A33 Engine Upgrade

[Ultimate Cefiro]

u r right, but it is too stuffy if compare to the VQ30DE in our cefiro compartment... i'd forgotten the website I'd seen before as to show the VQ30DET being fitted into the A32 in US website, but really messy.... the good is, it gives you instant power of 260bhp!! which can souped many cars on the road jor.... muahahaha, and dont worry abt the engine durability if you keep it stock.....

bro, dun worry.... now i EVEN changed to 20" oledi.... the point is, I SELDOM DRIVE THE CAR... now this is my project car as well as weekend car.... im driving other car as daily car jor.... dats y.... thx for your concern....

 

[weikee]

one you reach 260hp, you want more. power is just like money, the more you get the more you want. the turbo will surely increase the torque to a whole new level of feelings :D

when i drove the s13 track car, the torque is superb and the pull factor is dam addictive :) i hope you can make the first a32 with det.

 

[Ultimate Cefiro]

Weikee, many of us VIPers were performance kaki b4, Teck Weng's brother is one of the example. Last time when i acquired my MR2 also the same thing, modded from N/A to turbo, 245hp is alotta fun dat time, then not enuff after sometimes, mod again until 3-400hp, then after sometimes, bored again... I know wut u mean... But recently I just not so interested in performance, Im more in VIP nowadays.

The purpose i want to mod my car to turbo is that when we go for highway cruising, at least got some turbo sound, keke, not so bored. U know VIP car is not suitable for race if u wanna go full VIP as:

1) bodykit - the VIP car is usually modded with full bodykit, especially the bumpers, most of them change the whole bumpers into FRP bumpers.

2) car height- as to achieve Tsuraichi (fitment and stance), the car must be lowered until ur fander nearly kiss the wheel lips. So the car is just like a scrapper.

3) height lifting - in order to make it convenience, most of the VIPers have to change their shocks to air suspension rather than height adjustable shock, imagine if you race with air bag which is full with air, if the air bag burst, ur car will spin to dunno where...

4) Rims and camber setting- most importantly, bigger the rims, the better it is in VIP, also with an incredible chamber, (+ few degrees), how to race neh??

5) transmission - mostly VIP car is in A/T more than M/T to show the elegance feel, dont u agree?? otherwise i'd changed to M/T long time ago (remember last time i asked u abt the M/T??)

thats y it is a totally different concept, u know what i mean right?? ;D

 

[weikee]

Ultimate ceffy,

I totally agree, is a difference ball games now :) but bit of power is also good, maybe 330n-m of torque will be good for the extra weight.. hehe

I will spend money on power, lucky my taste is only inner beauty (power), and not look :)

 

[Ultimate Cefiro]

Ultimate ceffy,

I totally agree, is a difference ball games now :) but bit of power is also good, maybe 330n-m of torque will be good for the extra weight.. hehe

I will spend money on power, lucky my taste is only inner beauty (power), and not look :)

keke, diiferent ppl different taste bro, just like some of them not even interested in car but like house or go on tour....... thats y nothing to do with luckiness.... but frankly, VIP mod cost is not cheaper than modding performance.. .. i.e. to buy the new air suspension full kit also cost RM16k - 20k edi (Japanese/ US Brand).... more expensive than engine conversion.... @o@~~

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but i do agree with u, i rather pick VQ30DE than VQ25DD for its higher torque, also, with our MEVI system, our VQ30DE with MEVI (217hp) is actually has higher hp than US version (Maxima) which is w/o MEVI (189hp)

from wiki:

1994–1998 Nissan Cefiro (A32), 220 PS (217 hp/162 kW) and 206 ft·lbf (279 N·m)
1995–1999 Nissan QX (A32)
1995–1999 Nissan Maxima (A32), 192 PS (189 hp/141 kW) and 205 ft·lbf (278 N·m)

 

[twinhope88]

hi Weikee,

a full tank of 63-liter can run for 720km is marvelous.

My vq20de pumped in 50-liter can only run for 470km max in highway.

it seems 3.0L really more fuel economy + powerful than 2.0L, the bad thing is the expensive roadtax.

I think fitting engine from Z33 and G35 will create a lot of headache as most of the mounting, wiring, etc may be different instead of direct swap.

Anyway, i am wondering if any bro here install a supercharger on their cefiro?

 

[weikee]

Ultimate Cefiro, the local 3L is about 200hp only, the JDM is the one with higher hp and torque and come with LSD g.box :) that is the one in my engine bay now :)

Wow, 20k for the suspension only, dam that is expensive.


twinhope88, don't try to convert rwd 1/2 cut to fwd car especially if you want to use back the wiring. Maybe engine yes, but you will have lots of headache on the g.box and lots of other small small things.

For supercharger think i saw someone was trying to order one from AU or was it NZ. the supercharger kit was develop by some company in US, now is EOL.

 

[Ultimate Cefiro]

twinhope88: yup, i agree with Weikee, very hard to do swapping btw FF and FR since different layout, alotta things also different. But if you want to bolt on turbo or supercharger, firstly our engine is high compression, I had a friend who bolt on turbo for NA cars w/o changing the compression. The result, more powerful than low compression turbo. But the engine wont last too long depends on how frequent you drive the car and the way you step on the pedal. Also, our piston is not as durable as a turbo piston therefore shorter engine life.

Turbo vs Superchrger -- Gd comparison, for me, i will rather choose turbo more than supercharger. Supercharger has a very good response of revving as the supercharger already working since engine idling, which is driven by belt, also reduce air pollution not like turbo which is driven by exhaust gas flow, thats why for now more and more car and also performance workshop i.e. HKS launch a series of supercharger kit for present cars. But the maintenance is a factor, compressor oil also very expensive. If you have to replace the faulty supercharger, it will cost you a bomb as supercharger is usually more expensive than turbine. I.e. the mercedes kompressor for 200K, try to ask the dealer how much is it and you will know, keke. Also, hard to adjust the boost i.e. have to change the pulley to adjust since it is belt driven. Turbo boost can be adjusted by valve system i.e. EVC (Electronic Valve Controller), which provides ease of adjustment. Low maintenance cost as well. Also, the turbine is cheaper and more than supercharger in the market especially in chop shop. Thats why Im going for turbo.

Weikee: above points is just my lima sen, bro, no offense :D

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for my ceffy, I had replace my battery to my rear boot, letting more space for the turbine and piping. But as stated, very headache since the piston size between these engines vary eventhough it bear the same series... DET piston is bigger (93mm) than DE (90mm)... and of course the stroke for DET is shorter.....so no choice to swap the piston into DE. also dunno whether the block is fit or not.... headache!! headache!!

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weikee: i think 190hp for MEVI is on wheel right?? as stated here

http://wiki.maximasdownunder.org/doku.php?id=mevi_swap

 

[weikee]

UC,

i agree with your 5 cents :D, supercharger is more for low to mid power, and easy installation for Fatty a32 :)

As for the JDM, last time i check it was about 210hp, should not be on wheels lah, on wheels with 190 is dam good already for a auto box

 

[imperialrealcs]

guys, anyone came across VQ25DD engine?
im planning to fit them into my A33 cefiro coz 3L roadtax is juz overkill for me :(

 

[seizai]

guys, anyone came across VQ25DD engine?
im planning to fit them into my A33 cefiro coz 3L roadtax is juz overkill for me :(

most of a33 h/cut is neo DD engine

 

[imperialrealcs]

but i hardly see them in kl chopshop.. any recommendation?

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i hardly c them in kl chop shop, any recommendation?

 

[seizai]

many in northern

price also scary

 

[imperialrealcs]

ah, too bad im in kl.. any sifu can recommend place?
btw, how price scarry is scarry? 10k?

 

[Ultimate Cefiro]

check the motor trader, there should have one dunno sell edi or not.... but the price will kill u also i think~~for that price of h/cut and conversion, u can pay few years roadtax b4 u sell car i think....

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not that scary i think, maybe h/cut around 7k gua........ just estimate.... dunno actual price....

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for instance if RM10k include conversion, u may pay 5 years roadtax edi....

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since it was stated in the motor trader, they have VQ25DD and RBs, price start from RM6.xk.....

 

[weikee]

yeah, not to mention the other things you need to consider when you convert the engine, minimal is about 10k, and that is about 9 years of roadtax after you contra the 2.5L roadtax (about 900+-)

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if you really want the 2.5L 1/2 cut, can ask chop shop here to source for you, just got to pay deposit loh. sometime when you are lucky you can get some with very low mileage.

 

[twinhope88]

You can order from the chop shop and tell them you only want low mileage car.
i checked with some chop shop, they said the whole front cut is around rm5k + conversion and jpj, etc - another rm3-4k. So total around rm9k.

for a 3.0L, rm9k can paid almost 5-year roadtax, if we are not using the car for the next 5-year then i think it is not justifiable to convert from 3.0L to 2.5L.
Who knows maybe few years later car exceed certain years with roadtax reduction.....maybe....

 

[weikee]

9k is on the low side, you need to consider the oil seals for the engine and g.box, and all other parts (advice to change) cause once the engine is out, is much more easy to do.

10k to 12k is on the comfortable end.

9k can pay for nearly 8years of roadtax lah, you need to contra 2.5L road tax. 2.5L is about RM 900

 

[seizai]

convert ngv much cheaper

 

[weikee]

i got some feedback from a cab driver he always drive me to klia, the ngv conversion for cefiro, and the sentra are not very reliable. but i can't verify this with other fatty driver, since he is the only person i know drive fatty that using ngv.