Project Z Week 23: Spare Z31 Chassis

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I would like to spend some time writing my 2 cents as well. I clearly remember the first time I came across the project thread was in Facebook where this idea were brought forward. I pledged to start giving at the time because I felt that we should get the ball rolling..little that I know it would come down to this.

Now that the issue's solutions is addressed by Blackhowling and Pimpin. I would like to stress the point of having to choose a decision collectively and unanimously.Not only the selection sample is poor, I feel that the whole project is more like ,how we put .. "tangkap muat" ..

To have a better idea on the build you could have done more relevant research such as reference build thread..show us some examples of what kind of project are you going to undertake.

The costs of the project is naturally higher because this project is undertaken at a shop. Its running a business,not a charity, nuff said.

I also want to question the legality of carrying out such donation.Not only elements of accountability and transparency is required as explained by Pimpin, transparency in handling financial transactions where the funds are given by the public to you,accountibility is of the utmost importance.

Theres also an issue with the legality of such donation as unapproved fund collection as such will cause ZTH to bear the liability of permitting such collection in its forum and jurisdiction.

 

[Izso]

Hmm..

Allow me to post my 2 cents regarding the project, the non-believes and the donation concept, not specifically in that order.

Let me clarify first though : I've never really followed Kevin's posts until the other day when I came across the old Honda rebuild thread. Then later in the features section I came across the RM50k supercar beater challenge. I don't know Kevin in person and found the challenge interesting. I don't know what the original intent was, I just read "RM50k" and "supercar beater".

Having followed the Z thread from day 1, I believe he made it clear that the project will be a learning curve for him and it was the general public that suggested donations. Kevin got Tom's approval and he did exactly that. Posted up what needed to be bought, who donated and how much.

Having had rebuilt my car (not an old classic car), I know that nothing is ever what it seems. Original budget went from 2k to 9k in a blink of an eye because of things that I discovered along the way. This Z will be no less a headache and will probably require something stronger than ponstan to cure. Something this old and rusted will need a lot of body work and something that's supposedly going to beat supercars will need a pretty strong chassis. Having seen how Kevin handled his Honda rebuild, I'm suspecting he expected this Z rebuild to be equally "less painful". But now that he's bought a new chassis, this tells me the original Z is probably scrap or needs a lot of work (ie-$$$).

Blackhowling's earlier comment (in another thread) on buying a ready made and proven car held plenty of credit with me when he said it. But having said that - if I had bought myself a new car instead of rebuilding it, I wouldn't know what I know today about my car and cars in general. It was my interest and passion for the topic that made me want to DIY rebuild a car that had the timing belt snapped and cranked a few times after that in the middle of Federal highway.

Anyway - back to the point, the car will be partially owned by the major sponsors like Playhouse (did I get the name right?) who is doing up the chassis now. I suspect it'll be a showcar for the sponsors and whoever contributed to the car will get to have a go at the car. Regarding the small sponsors - it was a voluntary contribution. If you had doubts, why did you contribute? And picking on Kevin's lifestyle isn't quite a fair comment. Going to Europe is a luxury everyone can afford right after you save up enough! I personally feel his lifestyle should not be a topic of discussion here. However his poor choice of a car base is evident imho!

Anyhow, what's done is already done. Kevin isn't making any money out from doing this. From what I've seen the car and effort is purely his and the fact that he's sharing this is commendable. What's even more commendable is how members are reacting with some contributing funds, some contacts and recommendations and so on.

I for one would like to see this project to reach completion. I dream about classic rebuilds like a RX3 with wide body conversion and so on. But I know I can't afford the rebuild and to me buying a ready made one is no fun so until Uncle Toto sponsors me, I'll just be reading the Z thread.

 

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Anyway - back to the point, the car will be partially owned by the major sponsors like Playhouse (did I get the name right?) who is doing up the chassis now. I suspect it'll be a showcar for the sponsors and whoever contributed to the car will get to have a go at the car. Regarding the small sponsors - it was a voluntary contribution. If you had doubts, why did you contribute? And picking on Kevin's lifestyle isn't quite a fair comment. Going to Europe is a luxury everyone can afford right after you save up enough! I personally feel his lifestyle should not be a topic of discussion here. However his poor choice of a car base is evident imho!

Anyhow, what's done is already done. Kevin isn't making any money out from doing this. From what I've seen the car and effort is purely his and the fact that he's sharing this is commendable. What's even more commendable is how members are reacting with some contributing funds, some contacts and recommendations and so on.

I believe the discussion on his personal doing isnt the concern.fact

What I wanted to point out from all of this is justified that in the duration of all this,he went on a personal trip in which..transparency on the project funds should be emphasised. Any partisan reader without any vested interested cant deny the possibility of anything being misused without any clarification (bill,receipt,invoice) being given.

He wont be making any money out of this? An arguable fact due to the lack of transparency as well.. The earlier post brought out the issue of ownership of the car. Who actually owns it? Is it registered to a company? or an individual?

Kevin,please reply and address our concerns

 

[gobiz2]

Just would like to share my very humble opinion.

Let's look at the facts.

1. Kevin owns the car.
2. Kevin has solicited donations of money and parts.

I think the only way this project can go forward from this point is for Kevin to prepare and sign a legal document outlining the details ie. allowing donors access to the car and for sponsors to showcase their products.

I think even race teams provide documents as to the purpose of sponsorships/donations even when it's fairly obvious the car is going racing.

In this case, once the car is done Kevin could just disappear and enjoy his 50k supercar-killer and nobody would be able to do anything.

 

[ramsing]

Wow.....I was highlighted on this thread, and I"m still amazed that there are people who donate on the basis of trust.

Using ZTH to solicit public funds sounds like a really good plan, but why aim for RM20k, when you can get more? And when/if the project fails to materiliase, there's no T&C that the money has to be paid back. Unless all donaters are given a clear charter on how the money is used, and what happens when things don't work out. As P T Barnum used to say, 'There's a sucker born every minute'.

Saying that, I can donate my mini minor for this project. Since the Z31 is in bad shape, you can use my mini minor instead. You can restore it and make it into a track beast like Italian Job. Will be cheaper also and no need turbo. Once the restoration is done, I still own the car, the car will be parked at my house, but you can put all the stickers on the car. no problem. can put big big ZTH on the bonnet. Can masuk MSS also, classic car category. Sounds like a good plan la.

 

[Kevin Lee]

I believe the discussion on his personal doing isnt the concern.fact

What I wanted to point out from all of this is justified that in the duration of all this,he went on a personal trip in which..transparency on the project funds should be emphasised. Any partisan reader without any vested interested cant deny the possibility of anything being misused without any clarification (bill,receipt,invoice) being given.

He wont be making any money out of this? An arguable fact due to the lack of transparency as well.. The earlier post brought out the issue of ownership of the car. Who actually owns it? Is it registered to a company? or an individual?

Kevin,please reply and address our concerns

the personal trip was already booked prior to me joining zerotohundred. ive booked everything, in advance, since last year october, for my trip in july this year. tom hired me in the first place after reading how passionate i was towards the honda project. the money has always been transparent, thats the reason why the cash termometer is there for a reason. thats the reason why the thread is updated every week to disclose what has been done. i do hold most of the receipts relating to the car, even the towing costs that allowed the car to be towed there. so far, there is no cost to the car, excpet the purchase of the car. rm500 was used to pay for the spare chassis out of the rm4500, which the rest had to be loaned in advance.

honestly, i am making a loss in this, but for the sake of continuity, i am doing it. i can be a selfish guy and not share any of my builds. no one pays or reimburses my travel costs to various shops who suggested that they might want to sponsor. some went along, some backed off. cant hold it against them. i have to ring up everyone, using my own phone costs. if anything needs to be clarified, u have to talk to tom. honestly, by sharing these, i had people approach me for parts, even in my honda s600 restoration.

yes, i will own the car. this is because. i only have 1 name in my car, and that is the honda. tom has 3 cars in his name and i dont think he will be interested in having a 4th one. so this was discussed from the start. there must be a legal owner for the car. i suggested this project ages by email to tom and he agreed to it. i could have just returned the car and claim customer complaints tribunal for the misrepresented condition of the car i bought, but too much has been done. i have to give good faith to people to continue on the project and that the sponsors involved would not be getting bad rep from my uncompleted project. i am doing everything it takes to be responsible and finish the project.

everyone has a sense of worth and measurement whether if it is worth it. i believe if you followed me 1 day in my life, u would see how committed i have been to the project. we are all people from the internet, we never met. so a lot of these are assumptions based on actions. i dont deny doing wrong, but what happened to good faith?

i have a lot of things going on in life and im having my exams next month. the project has slowed down a bit, but i have to juggle my life a little bit here!

 

[BLaCkHoWLiNG]

Ramsing: screw u! that mini u have is gonna be mine! LoL..

 

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the personal trip was already booked prior to me joining zerotohundred. ive booked everything, in advance, since last year october, for my trip in july this year. tom hired me in the first place after reading how passionate i was towards the honda project. the money has always been transparent, thats the reason why the cash termometer is there for a reason. thats the reason why the thread is updated every week to disclose what has been done. i do hold most of the receipts relating to the car, even the towing costs that allowed the car to be towed there. so far, there is no cost to the car, excpet the purchase of the car. rm500 was used to pay for the spare chassis out of the rm4500, which the rest had to be loaned in advance.

honestly, i am making a loss in this, but for the sake of continuity, i am doing it. i can be a selfish guy and not share any of my builds. no one pays or reimburses my travel costs to various shops who suggested that they might want to sponsor. some went along, some backed off. cant hold it against them. i have to ring up everyone, using my own phone costs. if anything needs to be clarified, u have to talk to tom. honestly, by sharing these, i had people approach me for parts, even in my honda s600 restoration.

yes, i will own the car. this is because. i only have 1 name in my car, and that is the honda. tom has 3 cars in his name and i dont think he will be interested in having a 4th one. so this was discussed from the start. there must be a legal owner for the car. i suggested this project ages by email to tom and he agreed to it. i could have just returned the car and claim customer complaints tribunal for the misrepresented condition of the car i bought, but too much has been done. i have to give good faith to people to continue on the project and that the sponsors involved would not be getting bad rep from my uncompleted project. i am doing everything it takes to be responsible and finish the project.

everyone has a sense of worth and measurement whether if it is worth it. i believe if you followed me 1 day in my life, u would see how committed i have been to the project. we are all people from the internet, we never met. so a lot of these are assumptions based on actions. i dont deny doing wrong, but what happened to good faith?

i have a lot of things going on in life and im having my exams next month. the project has slowed down a bit, but i have to juggle my life a little bit here!

Now lets go back to square one. Just read your reply and in good faith,I am going to try and explain what we expect you to answer. After all faith is given to the deserving..after all that you've done..might as well I try to show some faithfulness in trying to address the problem.

Yeap I got your PM too..its not me you need to answer to I didnt donate anything. Put the answers out here for us to see so then more donation might come for the project.

Tom hired you? Are you paid to do this? What is your position in ZTH and are you legally able to represent ZTH?

We dont need to know Tom has 3 cars and all.. Now it is clear that you are the owner of the car. We are not implying you'll run away with the car or what lah.. Faith ma

But what is the insurance that that wont happen?..in accounts ah..no matter how good the paymaster is there is Provision for Bad Debts.. memang expect to happen..doesnt mean it will happen ma.. correct or not?

Its okay if you got exams..all if not most of us are working also..semua pun ada kerja wan we understand if you are busy. We are not addressing you ma..we're addressing the problem which is the method that you are handling the project.

Read the questions posed by the others and then answer it objectively..list down what is the solution to the problem..things like after the car done who gonna own it..if you then how is it ZTH's car?

How the objective from donation charity became racing in classic series.. not saying its wrong ma..but how come leh..explain la here.. is it an additional plan ke..main plan ke..

self praise is no praise ma..let us praise you bro..show us what you've done properly..black and white do this get what do that get this.. then for sure we'll support you. All of us also got money..we also have dreams..if the Skyline club can make buka puasa trip to orphanage and raise funds in 2 weeks..we also can do what.. as long as its for a good cause.

 

[BLaCkHoWLiNG]

Hmm..

Allow me to post my 2 cents regarding the project, the non-believes and the donation concept, not specifically in that order.

Let me clarify first though : I've never really followed Kevin's posts until the other day when I came across the old Honda rebuild thread. Then later in the features section I came across the RM50k supercar beater challenge. I don't know Kevin in person and found the challenge interesting. I don't know what the original intent was, I just read "RM50k" and "supercar beater".

Having followed the Z thread from day 1, I believe he made it clear that the project will be a learning curve for him and it was the general public that suggested donations. Kevin got Tom's approval and he did exactly that. Posted up what needed to be bought, who donated and how much.

Having had rebuilt my car (not an old classic car), I know that nothing is ever what it seems. Original budget went from 2k to 9k in a blink of an eye because of things that I discovered along the way. This Z will be no less a headache and will probably require something stronger than ponstan to cure. Something this old and rusted will need a lot of body work and something that's supposedly going to beat supercars will need a pretty strong chassis. Having seen how Kevin handled his Honda rebuild, I'm suspecting he expected this Z rebuild to be equally "less painful". But now that he's bought a new chassis, this tells me the original Z is probably scrap or needs a lot of work (ie-$$$).

Blackhowling's earlier comment (in another thread) on buying a ready made and proven car held plenty of credit with me when he said it. But having said that - if I had bought myself a new car instead of rebuilding it, I wouldn't know what I know today about my car and cars in general. It was my interest and passion for the topic that made me want to DIY rebuild a car that had the timing belt snapped and cranked a few times after that in the middle of Federal highway.

Anyway - back to the point, the car will be partially owned by the major sponsors like Playhouse (did I get the name right?) who is doing up the chassis now. I suspect it'll be a showcar for the sponsors and whoever contributed to the car will get to have a go at the car. Regarding the small sponsors - it was a voluntary contribution. If you had doubts, why did you contribute? And picking on Kevin's lifestyle isn't quite a fair comment. Going to Europe is a luxury everyone can afford right after you save up enough! I personally feel his lifestyle should not be a topic of discussion here. However his poor choice of a car base is evident imho!

Anyhow, what's done is already done. Kevin isn't making any money out from doing this. From what I've seen the car and effort is purely his and the fact that he's sharing this is commendable. What's even more commendable is how members are reacting with some contributing funds, some contacts and recommendations and so on.

I for one would like to see this project to reach completion. I dream about classic rebuilds like a RX3 with wide body conversion and so on. But I know I can't afford the rebuild and to me buying a ready made one is no fun so until Uncle Toto sponsors me, I'll just be reading the Z thread.

Iszo: i applaud your initiatives to learn the skills on working at things that you love, i.e. through your sweat and blood DIY sessions on your cars.. However, the different thing is, you are doing it with your dough, u aint asking for public donations or pestering car clubs for parts donations..(i'm not claiming the TS did..).. hence it's out of your own blood, sweat and hard earned money...

The next thing is, like the veteran Joeker said, where is this vehicle parked? It should be parked at Tom's office, not at the TS' home. Do you see F1 cars parked at the driver's home? or do you see MSS sponsored race cars parked at the driver's home?

It was mentioned that 'i've written numerous proposals to this and that but no reply'... what sort of confidence do we, the members who stoodby ZTH from day one till now have on a person who starts a project by selecting a wrong rusted chassis and go find another one and simply add a nice thermometer asking for donations? think money is like shit, just squat and push.. it'll come out? no! So proposal, where is it? secretive? if yes, dont ask fr donation.. to who? secretive? why? u ask ah long for sponsor ah? on the door it says "See, My car fast bai!! Why? Coz i rushing to collect my money !"... or from who? ah long victim annonymous? "My car fast baii!! Why? Coz i running away from ah long baiiii"...


I may be one voice on this topic.. but i do not stand alone on this dimension of mine where 'the unbelievers' reside... you may delete my post but you will fail to disintegrate the fires of disbelief that burns within us

 

[Kevin Lee]

i must be privy in this. tom has told me not to divulge anything in the public, with that u will have to accept the fact he has hired me, for a minimum period of 2 years. however, this works like this. all the pay i get goes into the repayment of the car. why would i honestly waste my precious time in writing for zth, where i can go out and take more sleep even. all the money i get, goes back into the bank loans ive loaned under my name. i take all the risks. if i run away, then tom can stop hiring me and i still owe the bloody bank. who the hell writes for free anyways? im doing this in a form of charity, to educate the crowd about motorvehicles. yet, people tend to jump a few threads and not see what ive told in the past 24 weeks. its a shame.

tom has provided me a platform, in this case, zerotohundred to ask for around for sponsors to build up this project. i suggested him this project since i believe no one has undertaken this approach. call it bold and stupid, we learn thru mistakes

i believe, people have been mispresented from day 1. the problem stems from people who has never met me personally. so far ive met tom twice in real life. i tell him how enthusiastic that i want to show the motorsport to everyone. no one paid for me, when i went on the autobahn, i paid my own money and own petrol. i shared my experience on zth on good faith, so people could do the same too. yet all this i am getting, is people thinking im splurging their money. good job.

i know certain people from the skyline community is viewing me very negatively, because i seem to be getting all the financial benefits from the build, but what they dont go thru, is the pain of getting dissapointments all the time. one ring call, and my heart sinks, they tell me this problem and that problem. what can i do? i just push thru. people here being happy keyboard warriors only think im doing the same, i only wish they could see in life how i had to wade thru all of this.

diablo, its appreciated if u read thru from week 1. what i said was "things we could do". they werent promises, but i will deliver them whenever possible. i mean, in case i have other emergencies to attend to, then i cant do that right? as i said, all in good faith.

have i failed to deliver so far? have i so called brought up scams on people? i believe people have to really understand my situation to comment me further. the only reason i answered u, diablo is that, people on here has a certain opinion about me on the project.

i hope that u are neutral and see where i am coming from. to answer all this, it takes time, typing and thinking what to say, not to offend

 

[BLaCkHoWLiNG]

btw, stop pm-ing me either here or in facebook. We are transparent... just post here if u got any comments... thanks ya

 

[Kevin Lee]

it was this morning. i am doing that already now.

 

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Okay la yala side story all we get it sure got explaination. So now we can establish the fact that you are working for Zerotohundred and Tom hired you ma..okay so that means that this project is legally binded to ZTH. Its not about you la Kevin..its about the project.

Sure la not everyone get to know you real life..me included. Thats not a reason for you not to have plan this better. If you dont know how..you can ask all of us to give suggestions..formally pun boleh.. go yumcha and meet some of us la.. we got senior project managers..human resource directors..management guru all semua pun ada lurking .. got to ask la how to manage all this.

People say you spend money all is one thing..now you have to show them you didnt,want to play holier then thou pun takbley...you already hold people's money now kan? So listen to us and set things straight.

EVERYONE here has a story on how hard they work to do the things they want..we also not today only drive cars..most of the seniors here spent hundreds of thousands for their cars by themselves.It's imperative to them to know that where their hard earned money goes to..myself included. It doesnt mean we are prejudiced on you..you got to make us feel more involved.

Show the receipts and all that..tell everyone its legit and your projection is based on real-time pricing. If we want to be professional about it..then it has to start from you : )

 

[Kevin Lee]

yeah well, but u saw how i was being misunderstood that i am just sitting down there collecting money from everyone. u could have reported scam to tom and get me in trouble. simple as that

i did tell long ago where the money would go. thats why i said, i prefer people going thru the updates every 24 weeks to see what is missing. blackhowling, suggested a modded supra at 50k. realistically, we dont have cold hard cash of 50k to purchase that! everything goes thru a box and slowly planned to make this a reality. i could have bought any other car. i wanted to buy a c10 skyline sedan, however i believe ruining a complete classic would be a sin. that car has a g18 prince engine, that is stock. so i recommended that to someone who is passionate enough to do it.

after all, zth is all about modifications and stuffs. since the z31 was in shambles and never came with the original engine, i beleive it would be not a sin to hot rod it. i am all about originality and theme.

so far, there is no receipts in regard to the build. the only thing i can tell u is

car acquired for RM10,000 - paper receipt not scanned
towing costs : RM600 (receipt kept by edison of top secret)
rb20 repairs : RM300 (to determine fault) - receipt by edison
towing costs to playhouse for evaluation : RM100 - receipt on sms
purchase of spare chassis : RM4500 (RM500 from donation box, RM4000 loaned from relatives, receipt by sms)

purchased trim parts using own money : RM300

now are u happy with the disclosures? i could put that every week on my write ups

so far i still havent broken the bank and has not exceeded rm50,000. thats why i rather prefer u start reading from week 1 to week 24, rather than hearing from non credible source who has no head and tails of what is going on

 

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yeah well, but u saw how i was being misunderstood that i am just sitting down there collecting money from everyone. u could have reported scam to tom and get me in trouble. simple as that

i did tell long ago where the money would go. thats why i said, i prefer people going thru the updates every 24 weeks to see what is missing. blackhowling, suggested a modded supra at 50k. realistically, we dont have cold hard cash of 50k to purchase that! everything goes thru a box and slowly planned to make this a reality. i could have bought any other car. i wanted to buy a c10 skyline sedan, however i believe ruining a complete classic would be a sin. that car has a g18 prince engine, that is stock. so i recommended that to someone who is passionate enough to do it.

after all, zth is all about modifications and stuffs. since the z31 was in shambles and never came with the original engine, i beleive it would be not a sin to hot rod it. i am all about originality and theme.

so far, there is no receipts in regard to the build. the only thing i can tell u is

car acquired for RM10,000 - paper receipt not scanned
towing costs : RM600 (receipt kept by edison of top secret)
rb20 repairs : RM300 (to determine fault) - receipt by edison
towing costs to playhouse for evaluation : RM100 - receipt on sms
purchase of spare chassis : RM4500 (RM500 from donation box, RM4000 loaned from relatives, receipt by sms)

purchased trim parts using own money : RM300

now are u happy with the disclosures? i could put that every week on my write ups

so far i still havent broken the bank and has not exceeded rm50,000. thats why i rather prefer u start reading from week 1 to week 24, rather than hearing from non credible source who has no head and tails of what is going on

Kevin..i read your thread from head to tail from the start up until now . I am telling you directly this is what I feel about this. Im not basing all of this on prejudice and thinking you are scamming us but you have to start READING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT I JUST WROTE EARLIER LEHHH

I also can write i bought my girlfriend for rm10000..cant be scanned shes a human..but i bought her for that price. Have faith ma i where got lie.. You get the picture?

We have to periodicaly list the documents or at least get Tom to tell us that this is officially supported by ZTH.

Secondly ah..I am always under the impression that you are doing this public project based on your own likings.Look at how you chose the car..If I was you I'd bring in some members of the forums of different expertise to evaluate the car and post the findings before agreeing to purchase it. That way I dont have to say aiyah..so much rust..so much shit underneath. Whats done is done lah..we learn from mistakes right? You could at least discuss thoroughly what steps need to be taken into consideration.. not tell us okay we're gonna do this this..then ask our money for it.

You wanted to buy C10 skyline but you believe complete classic is a sin..mehhh I dont want to know what you want..Its a public project bro..always remember that its our project..all of us ZTHrians

 

[Blood Red]

i know people from the skyline community is viewing me very negatively, because i seem to be getting all the financial benefits from the build, but what they dont go thru, is the pain of getting dissapointments all the time. one ring call, and my heart sinks, they tell me this problem and that problem. what can i do? i just push thru. people here being happy keyboard warriors only think im doing the same, i only wish they could see in life how i had to wade thru all of this.

Kevin, as the unofficial self-elected ex-Ketua Darjah of the unofficial Skyline Club, I unofficially take offense at your official statement above.

Please do not generalize.

Thank you.

Cheers,
Mantan Ketua Darjah Tidak Rasmi Kelab Garis Langit Malaysia

 

[Kevin Lee]

yeah, but u must understand. 10k is an amount understood from the beginning. hence it should be left out from the donation box as it has been partially paid up, based on my working term with tom. the 10k will not involve any members of the party, in a donation. theres no donation in it. pretty clear. as for the towing costs and rb20, i have absorbed the costs myself. i didnt asked anyone for them in the first place if u followed up closely.

when did i started to ask donations? it was when i decided that we needed an engine, then we started the 2.8k donation box. then later on, with the problems found in the condition of the car. we had to splurge out a surprise amount of 4.5k to speed things up. i was hessitating at first to start the box, but some forumers suggested it. i asked tom and tom approved. then i created a paypal account which both of us can access. i record down every donation money on the thermometer and the transaction slip every week in post, is that not good enough? even if the money can't be get from the donation box, at least i am straightforward honest to my corporate sponsors. remember, the money can come from many avenue and it will be how i will disclose it.

i have discussed with tom. tom did ask if the z31 was a good car to go along with. i wiki'ed a lot and there are a lot of posts suggesting so. one of the cars u can read is little k's rb26dett powered z31. another credible source i referred to is khoyo's own 2jz powered z31. if these two sources arent good enough, then i believe i might have made the wrong choice. if this was a public project, asking what I WILL BUY for the public, now thats different, but considering its my own start up money, i believe the choices rests in me.

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Kevin, as the unofficial self-elected ex-Ketua Darjah of the unofficial Skyline Club, I unofficially take offense at your official statement above.

Please do not generalize.

Thank you.

Cheers,
Mantan Ketua Darjah Tidak Rasmi Kelab Garis Langit Malaysia

sorry for that, what i meant to say is, certain people. not all, sorry!

 

[gobiz2]

Kevin, my humble opinions again.

No need to write so long.
No need to harp on what is spent, as it is still YOUR car.

Just provide proper and legal documents as to:
1. How the donations will be used
2. How donors and sponsors can use/access the car.

It's just to reassure them and forumers here that you won't:
1. Quit the project (making the donations and sponsorships in vain).
2. Abscond with the car if you manage to complete it.

Thus, if you do one of the above, donors/sponsors will be able to seek legal redress.

 

[[PIMPIN]]

For all those who maintain that Kevin's personal life should remain private, I couldn't agree with you more. However, Kevin obviously does not think so. For the past few hours I've been inundated with messages both via SMS and on FB from friends who were contacted by Kevin wanting to get my number.

Why does he want to speak to me privately? I do not know. All I asked was very simple and I'll list it down again:

1) Initially Kevin said the car was to be used for fund raising activities to which I was enthusiastic and agreed to donate a spare HKS F-Con which I'm not using. At this point in time, if you read the earlier threads note how it seems as though this was a car owned by ZTH and Kevin was sort of the appointed guy to spearhead the project. Even to this day, he keeps using "we" as though there is more than one person who has a stake in the car.

2) Fast forward a few weeks later and suddenly the goal has changed to proving that a performance car or something can be built for under RM50k. I believe there was even an implied target top speed and a lot of the posts had a Wangan theme to it. What happened to the fund raising, displaying the car all over the country?

3) Now the goal seems to be racing the car in some classic car championship which I admit I don't know much about. Nevertheless, I fail to see the link between any form of competitive racing AND fundraising.

That is the main issue I believe Kevin has yet to clarify. Why the changes in the scope of the project? If someone had donated RM50 in the second week thinking it was going towards a car built to raise funds for charity is it fair to him that the goal is to now race the car? Shouldn't that money be returned?

The reason why I mentioned the European trip was to question Kevin's dedication to the project. Given the fact that he has managed to squeeze in a long holiday which I'm sure wasn't cheap, why only RM300 attributed to you so far based on what you have posted in your graph? As you said, if one were to follow you 24/7 then the dedication you have towards this project would be obvious but if this was truly your goal then it should be reflected in the contributions. If indeed you had contributed more than the RM300 you listed, why not list it all down properly? That's what full disclosure is all about isn't it.

You solicited donations from people under various pretences and not a single receipt of any kind has been posted here on ZTH.

Are you able to disprove the above statement? Until you do, I believe I'm not the only one who would continue to question this project of yours. Which brings me to my final points:

1) It looks to me like what you're now trying to do is swap chassis between the two Z31s. I have to ask on behalf of everyone - is this legal or not?

2) What happens if the end result of your project fails to pass an inspection? Is everyone reimbursed? What is your contingency plan? Since you've submitted numerous proposals, surely this was something you had anticipated?

Lastly, I couldn't help but notice that someone implied that the Skyline community was 'jealous of the financial benefits' that Kevin has somehow received from the project. Let me be clear in saying that this isn't the case. It's not the amount of money that matters but firstly, how you went about soliciting it and secondly how you've failed to provide full disclosure on all things related to the project.

If this project was truly a project owned by ZTH and is used for fund raising as originally implied, I would have gotten the Skyline community to buy that RB26DETT for you. If that car becomes the property of ZTH and you have guaranteed in writing the completion of the car in a road legal form I will personally guarantee you that RB26DETT engine you have been posting week after week.

BTW, if you really wanted to raise money don't set a minimum donation of RM50. People will give what they want to give. If someone can spare RM10 or RM20 then take it.

 

[Kevin Lee]

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if that is the way to go, i will proceed doing that for assurance. i think it was discussed long ago how the money would be spent. each thermometer suggests how the money will be spent and what reasons

i believe its better to ask tom to give out an official statement. ive ONLY have an email from him saying i am allowed to use zth as platform to ask for sponsorship. thats it. tom could have given me 10k from the beginning and asked me to build this car. but no. my form of security to him is, a bank loan with alliance bank of 11k, 10k for car purchases, 1k for the rest of the acquire and fixing costs. with that i am commited to the bank for 2 years. should i am dismissed from my job early. i will have to deal with the losses in acquiring a junk car. i put my good faith trust on tom. thats how it is. so far only 5/24 months has been repaid.

the car will be in possession for 2 years. nothing will change. even my contract with sponsors will be a minimum 2 years to display, when our contract starts. the only thing i could say is, i could sell of the car and restart another project, if that HAS to happen, but i dont foresee seeing it

you can quote my words to put urself on self assurance. as i am a employee and not an employer to the company, i cannot put out legally binding documetns.

i have every right to the car. if it completed, i will drive the car around as a how scooby doo would have their mystery machine. a way to actually show the car around to the public. but my promises is that it will be unsold for a minimum of two years. even so, you have to acknowledge the hard work that goes thru in negotiating all the sponsorship. that's how i see it.

you can quote my quote, and can be seconded by another person quoting my text. this is to be fair and just. i will post on zth future updates, that both of u will be able to testify against me if stuff goes wrong. my full name and bank account is listed on top, so feel free to bring legal issues to me.