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[Izso]

Inspira is a totally different segment with vios n city la, its a 2.0 sedan and why u comparing it with city n vios. city n vios should compare with persona, forte, elantra & peugeot 206 etc....
fyi, inspira sales is much higher to compare to accord, camry, slyphy, optima, sonata....

I agree Inspira is in a different segment but if you're comparing it with Accord, Camry, Sylphy, Optima and Sonata, you're on the wrong segment la. You're comparing a sub RM90k with cars that all cost above RM120k. If you're talking sales - of course la. If you're comparing cars, I dare say the Inspira is no match for any of those cars in that range. But then again it wouldn't really be a fair comparison since IMHO it's not the same segment.

Inspira is more of a Forte competitor than anything else and my guess is Forte is selling better than the Inspira.

City and Vios with Persona, Forte 1.6, probably yes, but Peugeot 206 and Elantra (the new one anyway) are different segments imho.

 

[Veloc]

In my opinion, Proton should prove with the Preve that they have taken a considerable leap in terms of equipment, technology and quality compared to their last generation of cars. There must be overall improvement and that must lead to a competitive Proton, not only in the local market but internationally as well. This would be a good thing only if it leads to a truly open automotive market in Malaysia where Proton can prove that their products can stack up to the competition.

I believe, Proton was too deep in their comfort zone and certainly have taken too long to buck up. Innovation and improvements, many believed, were too little and took too long. Of course, over time, this has resulted in the brand Proton to be associated with the word 'cheap' and 'nasty' and generally a negative public perception towards Proton which is what we are seeing right now, in this very thread. Whether or not that's justifiable is another matter.

Thus, the Preve must prove to the general public that their ways have changed. The quality must be up to par. Old issues must be ironed out, and most important of all, it must be competitive with cars in the same segment. I remain hopeful, that this would ultimately lead to a proper open automotive market in Malaysia where manufacturers are truly competitve with each other on a fair ground, which would of course benefit us the consumer.

The longer they take their time though, the harder it will be to change public perception. In the end, I fear, Proton would fail not because their products are not good enough, but because people simply didn't believe in them anymore.

Agree with this. Now it's not whether the car is bad or good. It's just that it is difficult or near impossible to convince people already. Making a sucky car for some point of time is one thing. Just like korean cars. But staying in comfort zone for too long, repeatedly robbing the people's money and giving people cheapo cars is another level altogether. And proton is in that category. Look at korean cars, they were lousy but they still can rise up today. But proton, why are people saying stuff like that? How many people rae saying similar things? Can one say all those people are wrong?

 

[pwhyze]

Agree with this. Now it's not whether the car is bad or good. It's just that it is difficult or near impossible to convince people already. Making a sucky car for some point of time is one thing. Just like korean cars. But staying in comfort zone for too long, repeatedly robbing the people's money and giving people cheapo cars is another level altogether. And proton is in that category. Look at korean cars, they were lousy but they still can rise up today. But proton, why are people saying stuff like that? How many people rae saying similar things? Can one say all those people are wrong?

Yep, prolonging models like the Wira with 'Special Edition' badging and a GT Wing is shooting yourself in the foot really...:rolleyes:

 

[Veloc]

Yeah. I guess many malaysians are phobia of the word "new model" that comes from proton already.
I appreciate attempts like the Satria GTI and R3 models and the Gen 2 derivatives as well as preve. They are not good to jap standards but those are seriously new models. Not like those wira SE, millenium edition, Saga lmst and similar shits. Having said that, I'm not saying that they are good.

 

[ixeo]

bro,

Inspira is a totally different segment with vios n city la, its a 2.0 sedan and why u comparing it with city n vios. city n vios should compare with persona, forte, elantra & peugeot 206 etc....
fyi, inspira sales is much higher to compare to accord, camry, slyphy, optima, sonata....
btw, i think you personally got serious problem with Proton thats why you keep bashing them, i believe u r a well off person and not using Proton anymore, just leave Proton aside and focus on yr new ride, yr dream ride or whatever ride you intend to buy....why put a spike inside yr heart and keep bashing.

Power window problem, solved years ago bro....Proton giving 10years warranty is to assure customer that they had solve the problem, of cos out of 150000 units plus they produced, a few units with defect due to happen....but that numbers are reducing and they are improving.

features do help sales....cos we buy cars or other gadgets, we also looking for new feautures, add on or latest technology to keep up with the trend.....

no mean to counter anything or pro proton, just sharing cos i also driving a proton....u keep bashing as though proton is rubbish!! its a mean of transport to me who only can afford this price segment...so i cherish my proton la....cheerz bro.

Wow, as a Moderator you seem unable to moderate at all.
Keep the discussion on topic, resorting to personal assumptions or what you think about the individuals discussing the topic is irrelevant.

Please, point out a statement where I bashed Proton without merit.

I don't understand why you compare Inspira (a C-segment with B-segment price tag) with D-segment cars with a D-segment price tag. What is your point?

Inspira is a C-segment car, with a B-segment price tag, which is why I compare it to B-segment Vios and City. Despite being more car for the money, the Vios/City still outsells it over and over. My point is very simple (which appears that you are unable grasp) which I shall elaborate for your benefit.

Ah Beng has a budget of 80~90k to buy a car. The Proton Inspira is a C-segment car, 2L engine based on Japanese technology assembled, sold and supported by Proton. The Toyota Vios is a B-segment car, 1.5L engine made in Thailand and assembled by UMW Toyota, and likewise almost a similar story with the Honda City. With the limited budget Ah Beng has, on paper, you get more car with the Inspira, auto wipers, bigger engine, bigger car, better NVH, but he chose to buy a Vios/City over an Inspira.

Point in case: A lot of people such as Ah Beng with the budget rather buy Toyota Vios rather than the Proton Inspira, despite the Inspira having more features and being in a higher segment.

Relevance to this topic: The Proton Preve is also positioned as a C-segment car by Proton, with a price lower than B-segment cars. So would it fail like its stablemate the Inspira? A C-segment at the same price as B-segment cars, and failed miserably in that price bracket.

Logically, it make sense to buy Inspira over Vios/City. Likewise, I feel it make sense to buy the Preve over Vios/City due to the features, size (C-segment size), engine power (CFE yo). However, the sales numbers of Inspira have shown otherwise. If you asked me to bet on Preve to outsell the Vios/City, I would bet on the Preve. But if it doesn't, Proton can really close shop.

izso: maybe you can share a thing or two on how to have a civilized discussion, to agree to disagree, as well as not making it personal.

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

ok...since proton has bad reputation previously i would say their situation were exactly like Hyundai/Kia product here...

how many ppl bashing up when new generation kia forte/hyundai sonata yf coming to our shore??? but now what you all did see was those car swarming on our road quite a lot.....does that make sense??? after all prev. hyundai accent and kia sephia/spectra experience?


i look this way...give them chance to prove themselve...yes it does take quite a long time to prove...but why all ppl can give so many chance to outsiders while not giving a damm tiny opportunity for our local home-grown product to expand and improve????

after all..i would say this preve was the last chance for dato' syed zainal to prove that he got what it takes to handle a car manufacturer....to make even his position really unstable that recently DRB-accuired proton shares....there's big risk if he fail this time surely DRB would put new people to replace him...(*and if) this really happens we'll later whether proton would make it or leave the industry...


just me n my keyboard 5second tought...

 

[pwhyze]

ok...since proton has bad reputation previously i would say their situation were exactly like Hyundai/Kia product here...

how many ppl bashing up when new generation kia forte/hyundai sonata yf coming to our shore??? but now what you all did see was those car swarming on our road quite a lot.....does that make sense??? after all prev. hyundai accent and kia sephia/spectra experience?


i look this way...give them chance to prove themselve...yes it does take quite a long time to prove...but why all ppl can give so many chance to outsiders while not giving a damm tiny opportunity for our local home-grown product to expand and improve????

after all..i would say this preve was the last chance for dato' syed zainal to prove that he got what it takes to handle a car manufacturer....to make even his position really unstable that recently DRB-accuired proton shares....there's big risk if he fail this time surely DRB would put new people to replace him...(*and if) this really happens we'll later whether proton would make it or leave the industry...


just me n my keyboard 5second tought...

Agreed. That's why I think the Preve is such a crucial model for Proton. It needs to change public perception, simple as. Mind you, it's not gonna be easy.

Make a good product (be it in quality, or even just looks) and people will buy them. But that only works if your reputation is still intact. Proton has been given the time and space to develop in a protected market for a long period of time and peole are only right to question why are improvements so hard to come by. If Proton is not taking the opportunity so graciously given them by the goverment (and us, indirectly) to start growing, then why should we even bother?

 

[arturo]

by the specs n price alone, i would say i would buy one. maybe wait a year or so to see beta testers testing it out first hahahah.

but seriously...i would buy it. who wants to take over my 20 yo car so i can put a deposit down?

 

[et_box]

Uik... What happened here? Saw this from FB...

I personally feel that this is a great leap in design for Proton. Now i wonder if they can leap also for their durability...

 

[ixeo]

Uik... What happened here? Saw this from FB...

I personally feel that this is a great leap in design for Proton. Now i wonder if they can leap also for their durability...

As someone said earlier. The supplier of the parts are the root of the issue. I assume all cronies so they can deliver subpar quality for cut throat prices. This is the reason ppl rather not buy proton. And this is the reason why it will fail epicly if exported.

I'm not bashing. Just stating the reality. If you drive a proton and I hurt your feelings, well too bad

And here.. welding on the chassis breaking apart..that one is done by Proton themselves I presume.
http://www.tokobakso.com/malaysia/kereta/gambar-proton-preve-kemalangan-dan-masalah-lain.html

So, as I've said earlier, global car my ass.

 

[Izso]

Ixeo : that someone is me.

crony crony crony!
blah blah blah!
boo boo boo!
crony crony crony!



My friend was contracted into making parts for P1 but not as a direct supplier. As a subcon to the crony because the original con make crappy parts that resulted in massive radiator recalls. Great huh? Best part is my friend refused the job, asked them to go do themselves because he lost the contract to make the part originally because of the cronies.

So again : crony crony crony!

 

[Veloc]

by the specs n price alone, i would say i would buy one. maybe wait a year or so to see beta testers testing it out first hahahah.

but seriously...i would buy it. who wants to take over my 20 yo car so i can put a deposit down?

Haha... You sure you can let go your sleeper beast?

 

[fraz006]

features sell a car if the car itself is of quality to begin with. if its, well, crap, no amount of features will make up for it. You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

since in your opinion you think features do sell cars, let's wait and see if the Preve outsells the Vios. If it DOES NOT, then the Preve is a sound failure. Let's wait and see. Numbers speak louder than words. Personally, the Preve should outsell the Vios, that's logic, due to price points and feature set. However, looking at Inspira sales numbers behind that of the Vios and City, I think the Proton badge makes a bigger dent that we think. Wait and see.

As for Vios -> Vios TRD..they can do it and people will buy it, despite the fact that its made to rip people off.

first, i am Bob Marley fan, and i feel down that u r using his quote.

cannot like that , bro. Preve/Vios target market are different.

since u say numbers speak louder than words. give us statistics of proton failure vs T ,H ,N ,M ,K ,H.

vios TRD ,why people buy it is obvious la.. brand blinding.not coz of quality

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red PREVE tercabut tayar pic is an accident, as announced by proton edar facebook page

 

[EvolutionZ]

bro,

Inspira is a totally different segment with vios n city la, its a 2.0 sedan and why u comparing it with city n vios. city n vios should compare with persona, forte, elantra & peugeot 206 etc....
fyi, inspira sales is much higher to compare to accord, camry, slyphy, optima, sonata....
btw, i think you personally got serious problem with Proton thats why you keep bashing them, i believe u r a well off person and not using Proton anymore, just leave Proton aside and focus on yr new ride, yr dream ride or whatever ride you intend to buy....why put a spike inside yr heart and keep bashing.

Power window problem, solved years ago bro....Proton giving 10years warranty is to assure customer that they had solve the problem, of cos out of 150000 units plus they produced, a few units with defect due to happen....but that numbers are reducing and they are improving.

features do help sales....cos we buy cars or other gadgets, we also looking for new feautures, add on or latest technology to keep up with the trend.....

no mean to counter anything or pro proton, just sharing cos i also driving a proton....u keep bashing as though proton is rubbish!! its a mean of transport to me who only can afford this price segment...so i cherish my proton la....cheerz bro.

Wow, as a Moderator you seem unable to moderate at all.
Keep the discussion on topic, resorting to personal assumptions or what you think about the individuals discussing the topic is irrelevant.

Please, point out a statement where I bashed Proton without merit.

I don't understand why you compare Inspira (a C-segment with B-segment price tag) with D-segment cars with a D-segment price tag. What is your point?

Inspira is a C-segment car, with a B-segment price tag, which is why I compare it to B-segment Vios and City. Despite being more car for the money, the Vios/City still outsells it over and over. My point is very simple (which appears that you are unable grasp) which I shall elaborate for your benefit.

Ah Beng has a budget of 80~90k to buy a car. The Proton Inspira is a C-segment car, 2L engine based on Japanese technology assembled, sold and supported by Proton. The Toyota Vios is a B-segment car, 1.5L engine made in Thailand and assembled by UMW Toyota, and likewise almost a similar story with the Honda City. With the limited budget Ah Beng has, on paper, you get more car with the Inspira, auto wipers, bigger engine, bigger car, better NVH, but he chose to buy a Vios/City over an Inspira.

Point in case: A lot of people such as Ah Beng with the budget rather buy Toyota Vios rather than the Proton Inspira, despite the Inspira having more features and being in a higher segment.

Relevance to this topic: The Proton Preve is also positioned as a C-segment car by Proton, with a price lower than B-segment cars. So would it fail like its stablemate the Inspira? A C-segment at the same price as B-segment cars, and failed miserably in that price bracket.

Logically, it make sense to buy Inspira over Vios/City. Likewise, I feel it make sense to buy the Preve over Vios/City due to the features, size (C-segment size), engine power (CFE yo). However, the sales numbers of Inspira have shown otherwise. If you asked me to bet on Preve to outsell the Vios/City, I would bet on the Preve. But if it doesn't, Proton can really close shop.

izso: maybe you can share a thing or two on how to have a civilized discussion, to agree to disagree, as well as not making it personal.

dear Ixeo,
maybe u r so well off that u can talk so big and arrogant behind the keyboard, to me, i am sharing and expressing what i think, whatever i posted is based on my own view and i am sharing out as this is an open forum....be it moderator or not moderator, i am still a normal being. as i mentioned earlier, maybe u r too blinded with your ego and keep wanting ppl to agree with whatever statement u made, therefore u start using the word to "civilized discussion" and so on.
using the term ah beng, it means buying vios n city are all ah beng? come on, u can keep bashing as u like and u can keep condemning as u like, i am not gonna continue this unfruitful discussion and sharing with u because i think u being a senior member here doesnt understand the word "sharing"....u can look back into our posting...who is the one getting personal...

no point sharing B segment, C segment or whatever segment as these actually not important to consumer who likes certain car and buy it....its only terms we mentioned in automotive industry to differentiate different target market. i find it normal to share my own thoughts...if it offended you then live with it.....u don have to attack ppl cos it doesnt reflex yr maturity in handling objection in public forum.
i wont wanna argue with u anymore, cos from 1st posting till now, i am sharing and of course in a discussion, there are sure debate...so when ppl debate, u say ppl are getting personal...so i must say SORRY TUANKU...i keep my mouth shut...u r the best....so lets continue our sharing! thanks, cheerz n out....good weekend ahead

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Uik... What happened here? Saw this from FB...

I personally feel that this is a great leap in design for Proton. Now i wonder if they can leap also for their durability...

read in Proton FB, this car met accident while negotiating a corner and went up the divider "which is not in the pics, for those who knows duke/sri gombak/jln gombak interchange under the bridge"..there is a triangle shape divider...it went up the divider..and the RH front suspension/rims/bumper/fender all effected, i did ask for more details but they has not reply yet....

 

[Veloc]

first, i am Bob Marley fan, and i feel down that u r using his quote.

cannot like that , bro. Preve/Vios target market are different.

since u say numbers speak louder than words. give us statistics of proton failure vs T ,H ,N ,M ,K ,H.

vios TRD ,why people buy it is obvious la.. brand blinding.not coz of quality

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red PREVE tercabut tayar pic is an accident, as announced by proton edar facebook page

I am toyota user and love toyotas. But to be fair, I must say that the TRD sportivo is shit and I am dissapointed with it. Not just cosmetics, it does have sportivo suspension setup. But then, we are getting a lot less than what thailand is getting. Their TRD vios got turbo and more goodies. According to my friend, a salesman at toyota, they had initial plans for the TRD engine. But after the gov tax the shit out of us, they found that the price soared way high close to the region fo altis. Therefore it appeals to very little people and they ditched the plan. So actually, i agree it is shit but not caused by toyota themselves. But by the gov. For what? In the end, to protect proton.

Then again, to be fair, all those japanese cars have defects as well and unfortunately, toyota seems to have a lot of them lately. Quality issues. Even some time back in the US, they have probs with Prius sticky pedals. Even some Lexus models. Sigh... But remember, what a lot of people say about proton is not jsut normal issues. But the fact that they took their long sweet time being comfortable and selling us crap quality cars. So it's more like we feel that they took advantage on us rather than quality issues anymore. If it is just quality issues, it can be solved. But when it gets to the heart and it angers people, it is difficult. The whole brand name is ****. Maybe instead of proton, they should just shut it down and rename it electron or neutron .

 

[EvolutionZ]

i thought the same like u said...their damages are too extensive and worst like cancer, no matter what treatment, new medicine or any new breakthrough, ppl will always keep thinking the past....its not a bad idea to suggest to Proton that the name already let ppl perceive them badly, sigh....what to do....now the newer generation of Proton have to face these! some more now the accident and welding thing cause so many feedback in some forums n fb

 

[Veloc]

Actually bro EvolutionZ, something I do not understand about the welding. I can't see very clearly in fb picture. What part is that? Looked like a door is it?

 

[EvolutionZ]

Actually bro EvolutionZ, something I do not understand about the welding. I can't see very clearly in fb picture. What part is that? Looked like a door is it?

yup, i saw in some blog, its a welding connecting the window panel to the door panel...not sure exactly why they welding it.

this is the link: http://www.tokobakso.com/malaysia/kereta/gambar-proton-preve-kemalangan-dan-masalah-lain.html

 

[ixeo]

first, i am Bob Marley fan, and i feel down that u r using his quote.

cannot like that , bro. Preve/Vios target market are different.

since u say numbers speak louder than words. give us statistics of proton failure vs T ,H ,N ,M ,K ,H.

vios TRD ,why people buy it is obvious la.. brand blinding.not coz of quality

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red PREVE tercabut tayar pic is an accident, as announced by proton edar facebook page

Wow, don't take my words out of context. I said Inspira failed against Vios/City. I never mentioned N, M, K at all. It wasn't me.
MAA Vehicle Sales Data for October 2011

there are the numbers, Jan 2011 - October 2011
Inspira 8028
Vios 25485
City 10470

I already said why I compared Inspira to Vios and City. Same price bracket.

Target market different? I don't see how, as they target the individuals with the same buying power? Or you refer to Proton's target market of people who are naive enough to believe Proton?

 

[fraz006]

Wow, don't take my words out of context. I said Inspira failed against Vios/City. I never mentioned N, M, K at all. It wasn't me.
MAA Vehicle Sales Data for October 2011

there are the numbers, Jan 2011 - October 2011
Inspira 8028
Vios 25485
City 10470

I already said why I compared Inspira to Vios and City. Same price bracket.

Target market different? I don't see how, as they target the individuals with the same buying power? Or you refer to Proton's target market of people who are naive enough to believe Proton?

just test drove a preve

-from stanstill, its like saga blm 1.3, but surge comes after 2krpm.i used handbrake,bit improved lag but still like blm 1.3. can live with it i think.
-ride is smooth.like conti set up a bit. stiff2 sedap. no crashy
-handling good, but car stance a bit high.
-interior simple, but font mcm main2
-space very big
-noise very minimal, engine growl is heard, but i like that
- brake is satisfying.
-overall u feel not a proton very much, more like korean japs i think. takde la sampai BMW.

will I buy this? wait till i test drove all other cars in my list.but,yes, the value for money is damn high