Basic Maintenance For DC2

[khencana]

thanks izso... now, already got the car, officially. im happy, my wife happy, all happy. cannot wait to hear lecture from my parents when balik kampung this weekend. my point is just "amik kete 2 pintu, untuk safety anak2, lagi safety sbb anak2 tak leh bukak pintu kat blkg" LOL... but only 2 times i drove it becoz to busy hehhee.... now, i got 2 issues here

1. this info according to insurance agency told me :
- takaful ikhlas - cannot cover the car, can cover a car below 15 years old only
- takaful malaysia - same case
- uni asia - same case
- alliance - loading 100%, can cover a car below 15 years old only
- etiqa - RM783, if sum insured rm15k, loading 15%

any comment?

2. this combination, it is reliable?
- cam+retainer+valve spring skunk2 pro3, 1 set
- b16b piston (81mm i think)
- without port and polish
- hondata s300
- standard clucth
- h22a injector
- standard intake manifold
- oversize works throttle body
- ngk BKR6EGP
- standard timing belt
- standard b16a/b18c water pump (22 teeth)
- simota air filter
- aluminium radiator
- arp head stud

my main point is to get a reliable/healthy engine...

thanks in advance....

 

[mADmAN]

1/ try motortakaful.com .... thats where i insure my 95 honda...its etiqa takaful iinm.

2/ pro3 requires quite a high compression to get any power out of it. B16B piston wont be enough to give it the compression it needs. would recommend Toda C2 or Skunk2 Pro2. take note that i have a friend with a B18C-R with 12.5 compression with Pro2 and his VTEC point is at about 7krpm. otherwise wont make any power when set the vtec point lower. i also have another friend with a b18cr with skunk2 tuner 2 cams and making pretty decent amount of power.... take note than when using aftermarket cams, advisable to have adjustable cam pulleys for fine tuning and also aftermarket timing belt like power enterprise or gates racing so that it doesnt break before 80k km... my mechanic told me if i were to fit toda c2 and wanna use honda oem belts, must change every 40k km max.

perhaps u should google for suitable cams for stock bottom B18C-R

b16b piston is a pretty decent upgrade. but quite costly to get it fitted. upah je dah lebih harga piston bro... blom masuk engine oil, gearbox oil, aircond gas etc.

id recommend skipping the b16b piston for now, and get a PnP job done. would be beneficial for the high cams.... b16b piston can masuk later if the engine requires overhauling or something

S300 = good shit.
standard clutch, id recommend something better like the exedy stage 1 or exedy stage 2 (3 or 4 puck) as minimum...but the stock clutch is pretty decent.
h22a injectors oso ok

instead of works, get skunk2 alpha throttle body... and port match ur intake manifold... take note that stock type r intake manifold has a limit it can be port matched... 68mm if not mistaken.... if u get 70mm throttle body, id advise getting skunk2 intake manifold as well and port matching it to 70mm...another favourite option for throttle bodies is the Super90 Throttle body.

spark plugs, up to u... but iinm vtecs use range 7 plugs... OEM plugs are NGK - BCPR7E-11 if not mistaken

timing belt already mentioned above.

air filter again up to ur choice... but... if u have the type r air box... would recommend u check out these DIY Icebox Cold Air Intake mods.
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and just change the filter element to something like K&N or something.

aluminium rad is ok... but personally.... stock radiator is good enough... perhaps look into low temp thermostat and low temp fan switch.....but if ur having overheating issues, u should get that sorted first before doing any mods.

arp head stud = good shit.


another thing u should look into is oil pressure. quite important for VTECs.. but usually stock oil pressure is ok for type r as they are supposed to have a higher pressure oil pump. otherwise, there is a simple mod out there that u can do to increase the pressure... involves a washer in the pump.. not sure if its applicable for type r... but try researching it.

 

[khencana]

1/ try motortakaful.com .... thats where i insure my 95 honda...its etiqa takaful iinm.

2/ pro3 requires quite a high compression to get any power out of it. B16B piston wont be enough to give it the compression it needs. would recommend Toda C2 or Skunk2 Pro2. take note that i have a friend with a B18C-R with 12.5 compression with Pro2 and his VTEC point is at about 7krpm. otherwise wont make any power when set the vtec point lower. i also have another friend with a b18cr with skunk2 tuner 2 cams and making pretty decent amount of power.... take note than when using aftermarket cams, advisable to have adjustable cam pulleys for fine tuning and also aftermarket timing belt like power enterprise or gates racing so that it doesnt break before 80k km... my mechanic told me if i were to fit toda c2 and wanna use honda oem belts, must change every 40k km max.

perhaps u should google for suitable cams for stock bottom B18C-R

b16b piston is a pretty decent upgrade. but quite costly to get it fitted. upah je dah lebih harga piston bro... blom masuk engine oil, gearbox oil, aircond gas etc.

id recommend skipping the b16b piston for now, and get a PnP job done. would be beneficial for the high cams.... b16b piston can masuk later if the engine requires overhauling or something

S300 = good shit.
standard clutch, id recommend something better like the exedy stage 1 or exedy stage 2 (3 or 4 puck) as minimum...but the stock clutch is pretty decent.
h22a injectors oso ok

instead of works, get skunk2 alpha throttle body... and port match ur intake manifold... take note that stock type r intake manifold has a limit it can be port matched... 68mm if not mistaken.... if u get 70mm throttle body, id advise getting skunk2 intake manifold as well and port matching it to 70mm...another favourite option for throttle bodies is the Super90 Throttle body.

spark plugs, up to u... but iinm vtecs use range 7 plugs... OEM plugs are NGK - BCPR7E-11 if not mistaken

timing belt already mentioned above.

air filter again up to ur choice... but... if u have the type r air box... would recommend u check out these DIY Icebox Cold Air Intake mods.
DIY: Icebox how-to - ClubIntegra.com - Acura Integra Forum
IMPROVED: DIY "Icebox" style CAI - Team Integra Forums - Team Integra

and just change the filter element to something like K&N or something.

aluminium rad is ok... but personally.... stock radiator is good enough... perhaps look into low temp thermostat and low temp fan switch.....but if ur having overheating issues, u should get that sorted first before doing any mods.

arp head stud = good shit.


another thing u should look into is oil pressure. quite important for VTECs.. but usually stock oil pressure is ok for type r as they are supposed to have a higher pressure oil pump. otherwise, there is a simple mod out there that u can do to increase the pressure... involves a washer in the pump.. not sure if its applicable for type r... but try researching it.

very good explanation madman... tq so much... in this situation,what do you think if i just change to one set of pro1 (or pro2)... with standard type r retainer, valve spring and piston? i dont want my car keep in workshop longer than my own garage... hehee. im not jenis yg gila kuasa one, juz sedap bwk and reliable (sometimes can cucuk my fren's b8 210) hehhehe.......

 

[mADmAN]

wouldnt advise putting in aftermarket cams with stock valve springs.... get the whole set one shot... satu kali keje.

 

[khencana]

tq again madman... maybe i will downgrade the engine, sell the pro3 and install std b18cr cam....

 

[mADmAN]

if u already have pro3 installed in ur engine ... try getting it tuned with the hondata and see how much power u can get.... if really cannot work with ur engine, then yeah can think of selling off and getting something a little lower.

if u wanna install std cam... id recommend B16B cams instead

 

[khencana]

so, izzit okay with b16b cam + b18c piston + e-manage combination? roughly price is cam 800 + piston 600 = rm1.4k right?

 

[jsdaemon]

Is it because b16b cam is more aggressive than b18cr cam?

 

[pwhyze]

B16B cams are midly different than Pre 98-spec B18CR engines, on the intake VTEC lobe. The rest is the same.

No point changing to B16B cams if you have 98spec B18CR ones since it's the same.

 

[mADmAN]

so, izzit okay with b16b cam + b18c piston + e-manage combination? roughly price is cam 800 + piston 600 = rm1.4k right?

combination is basically ok.... but...

cam 800? no man.. B16B cams are going for about 1.4k thereabouts. and piston? dont u already have that in ur engine? wat pistons u running now?

id prefer to avoid emanage...if u have the cash, Hondata S300 would be good though ull need OBD1 ECU.. iinm ur on OBD2...if u already have an OBD1 ECU...itll cost u about 2.5k siap pasang n tune

same goes for crome...requires OBD1... again if u already have OBD1... this is about RM450 inclusive of dynotune... but if ur ECU has not been rechipped before... just add rm100 for the chip socket.

look into OBD1 conversions... ull need the converter harness and the OBD1 ECU (ECU code P30 is generally preferred)

after that, figure out which one suits ur budget best

Is it because b16b cam is more aggressive than b18cr cam?

yes... slightly more aggressive

No point changing to B16B cams if you have 98spec B18CR ones since it's the same.

actually 98spec cams are still the same as previous years... only year 2000 engines have the B16B cams

 

[pwhyze]

combination is basically ok.... but...

cam 800? no man.. B16B cams are going for about 1.4k thereabouts. and piston? dont u already have that in ur engine? wat pistons u running now?

id prefer to avoid emanage...if u have the cash, Hondata S300 would be good though ull need OBD1 ECU.. iinm ur on OBD2...if u already have an OBD1 ECU...itll cost u about 2.5k siap pasang n tune

same goes for crome...requires OBD1... again if u already have OBD1... this is about RM450 inclusive of dynotune... but if ur ECU has not been rechipped before... just add rm100 for the chip socket.

look into OBD1 conversions... ull need the converter harness and the OBD1 ECU (ECU code P30 is generally preferred)

after that, figure out which one suits ur budget best




yes... slightly more aggressive





actually 98spec cams are still the same as previous years... only year 2000 engines have the B16B cams

Ah so it is. Slight confusion there, thanks.

Any idea how much would the conversion cost? (OBD2 to OBD 1?)

 

[mADmAN]

not too sure... but if i recall...

ECU itself rougly goes for about RM700 iirc... ECU example

the converter harness around RM200 Harness example

 

[khencana]

not too sure... but if i recall...

ECU itself rougly goes for about RM700 iirc... ECU example

the converter harness around RM200 Harness example

madman, so to make it simple, i should get 1 set of b16b head, install s300 and sell the emanage + cam pro3, rite?

 

[mADmAN]

madman, so to make it simple, i should get 1 set of b16b head, install s300 and sell the emanage + cam pro3, rite?

if u already have the e manage and pro3 installed... just use them... get it tuned proper.

if the cam is making decent amount of power in ur car keep it...

S300 is better of course... so upgrade to that if u can

 

[khencana]

if u already have the e manage and pro3 installed... just use them... get it tuned proper.

if the cam is making decent amount of power in ur car keep it...

S300 is better of course... so upgrade to that if u can

my problems are retainer and spring still std type R, compression 12.3 -12 -12 - 14.5 only, need to change high comp pistons, and the pomen recommend s300 for management... so i think just want to downgrade, pro3 to b16b cam.... izzit plug and play? how to fix the compression issue?:hmmmm:

 

[mADmAN]

my problems are retainer and spring still std type R, compression 12.3 -12 -12 - 14.5 only, need to change high comp pistons, and the pomen recommend s300 for management... so i think just want to downgrade, pro3 to b16b cam.... izzit plug and play? how to fix the compression issue?:hmmmm:

"compression 12.3 -12 -12 - 14.5 only" - wat meaning this? u did a compression leak down test? wats the psi? compression leak down only tells u ur cylinder pressure and whether or not its healthy or if there is any leaks via cracks, bad valve seats, worn out piston rings, etc. ur gonna have to open it up and identify the problem first before fixing.

it wont tell u ur compression ratio.

can change valve springs to supertech... RM550 brand new. thats if u plan on keeping the pro3 la

yes the B16B cams are basically plug n play... but of course will need a retune

 

[khencana]

this is what i mean.... in psi kot... hehehe.... Crankcase filled with petrol and diluted oil .. - Fixya
can retainer+spring supertech mix with pro3? izzit durable?...

 

[mADmAN]

oooo...compression leak down...

theres an acceptable range.. i cant recall the range though.

yes can mix diff brands of spring and cams...but of course if u get from same brand should be better la

 

[khencana]

like this one right? Supertech Valve Spring Titanium Retainer Kit - Car Accessories & Parts for sale Selangor - Mudah.my hmmm rm550 still in my budget, but need to change high compression piston (b16b ok?) and better management (s300 or at least) right? may i hv ur fb madman,easier to chit chat.... u help me a lot bro...tq

 

[mADmAN]

imho, change piston no need yet la... especially if u plan on selling the pro3...

yes...its those 2 like in the mudah ad.

search for izrin zamir kamaruzzaman

 

[khencana]

add you already madman... tq

 

[mADmAN]

under what name?

 

[khencana]

fansuri mohammad....

 

[khencana]

once again.....how to determine/check b16b camshafts are in good condition or not? do i need to bring caliper to measure the lobe?