The Best Solution for Comfortable Ride with Minimal Body Roll

[YYC]

Please suggest the best solution for a comfortable ride with minimal body roll. At the same time, also to keep car from sinking too much when heavy loaded with passengers. What is the way to go for the best of both world?

All I can think of is either:
1. softer spring + thicker anti roll bar
2. hi-lo soft-hard adjustables
3. progressive spring
Which one? Or any other way?

Currently my car is running on hi-lo adjustables and I don't really like the characteristics. It is quite bumpy at the rear but if fully loaded the rear is just nice. The front is ok but not as firm as I expect it to be when driving hard. I neither know the brand nor the spring rates.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

I maintain stock springs + performance abs, comfort level acceptable. Handling so so only. but better than stock.
I guess just add on stabilizers bars and stiff rings will be just nice to enjoy the goodness of both worlds

 

[D7zul]

I maintain stock springs + performance abs, comfort level acceptable. Handling so so only. but better than stock.
I guess just add on stabilizers bars and stiff rings will be just nice to enjoy the goodness of both worlds

i agree with supra fanatics.. more or less

but 'comfortable' to u doesn't mean its comfortable to me.. it's unique to individual..

i'm using lowered spring & stock abs.. comfortable to me

he's using stock spring & performance abs.. comfortable to him..

long story short, suspension setup u must try and error to get to ur preference comfortable level

most people just get fully adjustable (hi lo soft hard) then set it to their preference

and anti-roll bar is a must

Gudluck

 

[cvkit17]

What brand of HI/LO are you using currently btw?

 

[YYC]

I was thinking of fully adjustable too but a new set will cost a bomb right?

cvkit17, I have no idea of what brand is my adjustable, I bought the car with the abs on, no more wording on the abs. It is in red colour.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

This one must ask TitanRev to recommend adi

 

[Dayline668]

How much spring rate is depend on car weight, even adjustable can be soft with low spring rate. U wan comfort go for no.1.

They can take out n test how much spring u at. Or just go for those titan adjustable which let u setup spring rate till u satisfy.

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

check your rear spring rate and choose 1 step softer spring at rear...

while at the same time install thicker anti-roll bar...

atleast this is my opinion if u don't want to spend more money on experimenting on whole new suspension setup(new springs and absorber sets) ..

---------- Post added at 05:01 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 04:43 PM ----------

check your rear spring rate and choose 1 step softer spring at rear...

while at the same time install thicker anti-roll bar...

atleast this is my opinion if u don't want to spend more money on experimenting on whole new suspension setup(new springs and absorber sets) ..

 

[Izso]

Please suggest the best solution for a comfortable ride with minimal body roll. At the same time, also to keep car from sinking too much when heavy loaded with passengers. What is the way to go for the best of both world?

All I can think of is either:
1. softer spring + thicker anti roll bar
2. hi-lo soft-hard adjustables
3. progressive spring
Which one? Or any other way?

Currently my car is running on hi-lo adjustables and I don't really like the characteristics. It is quite bumpy at the rear but if fully loaded the rear is just nice. The front is ok but not as firm as I expect it to be when driving hard. I neither know the brand nor the spring rates.

If you can find such a suspension please let me know.

Theoratically though, I do have a recommendation. Eibach Pro-Kit with Koni FSD. The Koni FSD has a dual valve setup which is soft when not under pressure, but stiffens when it is compressed (ie-hard cornering). Comfort and low body roll when you need it. Eibach isn't too hard either and lowers just nice.

If you need further hardening, what I've found effective in my own Wira is supremely thicker front ARB (I went from 20mm to 22mm and the difference was astounding) and thicker rear ARB (mine from stock 16mm to 19mm). Prepare to understeer a bit when pressured though.

 

[arturo]

YYC...sounds like u looking for the perfect suspension setup. comfortable for cruising while hard enough for a spirited drive...

i think you'll need progressive springs with active damping and thick antiroll bars. i know tein has active damping but is not realtime adjustment. u can only set soft or hard from yr cockpit but it cant be set independently for each shock.

i drool for something like those super car's active damping system. one way to have a comfy ride while still having rock solid handling.

 

[Izso]

Although this is a completely pointless thing to mention, I wanna say it anyway. Bose (the sound system company!) made a protoype magnetic suspension absorber similar to the magneto-thingy Audi uses in their higher range cars.

Active suspension ftw!

 

[Mr.Chaser]

Maybe u can try on OEM spring + spring buffer(a.k.a. spring cushion) with heavy duty abs. I'm tried before, quite satisfied!

 

[aHLengChai]

sapura proride + buffer + thicker ARB.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Does, those foam thing under the carriage help in car handling? Heard from a mech told me, it helps improves handling and
more quiet ride...

 

[pwhyze]

Although this is a completely pointless thing to mention, I wanna say it anyway. Bose (the sound system company!) made a protoype magnetic suspension absorber similar to the magneto-thingy Audi uses in their higher range cars.

Active suspension ftw!

This stuff :
Magnetorheological fluid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So high tech I can't even pronounce it yo!

Newer Ferraris use them as well.

Does, those foam thing under the carriage help in car handling? Heard from a mech told me, it helps improves handling and
more quiet ride...

From what I've read, it makes the chassis sturdier when it hardens (= better handling) and also provide better sound insulation (= less noise). It's also pretty light so no weight penalty.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

This stuff :
Magnetorheological fluid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So high tech I can't even pronounce it yo!

Newer Ferraris use them as well.




From what I've read, it makes the chassis sturdier when it hardens (= better handling) and also provide better sound insulation (= less noise). It's also pretty light so no weight penalty.

Yup, that what I was told, but not sure it works so didn't do it
Anyone have experience on that? if yes maybe bro YYC can try. Comfortable ride also
= to quiet ride

 

[6UE5t]

i agree with supra fanatics.. more or less

but 'comfortable' to u doesn't mean its comfortable to me.. it's unique to individual..

i'm using lowered spring & stock abs.. comfortable to me

he's using stock spring & performance abs.. comfortable to him..

long story short, suspension setup u must try and error to get to ur preference comfortable level

most people just get fully adjustable (hi lo soft hard) then set it to their preference

and anti-roll bar is a must

Gudluck

Yeap, suspension comfort/ride quality and handling response is a bit subjective to one's preferences. Theoritically adjustables should be able to meet most needs since it can be adjusted accordingly. But I myself have never used one cuz don't feel like spending the money yet. :) So far I've only resorted to sport/lowered springs with std dampers which is good enough for me. Looks great, not too low even when fully loaded, slightly less body roll than std so handling feels better, almost similar comfort to stock springs. I'm using Tanabe NF series on a Mark X btw. I've used Eibach Pro-Kit before on an old Lancer, and it felt more bumpy. Also have tried APEX springs on the Lancer which felt quite ok, not as bumpy as the Eibach, but probably still not as comfy as the Tanabe NF.

 

[Izso]

Wah.. first time I've heard Tanabe being more comfortable than Eibach. For me it was the other way around on a Vios, but I guess it's all relative. And probably your MarkX is much heavier than the Vios so different performance?

Btw, supraFan : You're talking about autofoam? Autofoam is the only certified chassis stiffening foam in M'sia. There are several other not-as-branded ones around but I don't know if they can truly deliver the same kind of results. Autofoam used to be a Wurth product which has since been discontinued by Wurth (or perhaps they sold the rights to Autofoam). Other products in the market might not be as stiff or might be more brittle (and therefore useless in stiffening) or something. Anyway end result is slightly stiffer chassis and muted external noise but the risk is if you get into a fender bender which damages your chassis, the repair shop will not be able to repair your chassis.

The foam doesn't do much for bodyroll though.

YYC : Thicker stronger antiroll-bars are your best bet without touching your stock suspension. Bars will be heavy and since they hold harder your ride will be affected to some extent but probably not by much. This is the only answer I can think of that isn't relative in terms of comfort or performance or acceptability.

 

[YYC]

How much spring rate is depend on car weight, even adjustable can be soft with low spring rate. U wan comfort go for no.1.

They can take out n test how much spring u at. Or just go for those titan adjustable which let u setup spring rate till u satisfy.

I went to TITAN before trying out with their inverted monotube Civic Demo car. Very close to what I want. However I want to explore further.

check your rear spring rate and choose 1 step softer spring at rear...

while at the same time install thicker anti-roll bar...

atleast this is my opinion if u don't want to spend more money on experimenting on whole new suspension setup(new springs and absorber sets) ..

---------- Post added at 05:01 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 04:43 PM ----------

check your rear spring rate and choose 1 step softer spring at rear...

while at the same time install thicker anti-roll bar...

atleast this is my opinion if u don't want to spend more money on experimenting on whole new suspension setup(new springs and absorber sets) ..

If I want to change my rear spring is that possible, and if possible where can get a progressive type to fit into my existing abs? I got a set of progressive spring on my ex-ride, comfortable during casual driving, firm at curve and when heavy loaded. Good!
thicker arb is in my mind now. However I heard thicker ARB makes bad ride comfort. Is that true?

If you can find such a suspension please let me know.

Theoratically though, I do have a recommendation. Eibach Pro-Kit with Koni FSD. The Koni FSD has a dual valve setup which is soft when not under pressure, but stiffens when it is compressed (ie-hard cornering). Comfort and low body roll when you need it. Eibach isn't too hard either and lowers just nice.

If you need further hardening, what I've found effective in my own Wira is supremely thicker front ARB (I went from 20mm to 22mm and the difference was astounding) and thicker rear ARB (mine from stock 16mm to 19mm). Prepare to understeer a bit when pressured though.

Which ARB could cause understeer? The front or the rear one?

YYC...sounds like u looking for the perfect suspension setup. comfortable for cruising while hard enough for a spirited drive...

i think you'll need progressive springs with active damping and thick antiroll bars. i know tein has active damping but is not realtime adjustment. u can only set soft or hard from yr cockpit but it cant be set independently for each shock.

i drool for something like those super car's active damping system. one way to have a comfy ride while still having rock solid handling.

Hahaha arturo, I am a perfectionist with tight budget. How pathetic.
TEIN Active damping? I saw in TEIN site, Comfort Sport with EDFC system. Don't know they have for Perdana or not.

Maybe u can try on OEM spring + spring buffer(a.k.a. spring cushion) with heavy duty abs. I'm tried before, quite satisfied!

My Iswara is running with G|A|B sport spring, KYB RS abs and buffer. I don't like the handling feel with buffer because handling feedback no good with it. I am forced to put buffer because KYB RS abs is shorter than then normal, without buffer my ride is too low.

sapura proride + buffer + thicker ARB.

No more buffer for me

Does, those foam thing under the carriage help in car handling? Heard from a mech told me, it helps improves handling and
more quiet ride...

Ehh, that stuff helps strengthen chassis and insulate chassis noise resonance. I am planning to get Autofoam but expensive.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Ehh, that stuff helps strengthen chassis and insulate chassis noise resonance. I am planning to get Autofoam but expensive.

But like Izso said, risk is that if we damage our chassis then hard for foreman to do anything about it :afraid: