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arejek

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Hi all sifu there..

I'm new here n new in mod world. Wanna know wat was final drive for and wat is difference between each final drive?? Is it makes gear become shorter by using smaller number, e.g. 4.490??
 

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"Makes gear shorter"??? haha.
4.490 is the result of the number of teeth on the Differential Ring Gear divided the number of teeth on the Differential Drive Pinion.
Which means when the Differential Drive Pinion turns 4.490 revolution, your Differential Ring Gear turns 1 revolution.
The higher the Number, the more torque it had converted to your wheels but turns slower.
What do you want to do with it? Just wanna know? good luck.
That's all i can answer. Correct me if im wrong. hehe
 

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speaking of that...
final drive = highest gear
but lets say those 5th gear ratio is 0.85...
then final drive 4.9...
how ar?5th gear is final gear woh...y 0.85 and 4.9 wan?
 

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speaking of that...
final drive = highest gear
but lets say those 5th gear ratio is 0.85...
then final drive 4.9...
how ar?5th gear is final gear woh...y 0.85 and 4.9 wan?
Not like that la... haha... 5th gear is 5th gear ma... final drive is final drive...
OR, 5th gear is the final "gear" of your gearbox la...
0.85 is the gear ratio of your 5th gear, means when your engine turns 0.85 revolution, your output from the gearbox is 1 revolution, which means the output is faster but less torque. This one is called Overdrive.
Let's say 1st gear, your gear ratio is 4.00. Means??? When engine turns 4 revolution, the output from the gearbox is only 1 revolution. Means slower and you gain more torque. This one called Underdrive..
Too long ah? confused??? haha....
 
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Wah...very confused la now... How to know engine revolution??
 

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so the higher is for torque and the lower is for speed?
final drive is final gear or what?
 

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Arejek, your car got dashboard right??? There got a engine rpm meter ma. RPM = Revolution per minute

Na_power. Simply saying is like that la. What is final gear meant for you? The last gear of the whole drive train? If so, it is either the Ring Gear of the differential or the pinion gear inside the differential. Hehe. So, it depends on how you think of it. hehe
And the final drive is referring the drive pinion and the ring gear la.
 

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the last gear, gear 5 or 6=final gear=final drive= the smaller gear ratio is for top speed?

sorry kinda so blur hehehehe
 

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yala..but since u said 5th gear or 6th gear is final gear,then y all car spec hv 5th or 6th as 0.85 but also written FINAL GEAR 4.9 [or smtg like that la]
 

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hahaha every1 is confused XD , juz say like that ,


A = 1 to 5th Gear
B = Final Drive

A spin B move, if Final Drive higher, eg. 4.6, 4.8 ur torque will be higher, u ll feel more pickup, but u sacrifice ur top end, means maybe u can drive maximum 150km/h with ur rpm pointing at 7krpm instead previously u can drive 150km/h on 4/5k rpm.

If final drive lower, eg 3.9, 4.0 ur pick up will be normal, but u can drive on top speed, like 150km/h on maybe 3,4k rpm.

I also blur blur , am i correct?
 

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so final drive is different with the gear? gear 1 to 5 or 6 just using one final drive, so in the car trans there's only one final drive? and if sumone upgrade to higher final drive such as 4.9 to 5.01 its for pickup?
 

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so wat does 5th/6th got to do with final drive?
the ratio is so different,one below 1,one above 4[usually]
are these two ratio two different set of gearings?
 

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damn. i feel headache already... sifoo help us to solve this... hehehe tq
 

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Arejek, your car got dashboard right??? There got a engine rpm meter ma. RPM = Revolution per minute
Hehehe.. Didn't know RPM was standing for revolution per min.. Means that higher final drive will giv more pickup, but less top speed, right??
 

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does changing the final drive to a different ratio than the stock final drive
will affect the overall torque even in gear 1,2,3,4 ?
 
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Alamak. So many questions, i can't answer so much. hahah. I try my best la.
Alright. Let's don't call the 5th or 6th gear as the final gear. as i mentioned before.

And for your information, although we do call every car's gearbox as gearbox, but there are actually 2 types of gearbox. In a FF vehicle, we should call the gearbox as transaxle, while in a FR vehicle, call transmission. Generally...

Simon, "5th or 6th as 0.85" means the gearbox has the 5th or 6th gear in 0.85 ratio. 5th/6th gear ratio is referring to the gear ratio of the 5th/6th gear inside the gearbox. And, in your case, the "final gear" is referring to the final drive. Means your final drive is in 4.9 gear ratio la. To clear your a bit doubt with "5th/6th gear" and "final drive", this 2 thing are in separated location in a vehicle if your car is FR or using a transmission. They are connected by propeller shaft, not direct contact. (FF using transaxle). And yes, they are 2 different set of gearings.

kyfei, ya. Everyone is confused. But you got it........ you got it right. hehe.

na_power. Yes. Final drive and gearbox are 2 different thing and separated in a transmission vehicle. And there's Nothing as "gear 1 to 5 or 6 just using one final drive." haha. Every car has 1 final drive doesn't matter your gearbox got how many speed.

wfhan, yes, you are right. Let's say " A x C = T " or " B x C = T "
A and B refer to 1st gear and 2nd gear ratio if your gearbox only has 2 speed.
C refers to your final drive ratio and it is always there at that position.
T is your torque.
So, if you change the A ratio only, it won't affect the result or 2nd gear.
but if you change the C ratio, it will affect both the result isn't it?
Means whatever gear you are in, your output will still need to travel the final drive first before going to your wheels.

I think better do a self study la if that's confusing. hehe. and i got no time to upload the pics for the explanation. Good luck everyone.
 
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edward,
are u in automotive fields ?
cos i see u can explain it a lot, but somehow u still sounded like u no confidence whether the answer u given is right or wrong.. how leh ? hehehe....
aiya.. me too old to go study again lor. we just need a layman explanation terms,
no need explain until so canggih, else lagi confuse.
anyway, thanks for sharing ur knowledge.
peace!
 

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From what I know, the existing of final drive is to give it a further gear reduction. Its a set planetary gears which u can c the picture if u google it. What is it for? Hm..it will give more torque for smaller capacity vehicle or trucks. And..final drive is nothing to do with transmission gears. Its a seperate type of gears.
Someone asked if the final drive is change will it affect the transmission gears? The answer is..make it this way, if u change a final drive from 3.5:1 to 4.5:1, then u will have more torque output, hence better acceleration.

Hope this helps..hehe!
 

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