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Danny

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why do you have to apologise like this? If you are telling the truth, and the imitation GAB really sucks, so be it.
 

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Originally posted by ninja_iga@Jul 23 2004, 07:02 PM
it seems that the truth hurts for some ppl.. :(
Stanley,

may be next time use non-hurting words but still get d message across ha ha B)
 

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don't worry legally he can't do anything to you, since it is not considered as defamation for telling the truth. The only thing he can do to you is to hire some thugs to beat you up, which is already a criminal offense.
 

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bro, I don't agree that you need to apologize to the public! is the guy treathen you again? sms you again? If you're telling the truth, you don't need to apologize to the public. If they think they are right, please ask them to prove it!
 

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if u guys haf the damn prove to prove that all those are imitation and that ur words are "correct", then y not i suggest u go ahead and take action?? instead u ppl are just playing around with words and debating whose products are imitation. if u dare to call urself "guys" then compete the right and ethical way, not stabbing anyone's back without their knowledge. i'm actually shocked to see this scenario happening even between guys. well, if ur business is really that good, then u reli dun haf to make ur competitors' products sound so inferior. all this while u are only saying abt "collecting evidence, taking pictures, notifying japan's comopany", but i see no action at all. if wat u mentioned was right abt the imitation and stuff, y ppl still buy the goods? so u mean to say that consumers are conned. but i seriously think that ppl nowadays are far more intelligent than u think. they wouldn't pay such a big sum of money without thinking. maybe u can say some problems arise with the absorbers u bought from there, but nothing is perfect in this world. i'm sure that some things u buy also has their defects but certainly not all. i'm sure if u take the initiative to go back and ask for ur abs to be serviced, who will be so stupid to just simply repair it for u and lose business prospect in the future? we're talking abt business here and of coz no 1 wants to imitate and get profit just for a certain time. we're talking abt long-term business if u know wat i mean. anyway, i'm talking abt justice and evidence. since some ppl are only interested in making up stories abt others without evidence, then y waste ur time reading my msg.
 

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Dear customers, i'm one of the sales manager from RS1. Actually what does ninja know abt our product? All of our products are highly tested by dyno machine which is imported from japan. If you're interested, inform me, i can prove to you that my dyno graph actually exist.

We're not sure how they test the abs.
Do you think that a perfect absorber can be tested using bare hands? Our abs are unique and different from others. Every abs have their own characteristics as well as their advantages and disadvantages.

Plus, we have alot of prestigious dealers around Malaysia. If you don't believe, try exploring to those shops yourself. Do you think that they are fools to buy imitation products? The reason they order from us is because of our abs' quality and not bcs of a so-called cheap imitation absorber.

Everyone has different views on this matter. Since their mouth belongs to them and we cannot control what ppl say, let them be.

Business is all about professionalism. There are a variety of ways to attract customers but it may differ for some ppl. But certainly, we have to do it the professional and ethical way (not stabbing your competitors' back). If everyone is trying to attract customers by looking down on their competitors, strong competition will occur and each will definitely get a dose of their own medicine (each party will not get any advantage).

If you have further doubts, pls visit our shop personally to clarify things (not sending someone there and belief their judgements) because what u hear from others may be distorted and fake. We are able to prove that our shock abs are not imitation.
 

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wow... a new sign-up man talk so long at here... looks like prepared a lot of homework liow...

i dun think u are a new ppl at here... why dun use ur regular account? Are u DUN DARE to use or u really a new ppl? or "san yau si" body got shit? lol~~~ :lol:

just my 2 cents,,,
 

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ahahahhahahaha
funny :D
 

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it's up to u to think wateva u like. but all i can say is i'm new here. i dun haf to use a new account if i'm a regular here. not like wat u said, "san yau si".
 

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Originally posted by Starlite@Jul 23 2004, 11:43 PM
well, if ur business is really that good, then u reli dun haf to make ur competitors' products sound so inferior.
Stanley - I told you............... he is right....................
 

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Originally posted by Starlite@Jul 23 2004, 11:43 PM
if u guys haf the damn prove to prove that all those are imitation and that ur words are "correct", then y not i suggest u go ahead and take action?? instead u ppl are just playing around with words and debating whose products are imitation. if u dare to call urself "guys" then compete the right and ethical way, not stabbing anyone's back without their knowledge. i'm actually shocked to see this scenario happening even between guys.
well he is right also ..................... oooppppppssssssssss sorry Stanley - I can see stones coming from Bandar Utama already ......... :) hehehehh
 

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Originally posted by Starlite@Jul 23 2004, 11:43 PM
but i seriously think that ppl nowadays are far more intelligent than u think. they wouldn't pay such a big sum of money without thinking. maybe u can say some problems arise with the absorbers u bought from there, but nothing is perfect in this world. i'm sure that some things u buy also has their defects but certainly not all. i'm sure if u take the initiative to go back and ask for ur abs to be serviced, who will be so stupid to just simply repair it for u and lose business prospect in the future? we're talking abt business here and of coz no 1 wants to imitate and get profit just for a certain time. we're talking abt long-term business if u know wat i mean. anyway, i'm talking abt justice and evidence. since some ppl are only interested in making up stories abt others without evidence, then y waste ur time reading my msg.
Sorry, I KNOW you are wrong.

Things like SUSPENSION - absorbers - although looked like very simple, known to work as simple devices - however is ONE of the world's most difficult engineering, because it has the most VARIABLES.

There are just not enough - and will never be enough - EDUCATED public who knows what is good and what is bad.

Hence they all will buy the wrong thing, why? because they are forced to use their last line of judgement / believe, which is whoever brand advertise WINS.

You know this very clear...... it's human psychology. Discovered by the very white people long ago...

advertisement, propaganda, man.............

So, the conclusion is people will still buy the wrong thing - always.



All the dealers are who? at the end of the day just another business men.

No offence - but I don't know many "ECTHICAL" business men. All so chin cai, got money come - don't care already.
 

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diu!!! bring titan abs and GAB abs to dyno at an independent shop from there see it at your own eyes.

sorry to say this but i am not a titan customer or a GAB customer but just someone on the fair side of things, if either one is an imitation then both of you deserve to sue each other of watever that u like to do, so be it.

wats a sales manager duty, to provide all critics that are wrong and that their products are safe and worthy to use by interested buyers who wans to install it in their car. and also to make sure your company is well protected from critics, and in this world of business there will be critics all over not only on suspensions or abs. and each has to face that critic in order to make their product more publicly aware.

and titan suspensions has every right to comment on your products whether to prove and compare. and GAB has every right to tell or do do the same.

So what da big fuss!!!! both of u are in this business tactic of "criticsm" not only by you EACH other but also by other abs manufacturer as well...just settle things with each other looking at one's own eyes. i believe both of you has D advantage of each other in terms of product and know-how.

hey if u wanna talk to me pls do so.

wat for fighting each other? either way its not good for ur business, if u wanna flame or hentam each other go to a flaming section in general.

this is business, wats business without competitiveness??


cheers!! B)
 

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Originally posted by (XO)@Jul 24 2004, 12:24 AM
Dear customers, i'm one of the sales manager from RS1. Actually what does ninja know abt our product? All of our products are highly tested by dyno machine which is imported from japan.
XO,

I'm very glad that someone from some other brand come up and talk about this.

I'm talking using the attitude of a "consumer" and talking to "A LOCAL ENTERPRENEUR" Man I should support you man, because I bloody hate foreign brands.



Disclaimer - Words from my heart, some sound like scolding / complaing. But please read it in the crying manner, because I'm really sad for Malaysians for this.


The HWL brand, not so good lah interms of product as well as image. Well bad image in this forum anyway. Why?

Not I taruh you, but your customer complain you know.


Man, I went to Top Perfect in Sg Buloh, Talked to Mr Wong, and wanted to buy the MT4 RM2.8k

I ask a quotation from him, specifying what I'm being sold, what's the warranty period, and most importantly must print the "service until you satisfied" - because that's that he says from his mouth.

You know what happen ar?

He walked away and don't want to talk to me.

At 1st I though he go do something, I stupid stupid give face wait until half an hour - he still walk here walk there do nothing, then I ask him why? He said no lah, scared of customer like me lah.

BTW did you read the complain from the putra club MSN message board. Again not from us you know.



Then the very friend whom recommend me to top perfect. over 3 years already top perfect still cannot solve his problem.

That idiot until today still so stupid want to believe top perfect, everytime go kena charge this charge that, but after change something ask me test his car then complain this complain that.

You ask me how to believe the RS1 or MINES or whatever HWL version outside, but inside our own...... how you expect people to believe you?





Some more my other friend, wira sedan, less than 6 months absorber completely lost strength, take back puchong dealer claim warranty - say no service. At the end have to sell off as 2nd-hand.

Before that, every weekend I'll go to his house try to setup different setting for him, always CAN do this, but cannot do that.

From what I see, the FUNDAMENTALS is not right you know, the method you all use. I.E. you all didn't match the coil to the absorber stroke to the car's height to the absorber's mounting seating height and finally to the coil's seat height. ALL salah.






I don't want to say much. You are after all local manufacturer, I should support you. But local or not, you have to earn it, not chin cai quality man.

BTW I'm a engineer, I don't believe ISO standard, because all professionals know it's a stupid thing.

Everyone knows with ISO, doesn't mean it's good.







Then please lah, do your own R&D. AND I WARN YOU, DON"T TELL ME YOU DID - because I BLOODY know you don't know what is

ma+kx+c=0



I know TiTAN don't know this also..... but they got lucky with me, their black magic method / formula / solution manages to cheat me until today.



To the other manufacturers. You all say you all so pretigous, so big and all BUT not one real engineer in the R&D department.

Don't have website also............

No technical support page ..............



except for APM and KYB lah.





Oh yeah, our local university got buy very high-end, very expensive acoustical measurement equipement, latest and all..

And the end how? NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO USE.

Finally how? have to ask me to go.

You think you got absorber dyno - I'm going to trust you meh.

XXX also got dyno lah, you see any great works from there? salah tune got allot lah.



If you want to see how I support local industry, see my website.
 

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bravo acoustic...
respector!!!
how do i calculate spring rate ark?!?
battousai tell me formulas until i blur...
sumthin about curb weight, max cornering G, etc etc etc <_<
 
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