skunk vs type r intake manifold.

How big is big for throttle body size? Would bigger bore throttle size affect flow velocity? Whats the relationship of the size of the TB vs power? Whats the relationship between intake manifold design + tb with camshaft? a lot of questions here arises.... any takers?
 
How big is big for throttle body size? Would bigger bore throttle size affect flow velocity? Whats the relationship of the size of the TB vs power? Whats the relationship between intake manifold design + tb with camshaft? a lot of questions here arises.... any takers?

totally agree....
all ur mods needed to be match....
high flow in + less flow out = die
low flow in + high flow out = die
high flow in + high flow out = depands ur setup...
hahaha....
loads of question.....
with very less answer.....
in malaysia,just try & error...till u find ur best setup....
 
since i myself dont have few TBs, few IMs and few camshafts to fool on the dyno, i think i cant give the best and exact answers to some of the questions here.

the only way to know how big is big if you had some plenty supersize parts and purposely install and dyno it. results failure will clear doubts definitely.

i dont have a research facility like JG or SKUNK2...but the link below shares good reading.

LINK :
http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/listArticles.asp?Show=1

How big is big for throttle body size? Would bigger bore throttle size affect flow velocity? Whats the relationship of the size of the TB vs power? Whats the relationship between intake manifold design + tb with camshaft? a lot of questions here arises.... any takers?
 
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but for sure S2 Pro intake help alot..
low , mid , high power band.....
if u dont trust me..
trust chris....
better still can bore to 75mm....
i can help u to nego if u want...
i have bought 2 units from him n 1 from ss racing.....

i think its must have item or bolt on mods....
plug n power
 
hey guys JG Peformer X its the best among all intake manifold for B-series engine
I did try my self compare to Type R Vs Skunk 2 VS JG

Type R VS skunk2 2-4 whp & 0.4kg/M Torque
Type R VS JG Performer X 10 WHP & 1.2 KG/M Torque

Lets me get back my old dyno graph n make some post for your guys
or maybe you could check it out at http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2012979&page=1

and they have other good posting about peformer x intake

some picture show below both engine setup also b20b 85 mm bore
Tune with CROME PRO on OBD1 ECU
http://foto.home.net.my/img/15643/picture-002_resize.jpg
http://foto.home.net.my/img/11960/17042007140.jpg
http://foto.home.net.my/img/11961/17042007138.jpg
http://foto.home.net.my/img/11958/17042007144.jpg
http://foto.home.net.my/img/15623/img_0017_resize.jpg
http://foto.home.net.my/img/11914/dynochart.jpg
http://foto.home.net.my/img/13961/dsc00754.jpg
 
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Any overlay of those graph available? graph looks solid... :top:
 
hey guys JG Peformer X its the best among all intake manifold for B-series engine
I did try my self compare to Type R Vs Skunk 2 VS JG

Type R VS skunk2 2-4 whp & 0.4kg/M Torque
Type R VS JG Performer X 10 WHP & 1.2 KG/M Torque

Lets me get back my old dyno graph n make some post for your guys
or maybe you could check it out at http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2012979&page=1

and they have other good posting about peformer x intake

some picture show below both engine setup also b20b 85 mm bore
Tune with CROME PRO on OBD1 ECU

:wavey:dcloo, info pls what is the spec of tis JGPX ID, hw far can it be bored? is it suitbale to mate with stock b16a 58mmTB? or need bigger TB? finally how much price and where to get it?
 
someone forgot to ask about the magic question.

so what is the $price$ for the JG Performer X?

i believe the significant result must have also come
from the extensive mods in the engine. if
this intake were to bolt on a factory stock b16a, then
its a different story :)
 
Here you go...

http://hfortysixit.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/jg-edlebrock-performer-x/

I'm sure the Performer X and skunk2 pro series manifold would be on par but don't quote me on that. It varies with different setups..
 
:wavey:dcloo, info pls what is the spec of tis JGPX ID, hw far can it be bored? is it suitbale to mate with stock b16a 58mmTB? or need bigger TB? finally how much price and where to get it?

Works fine with stock tb...
 
really stock tb would be fine..hmm..the perfomerx looks like an oversize IM (skunk2 also) compare to std b16a IM unit..like guangek9 said, he tried using the skunk2 and ctr on stock b16a. the result was with ctr IM, the improvement is evident. ctr and stock b16a might have good resemblnce in ecu mapping. while IMO std ecu mapping wont be sufficient to give any better response upon performerx and skunk2 installation..rechip and ecu calibration is the compulsory for evident gain.
 
Nothing a google won't solve for you, you can look it up for further info. Anyway, yes, the IM is oversized (pro series and JG performer X) but doesn't mean the stock b16 TB doesnt bolt up right onto the manifold. The aftermarket Intake Manifold opening is made bigger to accomodate any future increase in TB size...
 
Nothing a google won't solve for you, you can look it up for further info. Anyway, yes, the IM is oversized (pro series and JG performer X) but doesn't mean the stock b16 TB doesnt bolt up right onto the manifold. The aftermarket Intake Manifold opening is made bigger to accomodate any future increase in TB size...

Totally agree,
Before you get a new product,
think how far u want to go.
Skunk 2 IM can max bore to 75mm without any problem.
CTR / ITR can max bore 68mm(if im not mistaken)

for best results,u really need a afc to map your setup.
 
I'm really worried about losing flow velocity by using as big of a TB as you can you know...
 
I'm really worried about losing flow velocity by using as big of a TB as you can you know...

For 2.0 70mm will a good deal together high camshaft oversize piston with ported head
 
For 2.0 70mm will a good deal together high camshaft oversize piston with ported head

True, not that i don't know. But i was looking back to the original topic where the OP is on stock b16a and I'm just pointing out so that the OP won't think that going bigger is the way forward without taking other factors into account. Everything compliments each other.
 
Actually there is a trick to install big TB's on stock ITR manifolds.

Sepang drag racers have been using it for quite a while already, but I guess no one noticed.
The TB plate/plenum extender/other names I don't remember ATM. One metal billet piece, bored to the wanted TB bore, with a relocated IACV port (or ports, if the plenum has more than one).

That's where the leak is coming from, IMO.

Based from my experience tuning 2 s2 manifolds, the flow is much better. If you compare fuelling when idling with the stock TB, you will notice that to get a stoich idle, it needs more fuel, so it's probably due to the fact that the plenum is bigger on the inside. The runners are slightly longer and bigger too, giving a bit of top end power, a B20b previously using ITR intake swapping to S2 got 10hp (tuned a bit after swapping, like I said in some other posts, this kinds of mod usually need tuning to get the power gain, if you plonk in without tuning.. I don't think you'll see much difference)

For me, in both cases, cars ran a little leaner after swapping intake, and needed a little bump in fuelling to compensate.

I don't think there's any disadvantages to using bigger TB's, because I believe that the runner size and length ultimately determines how much air gets into the combustion chamber, and it doesn't matter so much because it's not a venturi (with 70mm, I doubt anyone will see a venturi effect), unlike the runners.. It's like having cars travelling on a three lane road at karak, but due to the construction, only one lane is open. Cars still move, but the volume that gets past the same as a normal one lane road.

Practical wise, I don't like too big TB's because they're so hard to drive, the power delivery isn't linear at all, which makes it hard to drive in the rain, or for controlling traction when cornering.

Just like the Quad Setup a while back, the car 'jumps' with the slightest throttle.. how to drive in traffic? (O_o)
 
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isn't different size of throttle body or runner will effect the flow velocity?
 


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