Regarding neo cps front strut bar

[wwilliamm]

Hi fellow ZTH members, any neo cps users here facing issues with Ultra Racing front strut bar whereby it is rubbing against the intake snorkel or the bonnet?

Should I continue to use it or just remove it :(

 

[wwilliamm]

Guess its fine. I have remove the fsb

 

[issuzark]

You sure it's suited for your model? Not riding a Satria Neo myself. But I'm using an UR fsb, and its gooooood.

 

[gunnerzz]

imho cps chassis is firm enough.
the stock handling is sweet...i love it.

if the front is too firm i think the car will oversteer earlier and that wont be fun.
current setup will understeer first before the reaer start to slide a bit.

i would rather save up and bump up the power.
if u have done so then u can opt for the bar.

 

[wwilliamm]

You sure it's suited for your model? Not riding a Satria Neo myself. But I'm using an UR fsb, and its gooooood.

Hey there I'm absolutely sure that I'm using the neo cps fsb and many users have faced the scrubbing issues too, guess the height clearance is too little to be fitted on.

imho cps chassis is firm enough.
the stock handling is sweet...i love it.

if the front is too firm i think the car will oversteer earlier and that wont be fun.
current setup will understeer first before the reaer start to slide a bit.

i would rather save up and bump up the power.
if u have done so then u can opt for the bar.

I always thought that stiffer front will always induce more under steer? I have also realize that the neo lotus edition and r3 rs models did not come with the front strut as well.

I'm currently funding up for tires and adjustable atm lol hope it is sufficient enough

 

[gunnerzz]

Hey there I'm absolutely sure that I'm using the neo cps fsb and many users have faced the scrubbing issues too, guess the height clearance is too little to be fitted on.



I always thought that stiffer front will always induce more under steer? I have also realize that the neo lotus edition and r3 rs models did not come with the front strut as well.

I'm currently funding up for tires and adjustable atm lol hope it is sufficient enough

with the neo,it quickens the over steer effect.
just as long as u shod the rim with good tire.
of u havent bump the power then a 4-2-1 extractor is a good addition along with drop in air filter.

 

[C99D-MMC5537]

Stiffer front side surely will induce understeer. As far as in know, neo handling is like waja. in stock setup, it will understeer if u carry too much speed into corner then once u lift-up accelerator, it will start to oversteer. Just like waja. this quite dangerous for those who dont have fine control on gas pedal. the tips to enjoy this kind of behavior is once it understeer, lift off slowly, when it start to oversteer, slightly steer to opposite direction and it will start to drift (FWD drift with both front and rear sliding together). i play this a lot with my CPS waja. Just make sure u have enough space to slide. If you panicked and fully lift-up the gas pedal, it will snap over-steer which mostly end-up with over spin. For gen-2 and persona, just lift-off and it will stop under-steer immediately without any oversteer.

 

[wwilliamm]

Stiffer front side surely will induce understeer. As far as in know, neo handling is like waja. in stock setup, it will understeer if u carry too much speed into corner then once u lift-up accelerator, it will start to oversteer. Just like waja. this quite dangerous for those who dont have fine control on gas pedal. the tips to enjoy this kind of behavior is once it understeer, lift off slowly, when it start to oversteer, slightly steer to opposite direction and it will start to drift (FWD drift with both front and rear sliding together). i play this a lot with my CPS waja. Just make sure u have enough space to slide. If you panicked and fully lift-up the gas pedal, it will snap over-steer which mostly end-up with over spin. For gen-2 and persona, just lift-off and it will stop under-steer immediately without any oversteer.

with the neo,it quickens the over steer effect.
just as long as u shod the rim with good tire.
of u havent bump the power then a 4-2-1 extractor is a good addition along with drop in air filter.

So basically the stock setup for neo is kinda neutral as long as there's precise control during cornering.

What I usually do is brake before corner and slightly tap on accelerator during mid corner and full throttle after corner.

Just kinda worry because I'm on stock suspension. So I'm planning to change to 205/45r16 tires but afraid of the larger wheel gap.

 

[C99D-MMC5537]

Yes, slow enter fast exit rules is very important in Neo. The step u mentioned is what we should do. Once u can see clearly the exit way, just floor the pedal since CPS engine is not that powerfull to understeer again in most case (depend on the exit curve). If u carry over speed (fast enter) to the corner its not as forgiving as Gen-2 @ persona which will stop under-steer immediately after lift-off without over-steer. This is from my own experience.

 

[wwilliamm]

Yes, slow enter fast exit rules is very important in Neo. The step u mentioned is what we should do. Once u can see clearly the exit way, just floor the pedal since CPS engine is not that powerfull to understeer again in most case (depend on the exit curve). If u carry over speed (fast enter) to the corner its not as forgiving as Gen-2 @ persona which will stop under-steer immediately after lift-off without over-steer. This is from my own experience.

Ahh thx for the tips. Just rmb not to over speed into the corner would be safer because I'm not so experience when it comes to panic situations -- god bless.

Btw, a larger rear anti roll bar will actually cause the oversteer to be worst during lift off corner right.

 

[C99D-MMC5537]

Ahh thx for the tips. Just rmb not to over speed into the corner would be safer because I'm not so experience when it comes to panic situations -- god bless.

Btw, a larger rear anti roll bar will actually cause the oversteer to be worst during lift off corner right.

yes. correct. these 2 videos will show u how Neo and Waja lift-off over-steer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDV8dLhCV8I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exbYZxstSc0

 

[Waiora_ProTuner]

imho cps chassis is firm enough.
the stock handling is sweet...i love it.

if the front is too firm i think the car will oversteer earlier and that wont be fun.
current setup will understeer first before the reaer start to slide a bit.

i would rather save up and bump up the power.
if u have done so then u can opt for the bar.

stiffer end will do more understeer...
CPS handling can be considered as understeer...

Stiffer front side surely will induce understeer. As far as in know, neo handling is like waja. in stock setup, it will understeer if u carry too much speed into corner then once u lift-up accelerator, it will start to oversteer. Just like waja. this quite dangerous for those who dont have fine control on gas pedal. the tips to enjoy this kind of behavior is once it understeer, lift off slowly, when it start to oversteer, slightly steer to opposite direction and it will start to drift (FWD drift with both front and rear sliding together). i play this a lot with my CPS waja. Just make sure u have enough space to slide. If you panicked and fully lift-up the gas pedal, it will snap over-steer which mostly end-up with over spin. For gen-2 and persona, just lift-off and it will stop under-steer immediately without any oversteer.

neo cps different from non-cps neo...

that kind of behaviour is the same with original non-cps neo..
prone to oversteer mid corner...

they 'improve' the handling for neo cps by using normal 'boring' fwd setup..
understeer so its 'safer'...

 

[wwilliamm]

yes. correct. these 2 videos will show u how Neo and Waja lift-off over-steer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDV8dLhCV8I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exbYZxstSc0

That was some live action you have there lol, I think the neo enter the corner too fast d..sigh nowadays keep raining very hard to practice also

stiffer end will do more understeer...
CPS handling can be considered as understeer...



neo cps different from non-cps neo...

that kind of behaviour is the same with original non-cps neo..
prone to oversteer mid corner...

they 'improve' the handling for neo cps by using normal 'boring' fwd setup..
understeer so its 'safer'...

Iirc it has something to do with the wider front track of the neo cps that enables more understeer right.

Do you think running on toyo t1r 195/50r16 with stock suspension would be sufficient for casual touge drives?

 

[issuzark]

That was some live action you have there lol, I think the neo enter the corner too fast d..sigh nowadays keep raining very hard to practice also



Iirc it has something to do with the wider front track of the neo cps that enables more understeer right.

Do you think running on toyo t1r 195/50r16 with stock suspension would be sufficient for casual touge drives?

You might want better suspension for more "fun". Just my 3 cents though.

 

[C99D-MMC5537]

That was some live action you have there lol, I think the neo enter the corner too fast d..sigh nowadays keep raining very hard to practice also



Iirc it has something to do with the wider front track of the neo cps that enables more understeer right.

Do you think running on toyo t1r 195/50r16 with stock suspension would be sufficient for casual touge drives?

Yes, thats what I heard too. Cps have wider track. Wide front track surely will help to prevent oversteer. T1R not a good tyre for touge (im using it currently). Inflate it around 28-32psi will help it grip a bit but u'll lose the steering feedback (since the sidewall is too soft). If u set at 33-35psi, u will get better steering feedback but u will lose the grip.

 

[wwilliamm]

Yes, thats what I heard too. Cps have wider track. Wide front track surely will help to prevent oversteer. T1R not a good tyre for touge (im using it currently). Inflate it around 28-32psi will help it grip a bit but u'll lose the steering feedback (since the sidewall is too soft). If u set at 33-35psi, u will get better steering feedback but u will lose the grip.

You might want better suspension for more "fun". Just my 3 cents though.

Currently for this 195/50R16 size, T1r can consider as the best in the market d as compared to the current conti MC5. Cause if I were to take 205/45R16 (more choices of UHP tires), the wheelgap will definitely increase and I wont be getting an adjustable so soon due to warranty issue. Tough choice for me.

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

actually front track of neo cps is narrower than rear....previous neo is more balanced track width......

narrower front track = understeer

because less mechanical grip at front...

especially with such short body car (old satria and myvi applied to this also) any mid corner lift-of will prone to oversteer.... plus since neo suspension is stock tuned using lotus method...it will show more mid-lift oversteer effect which can be dangerous to normal/basic driver....
sure for more advanced driver this we called factory downgrade and boring....

so in my satria (1st gen) utilize the already big front arb just swap the arb linkage from lower arm linked-type into absorber-linked type...as well as rear 19mm arb upgrade....

the car changed so much that i had to reduce my adjustable suspension spring rate from 6k front/4k rear with 4k front/3k rear...... now my carhandle and comfort like a proper lotus...

fast in= pure grip,too fast in will induce understeer...just lift off, the tail will correct itself killing the understeer and induce 4wheel sliding....just add throttle input to regain neutral control and exit the corner.......BUT...it was no easy task...require practice on track and proper learning guide....

 

[wwilliamm]

actually front track of neo cps is narrower than rear....previous neo is more balanced track width......

narrower front track = understeer

because less mechanical grip at front...

especially with such short body car (old satria and myvi applied to this also) any mid corner lift-of will prone to oversteer.... plus since neo suspension is stock tuned using lotus method...it will show more mid-lift oversteer effect which can be dangerous to normal/basic driver....
sure for more advanced driver this we called factory downgrade and boring....

so in my satria (1st gen) utilize the already big front arb just swap the arb linkage from lower arm linked-type into absorber-linked type...as well as rear 19mm arb upgrade....

the car changed so much that i had to reduce my adjustable suspension spring rate from 6k front/4k rear with 4k front/3k rear...... now my carhandle and comfort like a proper lotus...

fast in= pure grip,too fast in will induce understeer...just lift off, the tail will correct itself killing the understeer and induce 4wheel sliding....just add throttle input to regain neutral control and exit the corner.......BUT...it was no easy task...require practice on track and proper learning guide....

Great sharing you have there.

There was once I took a right 180 deg turn with half throttle and the moment i lift off, it felt as tho my car was gonna buang and then I quickly add a little throttle to gain back some grip.

Hoping a change to better tires would improve my handling limits lol

 

[vr2turbo]

Currently for this 195/50R16 size, T1r can consider as the best in the market d as compared to the current conti MC5. Cause if I were to take 205/45R16 (more choices of UHP tires), the wheelgap will definitely increase and I wont be getting an adjustable so soon due to warranty issue. Tough choice for me.

Go for tyres first, if you don't mind the looks, handling will greatly improve on 205/45R16.....

 

[wwilliamm]

Go for tyres first, if you don't mind the looks, handling will greatly improve on 205/45R16.....

Yeap, currently opting for either t1r, eagle f1 d5 or nitto neogen since year end tire promotion is coming soon

Hopefully the extra 5mm gap wouldn't be too obvious