Gen2 or Satria Neo?
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Therein lies the problem. You obviously like the Neo for certain reasons, correct? And you bought one, good for you.alexklg said:
But, people here are trying to discuss about the car and obviously also its good and bad points. Potential reasons for OTHER people to like or dislike the car. And you keep telling people, "If you like the car you don't mind the faults". I mean, what's that all about? I'm sorry sir, but hello, that's what people are trying to establish here, whether there are reasons to like it or not.
hmmm... i think you got a point there, silverfish bro.... hahaha.. sorry arh.. sorry.. my wrong. ;) Monday blue, can't think properly. kekeke...
back to topic, if FC you are concern about, maybe you should ask someone who owns a gen2 to tell you. For neo, i'm driving 1.6HL, FC is around 0.20 around town.
safety wise, neo have a slight advantage with its double re-inforced side bars, ABS, EBD and SRS ( all 3 available in HL only). higher rigidity chasis also helps.
handling, no doubt, definitely better than gen2 in stock condition. When i test drove the car, its the handling that amazes me.
back to topic, if FC you are concern about, maybe you should ask someone who owns a gen2 to tell you. For neo, i'm driving 1.6HL, FC is around 0.20 around town.
safety wise, neo have a slight advantage with its double re-inforced side bars, ABS, EBD and SRS ( all 3 available in HL only). higher rigidity chasis also helps.
handling, no doubt, definitely better than gen2 in stock condition. When i test drove the car, its the handling that amazes me.
Now that is definitely a lot more helpful, being an owner and all, to give your own objective (as much as possible) takes on the car as well as the facts and figures.
I can only pound on about how the Neo lacks space inside, but I only sat in it for a while. Whereas you live with it everyday, probably carrying people and other stuff around. So, you would be better placed to tell people what's it like on a day-to-day basis.
I can only pound on about how the Neo lacks space inside, but I only sat in it for a while. Whereas you live with it everyday, probably carrying people and other stuff around. So, you would be better placed to tell people what's it like on a day-to-day basis.
yea... Neo lacks spaces. Low roof, minimal storage compartments... duno where to put my hp and wallet... the 12v socket also very weird placing.. but i nvr used it b4..
rear seat space is minimal. so small that 2 normal adults will have a hard time in the back on long distances.
rear seat space is minimal. so small that 2 normal adults will have a hard time in the back on long distances.
PocketRocket said:
very wierd meh? i think is fine considered ok if is really design by malaysia buatan malaysia.. blek..i own a gen2 myself, is really depend on urself bro.. choose what u want n had no regretz.. 2dr or 4dr u decide :) both almost got the same look
infernaL: yes. agree. but I just couldnt help myself on this. Sorry if i gone overboard or out of topic a bit. but I think, the car like/love is the one you are going to buy especially if the price is hovering at something you can pay for.. yes, there are cars (infact, alot!) we love/like but certainly out of our range.but I think the thread starter can afford any of the two since he owns a Waja.
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me too..buy gen2 la..hehe..4door compare to 2door neo..
i'll just cut and paste about what I've said about both cars from my blog awhile back.
the GEN2
Then came the Gen2, which didn't look as dull as a dishwasher. In fact it looked pretty good from the outside. Curves here, there everywhere. It looked great. Great enough for most people to have a go in it. Unfortunately when this happened, you found out that the driving position took you back to the days of Alfa Romeo in the 1970s. You sit low and outstretched with a steering wheel that it also too low to get comfortable with. Upon exiting the car, you'd find that the steering rake adjuster kept getting in the way of your left knee on the way out. One day, after 3 years of ownership, you'd realise that your left knee may have a large callous or that you'd decide to hammer that piece straight into the steering collumn after suffering from a soccer like knee injury caused by your good looking GEN2. Of course the GEN2 handled great. But you couldn't drive as fast as you wanted due to the ridiculous driving position and seats that gave you no support whatsoever as you'll slide left and right if you drive aggresively. But it looked good, and that was enough for some Malaysians to come out and purchase this car.
Satria NEO
However the Satria Neo did it in for me. It's a nice 3 door warm (not hot as there's no Satria GTI version yet) hatch that looks Ford Focus like from certain angles. You'd find it hard not to like the nicely haunched shape that tells you that it is something quite special. Something like the Gen2, it warrants you to have a go at it. I wanted to have a go at it. So upon launching I walked down to the nearest Proton dealer (I was in Malacca at the time and the Proton showroom was within walking distance from the hotel I was staying) to have a look.
I couldn't fit in it properly. For some unknown reason Proton made it for hobbits and dwarves below the height of 5ft6in. The seat was perched high, the steering low, the door sill/roofline too close to the side. Then when I went again to the Proton Edar showroom in Mutiara Damansara for another look, to give it another feel of the car, I experienced the same.. The seat was perched high, the steering too low and the roof/door exit too low. I even hit my head on the door comming out too fast from the Satria Neo. Note that no one in history has hit their head exiting the earlier Satria.
Let's list the flaws of the Satria Neo and the excuses given to date as stated in a local daily.
The Seat is too high.
According to the Motoring section of the New Straits Times on Sunday about three weeks back, Proton said that the earlier management wanted to keep the low roof. Yes, of course you can blame someone else, but the current management launched it. The blame is also theirs.
According to the Motoring section of the New Straits Times on Last Sunday, The Satria Neo's ECU is located under the driver's seat making it impossible to lower the seats. Now how big is the Neo's ECU? The size of an IBM SERVER? Could it be so large as to fill the entire cavity under the Neo's seat? As far as anyone knows, a vehicle's ECU is about the size of a personal computer's CD ROM drive and its not huge. Excuses are so unbecomming.
Note that when I sat in the Neo, I could'nt see anything when I put down the sun visor. I was perched too high up for it to actually help block out the sun. It actually helped block everything. It was exactly right where I was looking out of. I also note that if you went to your friendly heighbourhood accessory shop and ask them to put that black strip of tinting on the front of the Neo you'd be looking through that strip before you see anything else. And some people put stickers there. He'd be bending down trying to look through the front windscreen after putting stickers.
You also see above the top of the wiper sweep due to the high seats. That would help you get through a Malaysian thunderstorm. Not. How could they design a car where the wiper misses the spot where you are looking through?
The list goes on and on. The plastics are at best, cheap , the steering like the Gen2 NEEDS to be shot and burnt, the air condition vents need some real tactile feel in them and the glove box is obscenely small. Yes, the argument is that at least it has one compared to the Gen2. Maybe Proton should move the ECU there instead of under the seat.
Now I heard that the Satria Neo is a stonkingly good drive. But how am I to drive it if it doesn't fit me properly? I already got turned off by the ridiculous driving position. The only time i'd drive it was if a friend bought it and I had to steal it from him to save him from the misery. Just imaging owning that car for 9 years and having to put up with the appaling driving position for so long. (9years is the maximum loan amount available to Malaysian buyers and some may own a car for that period of time). However, there is a disclaimer here. People under 5ft 6in may not suffer any of the pain described above. Hence the statement that the Neo is for dwarves and hobbits. I think the designer for this car is frodo baggins.
I still own my Wira, but I'm not going to buy the current generation of proton for the reasons above. I suggest keep the Waja. Don't waste your money as its the best of all the new Protons around even tho' its the oldest.
regards
the GEN2
Then came the Gen2, which didn't look as dull as a dishwasher. In fact it looked pretty good from the outside. Curves here, there everywhere. It looked great. Great enough for most people to have a go in it. Unfortunately when this happened, you found out that the driving position took you back to the days of Alfa Romeo in the 1970s. You sit low and outstretched with a steering wheel that it also too low to get comfortable with. Upon exiting the car, you'd find that the steering rake adjuster kept getting in the way of your left knee on the way out. One day, after 3 years of ownership, you'd realise that your left knee may have a large callous or that you'd decide to hammer that piece straight into the steering collumn after suffering from a soccer like knee injury caused by your good looking GEN2. Of course the GEN2 handled great. But you couldn't drive as fast as you wanted due to the ridiculous driving position and seats that gave you no support whatsoever as you'll slide left and right if you drive aggresively. But it looked good, and that was enough for some Malaysians to come out and purchase this car.
Satria NEO
However the Satria Neo did it in for me. It's a nice 3 door warm (not hot as there's no Satria GTI version yet) hatch that looks Ford Focus like from certain angles. You'd find it hard not to like the nicely haunched shape that tells you that it is something quite special. Something like the Gen2, it warrants you to have a go at it. I wanted to have a go at it. So upon launching I walked down to the nearest Proton dealer (I was in Malacca at the time and the Proton showroom was within walking distance from the hotel I was staying) to have a look.
I couldn't fit in it properly. For some unknown reason Proton made it for hobbits and dwarves below the height of 5ft6in. The seat was perched high, the steering low, the door sill/roofline too close to the side. Then when I went again to the Proton Edar showroom in Mutiara Damansara for another look, to give it another feel of the car, I experienced the same.. The seat was perched high, the steering too low and the roof/door exit too low. I even hit my head on the door comming out too fast from the Satria Neo. Note that no one in history has hit their head exiting the earlier Satria.
Let's list the flaws of the Satria Neo and the excuses given to date as stated in a local daily.
The Seat is too high.
According to the Motoring section of the New Straits Times on Sunday about three weeks back, Proton said that the earlier management wanted to keep the low roof. Yes, of course you can blame someone else, but the current management launched it. The blame is also theirs.
According to the Motoring section of the New Straits Times on Last Sunday, The Satria Neo's ECU is located under the driver's seat making it impossible to lower the seats. Now how big is the Neo's ECU? The size of an IBM SERVER? Could it be so large as to fill the entire cavity under the Neo's seat? As far as anyone knows, a vehicle's ECU is about the size of a personal computer's CD ROM drive and its not huge. Excuses are so unbecomming.
Note that when I sat in the Neo, I could'nt see anything when I put down the sun visor. I was perched too high up for it to actually help block out the sun. It actually helped block everything. It was exactly right where I was looking out of. I also note that if you went to your friendly heighbourhood accessory shop and ask them to put that black strip of tinting on the front of the Neo you'd be looking through that strip before you see anything else. And some people put stickers there. He'd be bending down trying to look through the front windscreen after putting stickers.
You also see above the top of the wiper sweep due to the high seats. That would help you get through a Malaysian thunderstorm. Not. How could they design a car where the wiper misses the spot where you are looking through?
The list goes on and on. The plastics are at best, cheap , the steering like the Gen2 NEEDS to be shot and burnt, the air condition vents need some real tactile feel in them and the glove box is obscenely small. Yes, the argument is that at least it has one compared to the Gen2. Maybe Proton should move the ECU there instead of under the seat.
Now I heard that the Satria Neo is a stonkingly good drive. But how am I to drive it if it doesn't fit me properly? I already got turned off by the ridiculous driving position. The only time i'd drive it was if a friend bought it and I had to steal it from him to save him from the misery. Just imaging owning that car for 9 years and having to put up with the appaling driving position for so long. (9years is the maximum loan amount available to Malaysian buyers and some may own a car for that period of time). However, there is a disclaimer here. People under 5ft 6in may not suffer any of the pain described above. Hence the statement that the Neo is for dwarves and hobbits. I think the designer for this car is frodo baggins.
I still own my Wira, but I'm not going to buy the current generation of proton for the reasons above. I suggest keep the Waja. Don't waste your money as its the best of all the new Protons around even tho' its the oldest.
regards
buy gen2 lah..
mine drive 1.3(a) gen2 and my fiance drive 1.6(a) neo
evry week we change cars,so i can compare which is better
gen2(1.3)...low pickup,but very2 easy handling (150km = stabil)..avrage FC around 7.5 to 8L/100km
neo(1.6)..preety fast than 1.3 gen2,but i feel very "ringan" went the car reach 140km n above..FC is around 8.2 to 9L/100km
neo=suitable for gurl n ronda2 evry weekend
gen2=for both
p/s:for yrs info,mine n my fiance cars only below 5000km(millage) until today,still "bau kedai" lagi..:))
mine drive 1.3(a) gen2 and my fiance drive 1.6(a) neo
evry week we change cars,so i can compare which is better
gen2(1.3)...low pickup,but very2 easy handling (150km = stabil)..avrage FC around 7.5 to 8L/100km
neo(1.6)..preety fast than 1.3 gen2,but i feel very "ringan" went the car reach 140km n above..FC is around 8.2 to 9L/100km
neo=suitable for gurl n ronda2 evry weekend
gen2=for both
p/s:for yrs info,mine n my fiance cars only below 5000km(millage) until today,still "bau kedai" lagi..:))
This two model has been bothering me quite some time until now i cant make up my mind which model should i get.. Gen2 or Neo?
What I like about Gen2:
- Look sporty from the outside.
- 4 doors
- Price reasonable
What i don like about Gen2:
- Interior is a bit weird
- To me, Gen2 is reflect to new generation, but i donno why we got old fashioned clock doing there?
- The seats are uncomfortable. ( heard from my friends )
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What i like about Neo:
- Look sporty from the outside
- Better than the old satria
- Price reasonable
What i don like about Neo:
- 2 doors
- Not enough compartments.
- Look cramp for ppl sitting at the back
- Just fit nice for two person
What I like about Gen2:
- Look sporty from the outside.
- 4 doors
- Price reasonable
What i don like about Gen2:
- Interior is a bit weird
- To me, Gen2 is reflect to new generation, but i donno why we got old fashioned clock doing there?
- The seats are uncomfortable. ( heard from my friends )
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What i like about Neo:
- Look sporty from the outside
- Better than the old satria
- Price reasonable
What i don like about Neo:
- 2 doors
- Not enough compartments.
- Look cramp for ppl sitting at the back
- Just fit nice for two person
This two model has been bothering me quite some time until now i cant make up my mind which model should i get.. Gen2 or Neo?
What I like about Gen2:
- Look sporty from the outside.
- 4 doors
- Price reasonable
What i don like about Gen2:
- Interior is a bit weird
- To me, Gen2 is reflect to new generation, but i donno why we got old fashioned clock doing there?
- The seats are uncomfortable. ( heard from my friends )
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What i like about Neo:
- Look sporty from the outside
- Better than the old satria
- Price reasonable
What i don like about Neo:
- 2 doors
- Not enough compartments.
- Look cramp for ppl sitting at the back
- Just fit nice for two person
What I like about Gen2:
- Look sporty from the outside.
- 4 doors
- Price reasonable
What i don like about Gen2:
- Interior is a bit weird
- To me, Gen2 is reflect to new generation, but i donno why we got old fashioned clock doing there?
- The seats are uncomfortable. ( heard from my friends )
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What i like about Neo:
- Look sporty from the outside
- Better than the old satria
- Price reasonable
What i don like about Neo:
- 2 doors
- Not enough compartments.
- Look cramp for ppl sitting at the back
- Just fit nice for two person
i test drived the 1.6 neo yesterday, and i can fit in properly haha !! Im almost 6 feet by the way. The only complaints i have is the space and the glove box size. What i liked the most is the handling. It feels very stable, and the suspension is not too soft, and not too hard. Just nice
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