Review: 2016 FK2R Civic Type-R Turbo

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  1. Tom

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    Turbo Tuesday guys, if you haven't read my review of the 2015 FK2R Civic Type-R Turbo via the main page recently, please enjoy this instead. All questions or comments be it on the review or the FK2R is highly welcomed

    There's also a short video overview for your enjoyment

    This is the link to the Full Article: http://www.zerotohundred.com/2015/primo-2015-fk2r-civic-type-r-turbo-first-drive/

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    Enter R Engineering

    Located just off Pasir Gudang highway and a stone's throw from Permas Jaya, who are without question Johor Bahru's premiere tuning and motorsport outfit. The go to place for mid to high end cars and customers seeking maintenance, power or race engineering. After all, R Engineering has clinched numerous top honours at Sepang and bagged Champion at the MMER 12 hour race in 2014.



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    So why are we here?


    This is the first and only Turbo Type-R in the country, which R Engineering has just acquired from the UK. For the same reasons why you won't be seeing this exact car on the roads in the near future is precisely why it was brought into Malaysia this soon.<del> In a matter of days, this baby will be stripped, cut and caged to be made R Engineering's current touring car candidate and a new contender at the upcoming 2015 Sepang 12 Hour Race (Previously MMER 12 Hour) in December. </del>

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    R Engineering is also likely to contend this Civic Type-R Turbo for 2016's season of the Malaysia Championship Series (MCS). So watch out my racing buddies, the Touring Production grid at MCS 2016 is set to see some reshuffling.</del>

    Plot change: R Engineering terminated their plans for Sepang 12Hr last weekend

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    The Gundam Type-R


    This being my first impressions, I'll focus on the obvious. In the flesh, the new Turbo Type-R which I will now refer to as FK2R looks every bit as menacing as the published press pictures and reviews from Europe and the UK. The Gundam styling takes time to settle in and is likely to get conservative people whispering. I relate the FK2R styling to Gundam for its obvious and abundant use of out-of-this-world styling, everything from the massive fenders, wings, air inlets and outlets. It's definitely the wildest Type-R in the history of Type-Rs.

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    Facts about The 2015 Honda Civic Type-R Turbo (FK2R)

    • Zerotohundred: 5.7 seconds (claimed)
    • Top Speed: 270km/h
    • Engine: Turbocharged 2L i-VTEC
    • Power: 310hp
    • Torque 400nm
    • Weight: 1378kg

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    I won't comment on the aspect of beauty but I'd say it's necessary. With today's top hot hatches edging supercar performance, It's only right that manufacturers push the boundaries of their engine and aero capabilities. If you notice, there are plenty of details to digest from on this FK2R.

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    The front section especially, mostly dedicated to cooling their first ever 300hp / 400nm turbocharged Type-R engine. The front air dam now house a gigantic intercooler, likely the biggest I've seen on a production hatch.

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    The Drive


    For the first time, a Type-R with keyless start. Bliss. Press the start button, the engine comes to life and from the inside it sounds just like the older K20 powered FD2R or FN2R. Typical instrument cluster dials dance to what Japanese calls the opening ceremony. Everything from the gear knob to the foot pedals look and feel familiar.

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    I was expecting a difference here but I suppose if it's not broken, don't fix it. No complains whatsoever, the Type-R has always offered great tools of the cockpit and gearshifts retain the same snick snack, short and accurate throws. But the wonderful floor-mounted throttle pedal from the FD2R is missing here.

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    Moving off, creeping out of the parking lot before heading onto the main roads, the Type-R sensation is pretty much similar. However there's a certain degree of maturity from the underlying low end torque that wasn't there in the previous super sensitive K20A. Making it even easier to drive now. That's about it. It is not until you engage the gears and hit 3000rpm before you feel something different. 4000rpm onwards, okay wow. Continue to floor and cycle 3rd through 5th, damn this new Turbo Type-R is brutal!

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    The new Honda K20C1 2.0L Turbo engine is highly responsive, spot on and in the right gear at the right RPM range, lag and throttle elasticity is simply non existent. If anything, it feels almost like a huge NA.

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    The newly adopted soundtrack and attitude the FK2R emit is likely to turn many purists off. Gone forever is the music. That distinct howl of the 9000rpm NA is replaced by 2 very audible turbine whooshes and wastegate kapishes. Also gone forever is what used to be an imminent VTEC-just-kicked-in-yo zone. That sudden second stage kick-in-the-chest sensation has been replaced by an impressively linear, yet mighty mid-range force fed gravity pull. Operating the new Turbo Type-R at full acceleration, there is virtually no torque steer even with its monstrous 300hp thanks to Honda's new Dual Axis Strut, not dissimilar to current Megane RS's Perfohub, which cleverly eliminates camber change during hard acceleration.

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    I have to say character wise, there's little to appreciate from this new K20C1 engine other than brute power. Sat in the new Turbo Type-R with eyes closed, one might mistake it for an Evo 7/8/9. Yes, the massive heart of this new beast has become a bit conventional. Yet, plain it is not. One thing is for sure, there isn't a production 4-cylinder Type-R of before that can ever come close to the sort of pace this monster builds. Credentials wise, It's right up there with sworn enemy Megane RS 275.


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    Suspension


    Easily my top favourite feature here. Far from the usual practices, this new Type-R has electronic damping! At default non +R mode even on the FK2R's excessively specced 235/35/19 Contisport Contact 6 tyres, the ride is plush, well damped and drives just like say a Golf GTI. It's comfortable with a touch of firmness and will likely be the preferred mode for most scenarios where the electronics actively alters suspension damping. It handles undulating roads brilliantly too. The roads in the Permas Jaya vicinity is littered with dips and bumps, yet the FK2R manages to impress with its ability to soak them and keep itself incredibly well leveled at all times. Truly a never before seen feature in Type-Rs of before or most Hondas for that matter. This aspect alone trumps the Megane RS equipped in either Sport or Cup chassis.

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    The +R Mode


    Hit the +R button and the FK2R turns into a monster. Instrument cluster lighting glow from white to sinister red and Idling revs immediately jump a notch signifying its change of character. Drive by wire system reacts much more eagerly to every touch of the throttle. Electronic stability control loosens itself to submit to your demands and the engine adopts its extreme ecu map to provide maximum response and power. Power steering is less assisted thus an increase in feedback. This change of mode is felt substantially throughout the FK2R and during actual drive.

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    The +R Mode on the FK2R also alters its electronic damping pretty aggressively. Where at the press of the said button the suspension goes full hard and whatever I've just mentioned above about how magically compliant the suspension at default goes out the window. It's as if the suspension were replaced with those from the previous NA FD2R. If you've owned or driven one of, you'll know what I mean. There is zero comfort in this mode and every dip and bump is a jolt to your body. Chances are you'll land on a piece of road on the highway that'll send the FK2R into a frantic up/down rhythm and your boobs, man or woman jiggling till end of time.

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    Yet it is a good thing. I'm a loyal supporter of electronic damping and having double mode suspension at a flick of a switch can only provide double the driving pleasure. Almost like 2 cars in one. A proper daily road weapon fit for work or shopping and upon aggression, simply unleash full ferocity via +R. What's there not to like? The previous FD2R can get rather nervous on the road with its concrete suspension but is supreme at the limit on touge and track. Now with e-damping, expect this new FK2R to surpass its predecessor in any given situation.

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    The Cockpit


    Yes there's keyless entry here. Open the rather heavier than usual door and you're greeted by a pair of all-new Type-R seats. I'll talk about these babies in bit. First impressions of the cockpit? Definitely a vast improvement over previous Type-Rs. There's a noticeable sense of European input here, after all, it's where the FK2R was developed by and for.

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    The seats in this new R is a winner. Familiar red stitching on black suede-ish material matched with red fabric remain, although it's taken an all new form. These are the best they've put into the Type-R. Likely some of the most desireable in class as well, with faultless ergonomics and adjustability fit for long hauls or competitive driving. Polished metal finish on the aftermarket harness support exudes quality.

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    Move along, move along, it's only an SL on a forklift..

    There is also a centrally positioned independent digital display for on-board telemetry that includes boost readings, throttle input, brake pressure and such, also a first for any Type-R ever introduced. Definitely something awesome to have but I'm unsure about actual operation since it is pretty small. Multi function steering wheel controls this feature and allows you to flip through the functions and other pages as well.

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    The Verdict


    Honda's all-new Turbo Type-R is their meanest, fastest and most controversial edition yet. Many will frown at the excessive styling, impractically huge wheels and most of all, the absence of NA VTEC amusement. But in reality, the FK2R is truly special. The Jekyl and Hyde +R mode button provides best of both driving worlds and when I say best of both worlds, it really is world's apart. No gimmicky Sport Mode wordplay here. This extreme change of character is second to none and makes all the difference between a great daily car and a track car.

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    Judging where the automotive industry is heading with double clutch transmissions, the FK2R may just be some of the last remaining exciting manual hot hatch cars to own. All current Type-Rs offer quality shifts and well thought foot pedals. If like me you appreciate a good manual transmission, you'll like this new FK2R. Although built quality may not look at all impressive, It still is best in class.

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    The engine is without a doubt lacking in character and disappointingly conventional in acoustics. But it does bring the FK2R into the new and competitive 2L Turbo hot hatch world. As boring as the engine may sound, in reality the K20C1 engine is a true performer. It is also Honda's first step into new battlegrounds and I must say it is a good first try and well worth the shot.

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    All in all, the FK2R got all my boxes ticked. It drives beautifully, has impressive daily driver qualities and posses an extreme double personality. It's bleeding with new tech, functions and build quality the previous iterations never had. It's got an awesome cockpit and is the greatest Type-R cockpit ever. I cannot wait for my next opportunity with another FK2R when it becomes more available. This time it will be at the circuit for a full impression.

    But right now, I truly madly deeply want one.

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    As part of our recent feature "Conquering the hills in a Clio RS armed with a phone camera and an oil change" where I dedicated a full feature on our hill drive thrills after a Shell Helix Ultra oil change, I hope you enjoyed this Turbo Type R feature that was also shot mostly via a Samsung Note 5.

    More photos within original article here:
    http://www.zerotohundred.com/2015/primo-2015-fk2r-civic-type-r-turbo-first-drive/
     

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  2. g4i8y0t

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    Lucky dude! :banghead: I guess the future for internal combustion engine will certainly be turbocharging. As turbo technology is further improved with electric 48V turbine, better throttle response and even better fuel consumption, NA engine will be history soon. Will Honda Malaysia bring in this model like the previous FD2R?
     
  3. Tom

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    Agreed. This decade shall see ever more Turbo engines taking center stage.

    I doubt so. At least in the near future. It was the same with the Euro biased FN2R. Even the FK2R had only recently been brought into Japan. But who knows?

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    That Note5 has one helluva amazing camera. Sooner or later it'll put DSLRs out of production. You didn't use the adjustable bokeh feature when shooting the SL on a forklift Tom?

    I'm not insanely crazy about the FK2R's rear styling. I never liked the FN2R's looks and this has all the FN's DNA. The Gundam front though - Nice!

    Driving looks like it's pretty easy to handle based on the short video you shared. How's it in the corners and such in "comfort" mode? With such low profile wide 19" tyres I'm sure the grip must've been phenomenal.

    It's only a matter of time before Honda purists come in here and condemn FI and start going on about how VTEC is faster. *brings out the popcorn*
     
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    On 19", super ultra low profile of 35, and with 235mm width, some more Continental New Sports Contact 6 woh!, sure super sticky.......:driver:
     
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    Beast mode on that's for sure :)
     
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    im selling my house now!!!
     
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    You better
     
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    Oh yes, this was shot in slow mo and hand held. The slo mo helped with video stabilisation and smoothness. Unfortunately it was a little dark therefore inducing some noise.

    Could have done more with the forklift scene but was getting dark so needed to get the Civic shoot done

    I'm not so sure if it needs the huge 19s but as for handling, based on the streets where I drove, Its like a blend of Megane RS265 and FD2R. It doesnt have the engine response and low end grunt of the Megane though. Chassis mimics the FD2R where it feels lively with a touch of stiffness.

    Engine definitely lacks character. Fueling the fire from VTEC purists even more. But makes up with new found power.

    I think the advantage the FK2R have over the FD2R is increased driveability anywhere. Electronic damping provides 2 very different driving modes which is nice. The FD2R is like an on off switch, where one either drive it moderately or too damn fast. This FK2R provides everything in between and more.



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    Come to think of it izso, you may have meant the Note 5's superiority on the aspect of Photos. Have to say it's my preferred weapon of choice for photos now. It might inherently be limited but I enjoy the generally good fixed lens shots, good lighting, portability and awesome 1080p 100fps video feature.

    Most of my feature photos are photoshoped anyway so alls good.



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    the old vtec scream is no more, in comes the age of the snails
     
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    Not a fan of its styling too, looks a bit too fat at the rear, too cluttered especially the front fender, wing a bit outlandish, rims too big (18' would look much more proportional to its size). Well at least in the photo or videos, maybe if I look at it in the flesh I might change my mind.

    0-100kph only in 5.7sec? Seems a bit slow for a 300hp/400nm car. A 10+ yrs old Evo VII-IX with similar std power output would still smoke this, at least on the straight I suppose. If it's an AWD it would be a better.
     
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    I have to say, Tom, you are one lucky guy to get to test out this car.

    Look is subjective la. Kesian this car kena hantam that is ugly. Hahahahaha. But i on the other hand, find it quite nice looking. I am not crazily into the looks of it, but is not an eye sore to me. Actually, it grows into me after awhile :love: Interior looks nice too.

    Still a kick-ass car if you ask me....

    Turbo and iVTEC...Sounds like a very good recipe for modding.....Its only a short matter of time that aftermarket performance part manufacturer and tuning companies come out with some insane mod for this car and transform it into a monster......
     
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    When I first heard the new FK2R uses a 19" rims, I was thinking, is that really necessary in a FWD car despite it being turbocharged. Even Lancer Evolution and WRX STI which produces more power than this uses 17 or 18" only. 19" is normally the size for supercars such as Gallardo, F430, R8... Or I guess rims are getting larger and larger in cars as time goes... Decades ago, cars like Lancer Evolution III and Lamborghini Countach only uses 15" as stock...

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    Perhaps if the rims are downsized to something like 225/40/18 it might be slightly faster?
     
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    Tom : Note5 for the win :biggrin: I hate that it's better than the Iphone I recently bought. Goddammit. How'd you mount it for the video shoot?

    A AWD Honda saloon? Oh the blasphemy! Personally I don't see an issue with the performance numbers and all that. Compared to the Evos I think this FK2R is more sophisticated in terms of ride comfort, probably safety and Evo IX isn't really a fair comparison since the IX was designed with performance straight out. Lightweight everything and reduced everything all for the sake of power-to-weight.

    Dude.. the Countach uses 335/35/15. Size isn't quite a good comparison here. The surface contact is insane! And a Type-R using puny little rims would look so weird. I think the 225/40/18 suggestion might sacrifice its mechanical grip.
     
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    Car nowadays using bigger rims have various reasons. Wider tyres, lower profile, or just to clear the Bigger brake caliper and disc rotor...:smokin:

    The 235/35R19 seems a bit stretch since 19" rims usually comes quite wide
     
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    Its styling is definitely edging over the top.

    Although I can't really agree with the 4WD part on a car like this. It'll likely take away the liveliness of it, plus FF hatch these days are really good. Torque steer is almost a thing of the past too. Plus 4WD just makes things so much heavier and it takes quite a bit of manhandling to capitalise on the 4 wheel grip and that happens maybe 1 percent of the ownership duration. So simply lugging the rear axle and propshaft makes little sense imho

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    Totally agreed on the not the best looking yet not an eye sore part.

    The engine needs some attention to be honest. It just lack character. Like I wrote, it just sounds too much like a tuned 4G63 to be honest

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    The Megane RS275 Trophy R runs on 19s as well. I suppose there's a certain look and engineering reason behind this especially coming from the RenaultSport guys. I doubt it's because of the bigger brakes

    Perhaps someone with engineering degree here can shed some light into this big diameter wheels making way into FF hatches.



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    Yeah and it's cheaper than the new iPhone. Plus its less precious. I simply love the camera feature here.

    Anything other than on board, it'll be my hands.

    On board videos are shot via gopro. I use a jaw clamp with the gooseneck to clamp onto the base of the headrest post. Or I'll use tape and etc.



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    Naah, I don't really buy that the 19's are truly put for real handling advantage for such car. I think it's all about marketing, coz people nowadays are so fixated on going bigger and bigger without much sense but just for show! I'd say using 18' or even 17' lightweight rims with properly sized tires (say 235/45 or 245/45) can actually make this car go faster on the straight AND in the corners.

    As for the comparison with Evo, well this Civic especially with such outlandish look, similar engine type and power, and comes ONLY with manual gearbox cannot be compared to the standard barrier of a value for money 2 ltr performance turbo sedan like an Evo? How much is the price of this Civic anyway, is it similar to the Evo IX (when compared new to new last time)? If it does, then they should be comparable. Having more sophistication is not the real point coz in the end the main focus of this car is supposed to be high performance (especially with such look) so that's what I'd would be looking at if I'm shopping for such a car. The additional sophistication is just nice to have but not essential criteria. That's why Evo IX is still considered the last great Evo by many, while the more sophisticated and livable X is not.

    As for the AWD, maybe if it has, then it would accelerate even faster matching the likes of Evos & WRXs. The Civic weight even without AWD is already a bit hefty, probably due to the additional sophistication/hi-tech features and creature comfort in it. I'd trade-off those features with a killer AWD system like in Evo so it would still maintain similar weight and retain the liveliness. Having an AWD also makes the power mod potential sky high as it would be able to handle much more power than std. Being FWD would just limit it to where it is now. But maybe Honda's aim is just to snatch back the FWD speed throne from the Megane RS, that's it.

    I don't know, to me this car is missing the point just a bit. It looks so outlandish but yet the performance not as extreme as its appearance, right? Maybe if it tones down the look, I'd actually feel it's more suitable, but I guess I'm a bit old school so my views and taste might be outdated already. :biggrin:
     
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    A very good point on the EVO X being more efficient than predecessor yet has deviated from its legendary attributes.

    The imperfections, thirstier, jerkier, harsher aspects are in fact the attractions of these legends.

    Although the FK2R may have filtered a percentage of the above, but other than the new Turbo engine, I have to say they still did a great job retaining the extremities. There's still the Super hard suspension at a press of a button. The gears and pedals still has signature FD2R feel.

    I think the biggest difference here is the engine and the extreme physique. But still a fan of everything else it's offering.

    So in this case I don't think it's a case of a great car gone bad like the Evo X but a revolution.

    A bit of a premium example but like the older NA BMW M cars, they're all great and addictive cars but with the introduction of newer Turbo Ms and engineering inputs these cars are just out of this world good.

    such as the current M3/M4/M5 and the highly anticipated baby M2, once driven, one is likely to forget about the older one. I am guilty of that.

    I suppose it all depends on purpose and current standpoint

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    All boils down to personal preference I guess.

    I quite like the Evo 9 myself. But if I had that kinda money and had a choice, I'd go for a 2 door sedan instead. Even if it's slower or whatever, as long as it makes me happy when I drive it I'd be satisfied. Kinda like how I was satisfied driving my old wira. Sylphys just don't have that oomph.
     
  20. RENESIS VIII

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    335/35/15 will probably give the Countach owner a headache when he is searching for new tyre replacement... Not even sure if such size is still being made or not today?

    Wider tyres and lower profile can be done even in 18" isn't it? Lamborghini Murcielago comes with 335/30/18 as its stock rear tyres I think. As for the bigger caliper and rotor, I don't think anything under 400-500hp needs it to be so big?

    Perhaps it is for the owner to fit even larger/wider rims in the future? I mean if it comes with 19" as stock, it probably can be upsized to 20" or 21".

    By the way, this is one reason I like to discuss about things in zth forums because members here goes into detailed technical discussion into things like this unlike other common automotive websites comment sections where people just talk about mundane and basic things about the car. It allows me to learn many things.

    At this rate, performance cars are going to get more and more expensive to maintain. From around 20 years ago during the EK9 days where it uses only 15" rims to this FK2R that uses 19" rims. Tyre price is probably triple the amount that you need to pay for EK9.

    Performance is not as extreme as its appearance could only be temporary for now. Since it is a turbocharged car, it will only be a matter of time until tuning companies tune it to produce even more horsepower as it is easier for a turbocharged engine.

    Anyway, do you think that Honda might release another version of Civic Type R specifically for the Japanese market? Previously they did so with the FN2R and FD2R.
     

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