never know if the integra is type s before
p/s : fd2r will be my choice
yes,integra type S is available out there, but can we find they convert it to type R compare with fd 2 converted to fd2r?
but,most important, go and do a research about the technical spec, performance, feedback from fd2r and dc5r owner before..
then we can make a decision which one can suit us...
for me both got the pros n cons...both are the type R and all the type R are awesome!its build for performance!R for revolutinary! R is absolutely not for a PLAYBOY!
either u choose fd2r or dc5r, u already success to choose honda!the way u dreams!
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