185WHP:ONLY Honda Parts - Whats the winning formula?

[hattech-v]

keep up this very good discussion...hehe
grex, i heard lots to be done if wanna put b20b stroker inside b16b/b18cR..
or is it just plug n play with some minor mods on it?

 

[Grex_R]

Feilo vtec u pun tak tau.... from subang. He's the real vtec king in malaysia. Past sepang drag his civic went n clocked at 10 sec+. Amoil,HV racing vtecs ...etc also he makan liao... but their race is gelap 1 lah...

His brain the calculator...hehehhe..

Now feilo n james js racing from penang doing a 1.8 sohc damn f*cking fast even whack B16A with minor mods... imagine that 1.8 SOHC....

N hattech-v: Not much mods to be done lah except u need to balance the cranks n rods coz B20B stuff very heavy. But u need to change to better crank n rod bearings coz oem bearing fast worn out but of coz this setup is much cheaper than buying a B18C5 stroker. For B20B users use B18C5 type R crankshaft n rods for better,safer n durable as toda racing also recommended.

 

[hattech-v]

fei lo b16b 501 damn fast man... last time went to perak drag he got 1st place...
whats the secret aaa? hehe

 

[Grex_R]

hattech-v: Actually if u r running on B18C5 engine dun need to change the stroker coz Type R crankshaft n rods r way much better than B20s.

For all those zth bros my last setup was:

B18C5 98 spec engine:
1.Toda C Cams
2.Toda Valve Spring
3.Crower Retainers
4.Head P&P Valve Angle Job,Cut Valve Seat
5.Spoon T.Body 70mm
6.Skim Block by 1.1mm
7.Ori Gasket
8.Ford 83mm Pistons
9.B20B Rods & Crankshaft Fully Balance By Amoil.(Coz Type R Worn Liao)
10.1-5 Gear Ratio Dunno Wat Brand
11.Spoon 4.6 Final
12.Spoon Lsd
13.Type R Ecu Convert to OBD1 aka Ecu EG6
14.E-Manage
15.FSE Regulator

I guess mostly all the parts listed there... HP was abnove 2XX something but not over 240 hp.

This engine could eat Evo8 n CL500 V8 on the roads but not highway coz top speed only 130km/h...damn sian....

But last time running with jun type 2 with jdm B18C5 gearbox 4.785 manage to clock at 270 + km/h

But i miss the engine.........:)

 

[Grex_R]

Fei lo vtec secret is in his mind ... After he kena stroke jadi lagi pandai.....

But his real secrets r his gear ratio calculation.. even u have a very huge hp doesn't mean ur car can win in 1/4 mile.

Rumours saying that feilo bought 2 gearbox just to combine a 1st or 1st n 2nd gear to combine.. But this is for real he only using an original oem or jdm gearbox from honda in his monster vtec... In the north area i guess most ppl will know jaspal singh that owns a very fast ford sr20... also got makan from feilo white eg... Imagine this guy just purchase of building a gearbox for drag using up nearly RM30k for just 1 gearbox... Staright cuts or dog box can step aside for a while.... coz this crazy guy is a a hit here ...hehehehe... Maybe he should start setting up a brand FLV for gear products.. FLV=Fei Lo Vtec.
Like Ats,Kaaz or OS.

Flame all u want bros but this the stuff i've heard ok.... Just an open forum here ok is all about bullshit:)

 

[V8_nutter]

Feilo vtec u pun tak tau.... from subang. He's the real vtec king in malaysia. Past sepang drag his civic went n clocked at 10 sec+. Amoil,HV racing vtecs ...etc also he makan liao... but their race is gelap 1 lah...

His brain the calculator...hehehhe..

Now feilo n james js racing from penang doing a 1.8 sohc damn f*cking fast even whack B16A with minor mods... imagine that 1.8 SOHC....

N hattech-v: Not much mods to be done lah except u need to balance the cranks n rods coz B20B stuff very heavy. But u need to change to better crank n rod bearings coz oem bearing fast worn out but of coz this setup is much cheaper than buying a B18C5 stroker. For B20B users use B18C5 type R crankshaft n rods for better,safer n durable as toda racing also recommended.

That machine is own by bunga,,,combos is by bunga and feilo. Built by bunga, but tuning, cam setting surely feilo. You cant say it's feilo built one, it's a joint "building", see that car on whos workshop ?? :regular_smile:

The "speed" is not from engine hardware,,,its from thier "setup". Bcoz thier internal is normal only, jun type 3, vafc, ctr intake, h22 injectors, supra pump, b20b, chip, and such. Its all bout the "setup". And that car power is from 3rd gear onwards,,,1st and 2nd gear johor car can side by side, but on 3rd gear onwards it will "naik hantu" and left opponent behind.

 

[Oderf]

cool......feilo.....last time when i was a kid i thot people said 'fellow vtec'....ahhahahahaaa....

btw, grex....i heard about bseries running with ford/mazda 83/84mm pistons....but wouldn't it be too thin for the b16a sleeve to bet cut in order to accomodate those bigger pistons ? i wonder how reliable it will be since i'm sure most of us want more power out of our vtec engine but at the same time still maintain the practicality as a daily driven one....care to comment on this ?

 

[Jun_EK9]

shfish: b18b conrod n crank is very heavy leh.the rev go up is slow.i used this b4 wit 83mm piston also.but the torque is impressive

grex:tarpau the sr20 1 bus kilang lenght hahahahah. i heard his soch 1.8 proton can side by side wit b16a fully loaded. must go pg again

 

[chris2000]

Interesting topic brought back alive :)

Just share what i know.

On a totally stock B18C or C5, with just ported B16A head, CTR Cams, B18C5 inlet + throttle, exhaust system and rechip ecu, i think most paople can get about 160-170 atw hp.

With B18C/C5 block and B16A head, you can put modded CTR pistons but compression will be very high and above 12:1. If you got no piggy back with upgraded injectors and fuel pump you can forget it, as you will just run lean and engine won't last. Furthermore, with so much compression, its better to run high lift/duration cams to reduce static compression but then car will not be so driveable on street. But a properly tuned, B18C with CTR pistons + aftermarket cams i believe can deliver the 185atw hp.

I heard alot of people use Ford TX3 pistons for street use, but i personally seen a civic last year with TX3 pistons. The car was tuned on dyno for proper a/f and ignition. Car was fast, but after 2 race in a MSS weekend with consistent 9k+rpm, the car started to sound funny a power start dropping. Open up the engine the following day and you see the liner start cracking.

Thats why in USA, you see forge piston manufacturer most of them only make 81mm to 82mm pistons for B16A/B18C then mostly 84mm to 85mm meant for B20B block.

Honda also don't make 1mm overbore. I believe its only 0.25 or 0.50 overbore only.

 

[Grex_R]

Ya but it's just all story mah so after italy won the world cup damn sian liao.... No football to bet liao :(.

Feilo white eg track car heard running on B20B n 1.8 type r internals but the piston pheww 88mm just imagine that....

So jun_ek9 Damn shiok rite 83mm pistons :)

Oderf : For a b16a is much safer to fit in 83mm pistons plus block guard but remember change ur oil pump n injectors coz running on larger pistons mah.
Can seek Jackie of Amoil at 0122113612 regarding the ford/madza pistons n say that kelvyn from penang intro to u. After doing that check for plugs burning colour nice or not. About the pistons amoil already cnc n cut n balance liao but pistons accumlate is around RM700-RM800+ with rings. expensive is the cnc work ok.

 

[hattech-v]

b20b with 88mm? what piston is that? biggest i heard is 86mm...fr k20a...

 

[Grex_R]

Actually to mantain just need to go more regular check ups than original non mod engines. I change my engine oil every 2500km. N every month go c doctor for medical check up biasa stuff lah check for compression,worn on timing belt,alternator belt,distributor,plugs bla bla so shouldn't be much worries. But if really got cash go for arias,cp,je,wiseco or wat so ever will be much better than those oem or ford pistons rite..

But bros to tell u the truth that i felt that crower cams stage 3 r much better than jun 2 n toda C. These r the cams i use b4 Toda is marvelous but top end at 8800rpm felt no power liao,jun was at lower rpm but no midrange power,crower semua ada till 9900rpm .... but these r just my setup. Maybe other engine r different rite? Wat do u guys say about it? Sorry a bit out off topic but its still about B series engine stuff rite...

Vtec Rulezzzzzzz.......

 

[V8_nutter]

b20b with 88mm? what piston is that? biggest i heard is 86mm...fr k20a...

Lorry pistons,,,what a joke:shades_smile:

 

[Grex_R]

Maybe its a prank or wat but for B20B setup the last time i heard was 87mm but now 88mm i was shock also. dunno how real it is but hattech-v there is really a 87mm pistons fitted in B20B. Will increase the cc nearly 2.3 cc almost but not there yet.

After all we just want to keep this forum alive n learn the pros n cons about stuff coz we r not mechanics rite. We pay to gain knowledge so y dun we share to update about stuff... But in the US 88mm n 89mm pistons r just kacang putih for them coz they can change the block sleeves n its cheap doing n staying,earning money from there.

 

[V8_nutter]

Dont listen to rumors,,88 and 90 piston are just for H22 only. Unless he fabricate his own block for b20,,which no one can do this locally (no factory doing this).:regular_smile: Last 2 years my ex mechanics did sell lorry pistons to feilo, but the size was 86 with high dome. Thinking bout fitting 88 is too much.

 

[Oderf]

grex....hmmmm rm 700-800 sounds worth it if inclusive of rings since CTR pistons aso more than tht if use ori CTR rings.......

last time i saw one white EK one saturday at Bungah place....installing 83mm ford/mazda pistons but pity i couldnt manage to stay there longer to learn about the setup......

 

[hattech-v]

that piston cost nearly same with ctr piston but rebore block job will cost another extra.. hehe

 

[lilvee]

Fei lo vtec secret is in his mind ... After he kena stroke jadi lagi pandai.....

But his real secrets r his gear ratio calculation.. even u have a very huge hp doesn't mean ur car can win in 1/4 mile.

Rumours saying that feilo bought 2 gearbox just to combine a 1st or 1st n 2nd gear to combine.. But this is for real he only using an original oem or jdm gearbox from honda in his monster vtec... In the north area i guess most ppl will know jaspal singh that owns a very fast ford sr20... also got makan from feilo white eg... Imagine this guy just purchase of building a gearbox for drag using up nearly RM30k for just 1 gearbox... Staright cuts or dog box can step aside for a while.... coz this crazy guy is a a hit here ...hehehehe... Maybe he should start setting up a brand FLV for gear products.. FLV=Fei Lo Vtec.
Like Ats,Kaaz or OS.

Flame all u want bros but this the stuff i've heard ok.... Just an open forum here ok is all about bullshit:)

You r rite bro... the best drag honda all motor drivetrain set-up is to build the closest ratio u can. Buy a few set gear box and rojak all gear and final drive. I think it not a secret or only in feilo head or mind. Everybody can build their own close ratio receipe.

Maybe this link will help a bit... to find the closest ratio gearbox... :regular_smile:

http://www.fatboyraceworks.com/gears/index.php?MaxRPM=3000&TireDiameter=23.46&GearRatio1=3.25&GearRatio2=1.762&GearRatio3=1.172&GearRatio4=0.909&GearRatio5=0.702&GearRatio6=0&FinalDrive=4.058&TireWidth=205&TireAspect=40&RimDiameter=17&MaxRPM_2=3000&TireDiameter_2=23.46&GearRatio1_2=3.25&GearRatio2_2=1.9&GearRatio3_2=1.25&GearRatio4_2=0.909&GearRatio5_2=0.75&GearRatio6_2=0&FinalDrive_2=4.25&TireWidth_2=205&TireAspect_2=40&RimDiameter_2=17&Calculate=Calculate%2FGraph&Compare=1

 

[Grex_R]

Now that is helping to understand but still numbers for me hehehehe........
I only know how to drag the machine n feel the g force of the car.....:)

 

[Grex_R]

Rebore malaysia style is RM600 if send to cnc machine shop cost RM1500 but cnc 100% accurate.