Please advice (gearbox)

[softmuffin]

Please advice~

i'm having problem with my gearbox, manual. there is sound and hard for me to change gear from 1st to 2st +3st. 4st and 5st not problem.

So myself told of a new gearbox since it already 9yrs already.

My ride is a 1.6 dohc.

should i go for a 4G91/4G92 or 4G93 gearbox. don't think wanna try 4G15 gearbox..

Please advice

 

[trex92]

first piece of advise is go and change the gear oil.

 

[softmuffin]

thanks for the advice,
told want to do that also but last 3months, the workshop guy say the oil still can use
(I donno what it means by that lah) but that time 1st and 2st problem only now is getting worst days by days..

Care advice me what do i need to change my gearbox oil. Maybe will send back to proton service center to get it done

1. gearbox oil
2. ???

 

[verticalimit]

change to 4wd gearbox then lock for to 2wd. very tahan ler the gearbox.

 

[Halbreg]

Trex92 is right.
Changes the gear oil again, and if is necessary, change it again. It happened to me with a new car, and I changed three times in one week until it was resolved.
Greetings.

 

[speedking]

may be the synchonizer ring need to replace...

 

[softmuffin]

thanks guys and girls for the info..
any good workshop into to me?
what is this synchonizer ring? my god.. dont thinkthe chinese workshop guys will understand ..
care leave down your phone no so i can call your guys....

may be the synchonizer ring need to replace...

 

[TXtreme]

elo guys,
need to overhaul that gearbox...problems maybe some stopper ring 'patah' or bearing sudah pecah lorrr

 

[jzhost]

try use red line mtl oil 1st, dont overhaul before you try.

the problem happens to me with mivec gb. now solve. 2sen help

 

[softmuffin]

thanks again guys and girls,

let just hope after oil change, the problem will be solve.
you know now like when i happy happy rav my car to 5K ++ from 1st gear
then want to change to 2st and 3st suddenly it jam..
no fun already and ur friends already get pass you .. sad case

btw myself need more info on gear as well

i know that 1.8 and 1.6 clutch is different so if i change my ori gearbox
from 4G92 to 4G93 means i need to change the clutch as well?
blurr blurr

 

[TXtreme]

come on brader, there is no different of 4G92/4G93 gearbox. Protons are using same gearbox for 1.6/1.8 except waja n gen-2.
Need to check yur clutch also. I have experience very difficult to shift 1st to 2nd gear on high rpm. After I changed the clutch plate, it's ok already!

 

[Freedom_Blue]

My car is now 12yrs old.I bought it when it was 10yrs.Had no problems for about 1 year.1 fine day,brought to the mech an ask to check why not feeling powerfull.Mech said change clutch plate.Change the hole set.After change had problem changing gear like urs.Brought back to the shop and mech said this and that rubish.Change oil three times and put gear box oil treatment.After that ok.Now after 1 year having the same problem,tambah teruk lagi my clutch got funny noise.Took to Proton Edar.They told me clutch plate out and poor installation by the last mech.Now ok after P.E did it.The moral of the story is plz refer to Proton Edar or EON expert.

 

[tajulsans]

come on brader, there is no different of 4G92/4G93 gearbox. Protons are using same gearbox for 1.6/1.8 except waja n gen-2.
Need to check yur clutch also. I have experience very difficult to shift 1st to 2nd gear on high rpm. After I changed the clutch plate, it's ok already!

I'm not sure ur definition of "same", the 1.6 and 1.8 gear box ratio are diff even though the casing is the same.. gen2 and waja of course la diff than 4g92, engine orientation already terbalik woo..

soft muffin,
if u merely change gearbox, no problem to fit in ur old clutch.. there is no diff in engine power so it shuld be able to handle, unless if it is badly worn.. then better change to new clutch.. But if it was me, i would straight change to 8.5" lighten ones, better response abit laa.. want more respond than use 3 puk laa..

 

[softmuffin]

hI all,

news update~

Already change the gearbox oil but still same problem.
The proton service center told me it because of the some gigi inside the gearbox is faulty.
So all i need to do is just change the gigi (not sure what tat items call) only.
Do anyone noe how much is this gigi things?

BTW
Mine is a 4G92 block which means i'm using 8" clutch. I just wonder, if i fix back my ori gearbox (1.6 one) can i still change mine 8" clutch to 8.5" since 8.5 is for `1.8?

Please advice?

I'm not sure ur definition of "same", the 1.6 and 1.8 gear box ratio are diff even though the casing is the same.. gen2 and waja of course la diff than 4g92, engine orientation already terbalik woo..

soft muffin,
if u merely change gearbox, no problem to fit in ur old clutch.. there is no diff in engine power so it shuld be able to handle, unless if it is badly worn.. then better change to new clutch.. But if it was me, i would straight change to 8.5" lighten ones, better response abit laa.. want more respond than use 3 puk laa..

 

[jzhost]

1.8 and 1.6 gb ration is totally diff. you will lose all your power is you changed to 1.8 when ur engine is 1.6

i think it might be a syncro problem most likely, if you could get a cheap 1.6 gb, just get it and dump inside the hood, save time and money, else go and repair

usually will cost you nearly 500 or more.

 

[softmuffin]

Yeah the syncro problem.

Don't think will change the full gearbox coz $$$
do you think how much to fix it?
Please advise

1.8 and 1.6 gb ration is totally diff. you will lose all your power is you changed to 1.8 when ur engine is 1.6

i think it might be a syncro problem most likely, if you could get a cheap 1.6 gb, just get it and dump inside the hood, save time and money, else go and repair

usually will cost you nearly 500 or more.

 

[tajulsans]

hI all,

Mine is a 4G92 block which means i'm using 8" clutch. I just wonder, if i fix back my ori gearbox (1.6 one) can i still change mine 8" clutch to 8.5" since 8.5 is for `1.8?

Please advice?

can change, no prob.. but better lighten the flywheel abit as both static and rotational weight increase alot liau.. i'm using 8.5" on my 4g91

 

[TXtreme]

I'm not sure ur definition of "same", the 1.6 and 1.8 gear box ratio are diff even though the casing is the same.. gen2 and waja of course la diff than 4g92, engine orientation already terbalik woo..

1.8 and 1.6 gb ration is totally diff. you will lose all your power is you changed to 1.8 when ur engine is 1.6

dear tajulsans & jzhost,
if you all expert in gear ratio, pls tell me what is the different ratio between 1.6 & 1.8 proton gearbox? and mivec gearbox ratio also

 

[tajulsans]

I'm not sure ur definition of "same", the 1.6 and 1.8 gear box ratio are diff even though the casing is the same.. gen2 and waja of course la diff than 4g92, engine orientation already terbalik woo..

1.8 and 1.6 gb ration is totally diff. you will lose all your power is you changed to 1.8 when ur engine is 1.6

dear tajulsans & jzhost,
if you all expert in gear ratio, pls tell me what is the different ratio between 1.6 & 1.8 proton gearbox? and mivec gearbox ratio also

Hmmm, nice smilin stuff there.. not to say i'm expert in gear ratio la.. but have u checked the mitsu gearbox manual?? even though all are F5M222, the gear ratio are determined by the last 4 codes.. somebody have posted this thing before.. go and check laa.. i'm not gearbox engineer and so are u i guess.. we just correct what is not right..

 

[jzhost]

how could you said that a mivec 1.6 gb is same with stock 1.6 and also 1.8? if so called "SAME" will not all ppl using 1.8gb changed to mivec gb.

FYI, i personally own a mivec gb, 1.8 gb and 1.6 gb... all three gb final is diff. i guest i know better than you with my own experience.

I'm not sure ur definition of "same", the 1.6 and 1.8 gear box ratio are diff even though the casing is the same.. gen2 and waja of course la diff than 4g92, engine orientation already terbalik woo..



Hmmm, nice smilin stuff there.. not to say i'm expert in gear ratio la.. but have u checked the mitsu gearbox manual?? even though all are F5M222, the gear ratio are determined by the last 4 codes.. somebody have posted this thing before.. go and check laa.. i'm not gearbox engineer and so are u i guess.. we just correct what is not right..