B18C-R Fuel Injectors Help

chris2000

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I did some search on fuel injectors and found that there are two types:-

1. Low Impedance (Peak and Hold) Type
2. High Impedance (Saturated) Type

Anyone know which is the type for the common B18C-R and B16A??

I thinking of upgrading injectors, and my mechanic caution me that, if i fit BB4 injectors 345cc without a resistor (or something like that), I will burn the ECU after a few days.

So thats why i need to find out B18C-R use which type so i don't blow my ecu.

Thanks guys..
 
yeap u will need tat thing a magick for H22A which is common with the small v.

Sorry but I forgot already which is which...

Anyway wat u running that needs the injectors upgraded? U don;t haf enuff fuel?
 
i believe the type R and b16a injectors are saturated type. It doesn't come with ballast.

The F and H series injectors will require you to fit a ballast for it to work. But the ballast is usually sold together with the injectors. No issue hooking it up to your existing injector wiring harness. Any mech can do that.
 
hi chris
most obdII should be running on high impedance. the rest obdI and obd0 are low impedance. do take note ek4s are b16a with high impedance since its a P2T obdII. u can try to source out the obd0 injector resistor for you to fit bigger injectors. This can be tested with an ohm meter. it should be aroun 10ohm.

the honda prelude injectors:
year 92-95 non-vtec peak and hold 240cc
year 92-96 vtec peak and hold 330cc
year 97-01 vtec saturated 290cc


chris2000 said:
I did some search on fuel injectors and found that there are two types:-

1. Low Impedance (Peak and Hold) Type
2. High Impedance (Saturated) Type

Anyone know which is the type for the common B18C-R and B16A??

I thinking of upgrading injectors, and my mechanic caution me that, if i fit BB4 injectors 345cc without a resistor (or something like that), I will burn the ECU after a few days.

So thats why i need to find out B18C-R use which type so i don't blow my ecu.

Thanks guys..
 
Actually the car is running B18C GSR wiring, i think it's OBD1. but my mechanic modified the injector wiring to be able to run both GSR or Type R injectors.

My mechanic don't like the idea of running the prelude injectors with ballast, cause he say its old and the ballast spoilts easily which reduce reliability.

I was running high compression on my B18c about 12.5 and the car was running fine with 8000rpm to 8500rpm. Then i got greedy and push it to 9000rpm to 9300rpm thats where problem came. All it takes was just two sessions of 6 laps rounds SIC and I ended up with two melted piston.. Guess my car was not tuned properly at the higher rev and injectors max out capacity. So my mech suggest getting bigger injectors and proper ECU tuning with the bigger injectors, to leash out higher and more reliable power.

So i found RC Eng injectors, and they are damn expensive and don't want to buy the wrong type.

Thanks alot guys..
 
which injectors are best on EK4 using rechipped ecu of EG, running on b20b?

i see many running on prelude 330cc injectors? But there are 3 types of prelude injectors..and which one should i get??

thanks bros.
 
how much is the RC injector anyway?...just being curious...

some people also use mitsu GSR injector in their honda....but some say the spray pattern not that nice compare to honda ones...i don't know whether it's true or not lah...

how do we know that our injectors are going bad while driving?....car jerking?...erratic idling?....knocking?...
 
how much is the RC injector anyway?...just being curious...

some people also use mitsu GSR injector in their honda....but some say the spray pattern not that nice compare to honda ones...i don't know whether it's true or not lah...

how do we know that our injectors are going bad while driving?....car jerking?...erratic idling?....knocking?...

Just happened to me yesterday. pay a visit to my mech regarding the jerking. Thru the phone call the mech suspected the Distributer problem but when come to him different story.

He jacked up my car and start the engine with gear and hear the sound of vtec open. then he said injector problem (i dun believed at 1st). Open up all injector and start to stimulate. Walllaa...he's correct. one of the injector was clog when spray with wd40.

ask him how to know the the injector clog? he said the vtec sound will be "serak" if injector clog. well i think he's right. after that the car run smooth and the vtec not sound like ramli sarip anymore.
 
I have sources now for RC injectors 310cc or 370cc for B-Series engines. If you need any just give me a PM :)
 
when u change your fuel filter, its the same time u service your injectors. unless u have an EMS, prolly u can see the duty cycle. :p

how do we know that our injectors are going bad while driving?....car jerking?...erratic idling?....knocking?...
 
y need all dis blardy expensive aftermarket injectors?i dun think u really need em unless u WOT 24-7 n ur pushing out like >300ps???
B18CR injectors r fine....it can run on both OBD0(w resistor) n OBD1(no resistor)...i've seen 'em...no problem wat so ever n always more thn enuff fuel..all hafta minus d fuel like mad on their air fuel gizmo during dyno tune
 
Chris. 2nd gen B16A and B18C injectors have the different connectors, but they are both saturated type. only the first gen has peak hold injectors, you can see this because they have the ballast/resistor box thingy.

As to whether ALL first gen B16A has this, or only some, I don't know.

You can confirm this by using a multimeter to test the resistance of the injectors.. anything more than 10ohms is a saturated injector, anything less than 5ohms is a peak hold. I think your mech knows this already.

Saturated injector uses a injector driver chip that is cheap, which is why it's commonly available.

Peak hold injector drivers are slightly more complex, as they regulate the current as the current draw during opening is high, but to stay open current draw can be low, (I think around saturated injectors current draw). It does this so it can keep the injectors cool for long running periods. Because of the high opening current (higher than that of saturated injectors, it can open quickly which means injector response is better.

The resistor box or ballast as you call it is just a big resistor block.. inside is no fancy curcuitry, only one big chunk of resistor material. if you measure the honda ones, it gives out about 6ohms of resistance.. so in which case, it's a cheap way to run peak hold injectors. The only drawback of this is that the it will run hotter than saturated in the same situation, depending on if you use mitsu or honda peak hold injectors. I think you can confirm this with your mech.

AEM has a computerised peak hold injector which regulates the current, it's not cheap though, but it does allow the use of aftermarket ECUs that does not have peak hold injector drivers.

Anyway, regardless of what injectors you run, it's an interesting note that hondata DISCOURAGES the use of DSM (a.k.a) injectors. As to why, they never stated.

Now this is not fact, but rather what I THINK, which may be wrong.

I think it's because the DSM/mitsubishi low ohms does not generate enough resistance by itself (2ohms or less? not sure, if you can measure for me, it would be good), and since the honda resistor box on certain preludes, accords and crx/ef only generates about 6ohms of resistance, it's not enough to regulate the current, so the injector drivers get hot and goes wacky or something. The stock injectors are about 10+ohms (or was it 13.5-13.7ohms?)

This is my opinion though, so you should check with hondata why they discourage the use of DSM/mitsubishi injectors.

Anyway, there's some things I've heard about peak hold being able to run on some cars without the resistor box.. if so, surely it's not the ori honda ECU box, because hondata shows a video of a stock ecu connected to a peak hold injector (look in their site)

And the injector driver got fried.

Guess you can't believe all you hear.. :P
 
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when u change your fuel filter, its the same time u service your injectors. unless u have an EMS, prolly u can see the duty cycle. :p

Not so true, since I just figured out how to wire the auxbox for duty cycle reading..

Problem is.. no time!!(>.
heading KL again today.

If got free time, I call any of you for TT.
 

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