Project Z Week 23: Spare Z31 Chassis

[168henri]

I wish you and ZTH success.

I'll just continue as a silent reader.

Signing off.

 

[Kevin Lee]

I wish you and ZTH success.

I'll just continue as a silent reader.

Signing off.

overall, i appreciate your honest opinion on this because its the most constructive criticism i have on this thread.

 

[[PIMPIN]]

Kevin,

I thought I was done with this thread but it looks like I keep getting sucked back in. You already know what I think of your project and it seems quite a large number of senior members here share the same views as I do. Let me reiterate that I had initially agreed to sponsor an F-Con when you said this was a ZTH car built for fund raising. Clearly that is no longer the case so obviously I rescind my offer as its no longer for a cause I deem worthwhile.

With that in mind, can you please stop sending me PMs as I'm not interested in being even remotely associated with your project. Additionally, could you please stop badgering people for my phone number as I've no interest in talking to you. Whatever makes you think I'd sponsor an RB26DETT for your car? You seem to write decent articles yet reading isn't your strong point. Read my earlier posts - I said if this was a ZTH car (which it isn't) and was built to be a road legal fund raising tool (which it also isn't) then I'd have personally guaranteed you that engine. I think everyone here understands what I'm saying with you being the exception. I don't know if you're being dense to divert attention or if that is the best you can do as far as reading and comprehension are concerned.

So how about you just get on with this project of yours and forget about my earlier offer to donate the F-Con since it was an offer that resulted from misrepresentation on your part and the ever-changing scope of your project leaves me no choice but to disassociate myself from your project. Plus, after half a year you have shown next to no progress whatsoever nor have you even addressed any of my questions which I had kindly underlined in bold no less. But I guess the excuses for that is the fact that student life keeps you busy plus living in Kampar is making it hard to get things done and also that the written word leaves much room for misinterpretation.

Hope this settles the matter in a way that you are able to understand. If you have any problems, print out the entire thread and bring it to school. I'm sure one of your lecturers can help explain.

 

[s1tl]

Originally Posted by Kevin Lee
public donations were created because i told tom, that some forumers had suggested so. with that, i asked tom and he approved it. it is generally his website. it is wise that i do what i am allowed to do, within the limits set by him. if you think that is wrong, please address it to him. i only proceed to do it, because, ultimately, like it or not, it is his website and i agree the forum doesn't belong to me, but i appreciate you know that zth has been run on costs borne by tom to keep it running. so if anything, he has the say , even to pull the plug, hoep you will respect what he has to say. i never dragged him, merely asking permissions, he has the right to say no, but he has allowed me otherwise.
it is your project, STOP pushing it to others.

sponsors don't move, donations are slow = you blame others.

people question why you want public to invest more than 90% in your project = Tom say ok.

EVEN if Tom decides not to let you use ZTH as an avenue to solicit donations and look for sponsors, does the car belong to Tom?

it is YOUR project so please stop pushing every thing to others and take real ownership.

bro u r soright on this point I can't agree more. Coz when he called me he say becoz of blackhowling's post his donations stop coming in. I was like LOL that's the best excuse ever and pushing the problems to a person that just voice his dissatisfaction hahaha

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i dont think u were involved in the decision making. it was henry btw. and i havent told u about my project before introducing you to henry, so you have your timelines messed up. steven can account to that.

oh yeah, easy to find him, look in my friends, bryan c autojunctions. its good that u can add him and be friends, so you can do detailing jobs too!

Sorry u dontnadd ppl just for business. I need friends too. I'm not like u stepping into ppl's business while ppl is discussing business u step in and shown ur name card its very funny ur perception of business marketing.

Even if I don't know ur timeline I rmb telling u about the 1985 2door e30 project I wanted to do and after much research i found out I needed to cough out cash amount of at least 100k and i told u 50k car with a rb26 just won't work. Tat money is not enough to reinforce the chasis to withstand that kind of power. Don't talk cock with me ask me google chasis reinforcement. U mock me like I'm some kind of retard on phone and on fb chat. I stfu does not mean I'm an idiot. Thanks for the total no respect to the only and youngest auto detailer in the industry and repeatedly trying to ask me to donate my service and elbow grease to detail ur Volvo and merc when u screw up ur driving and scratch it. U still dare say I'm ur friend by directly asking me "can u do it for free..?" when I ask u to write an article in return u took 3 months.

My opinion, ur attitude and character needs to be tuned before u can do any project. Even if u restore a proton saga u will fcuk up

 

[Izso]

Kevin : I contribute out of passion for cars not because I want money la (would be a nice bonus though). And I wouldn't think of starting a RX3 project, I have barely enough to support my current cars. Why do you think I'm so a big fan of DIY? Cost savings dude!

Anyway, I suggest to you now that you don't respond to anymore of these posts, digest them and take the feedback seriously. There are some good feedback here, focus on those and just get on with it. You can have your own opinion and others can have theirs even if they don't match. The only thing you can do now is take this feedback and try to implement what is suggested otherwise the Z project is doomed for failure if there is no support from the general public here.

You don't have to have Bryan or Pimpins support to complete the project but I'm sure these guys are only just the tip of the iceberg and there's bound to be others with similar questions, with only these folks being more vocal. I personally am neutral and intend to stay that way.

So the way I see it now is just accept the feedback, process what is logical and ignore what is not, then quickly get the gears going for this Z and see its completion asap! I'm sure you're more than capable, just that you probably need to arrange your schedule. I've no idea how you manage to study and maintain two restoration projects at the same time! Kudos to you bro!

 

[wsukun]

gosh s1tl..
its getting a little bit personal there..

 

[Kevin Lee]

bro u r soright on this point I can't agree more. Coz when he called me he say becoz of blackhowling's post his donations stop coming in. I was like LOL that's the best excuse ever and pushing the problems to a person that just voice his dissatisfaction hahaha

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Sorry u dontnadd ppl just for business. I need friends too. I'm not like u stepping into ppl's business while ppl is discussing business u step in and shown ur name card its very funny ur perception of business marketing.

Even if I don't know ur timeline I rmb telling u about the 1985 2door e30 project I wanted to do and after much research i found out I needed to cough out cash amount of at least 100k and i told u 50k car with a rb26 just won't work. Tat money is not enough to reinforce the chasis to withstand that kind of power. Don't talk cock with me ask me google chasis reinforcement. U mock me like I'm some kind of retard on phone and on fb chat. I stfu does not mean I'm an idiot. Thanks for the total no respect to the only and youngest auto detailer in the industry and repeatedly trying to ask me to donate my service and elbow grease to detail ur Volvo and merc when u screw up ur driving and scratch it. U still dare say I'm ur friend by directly asking me "can u do it for free..?" when I ask u to write an article in return u took 3 months.

My opinion, ur attitude and character needs to be tuned before u can do any project. Even if u restore a proton saga u will fcuk up

yes im aware of the e30 u were trying to purchase

and yes, my guys at playhouse garage suggested chassis reinforcement for prices cheaper than the one you google. then again price is subjective remember

i never mock you, i was bringing up points on what i deem was right. i had the same chat with henry yesterday yet he listens to me patiently. if a friend were to listen properly, then everything can work out.

yeah u did detail my car, i told u , i didnt had clearance from tom about your articles and also i didnt know how to write. then i asked you to narrate some points, so i can add sentences to it. sorry i generally have no proper knowledge on detailing, hence i asked if you can little points to it, so i can expand. does that make sense now? i paid for the rest of the detailing, remember, either in forms of cash or beer. that you should remember. that detailing of the merc led to the introduction of henry and beer. i've never treated you like a sucker, but circumstances looked so. i hope that pretty much explains what happenned, so i appreciate that all the ill treatment goes out

im not blaming everyone for the lack of donations, but the project has been slowed down, because i had to ensure the balls being passed around. what can i do, if my guy who does the stripping slows down and has to focus on his business? it is his right, his sponsorship is a volunteer job.

then what if the other guy , wants me to sit down the next time i can drop by kl to discuss what i require in the metal restoration job. that is why it slowed down

then the next issue is, i have to come down to kl, to sit down with probable cash sponsors, only to decide if they were going ahead. right now. i can accomplish this every week end, thats why its span over 24 weeks now, which in essence, 4 weeks was unavailable, 20 weeks with part of them i actually went down to kl to discuss more

 

[mizunori77]

i approached tom, to ask, if we can do a project together, to showcase what is possible to do with a wreck. plus there must be a valid /legal owner to the car. hence i was nominated. we agreed to use the car to participate in the forthcoming timetoattack events.

so here you have confirmed that the car is actually a joint-project with ZTH while Tom's clarification quoted below has never mentioned anything about joint-ownership of the project.

once again, please stop pushing your responsibilities on to someone else.

So how does this relationship work?
1. Kevin Lee brings his Z project to the ZTH community.
2. ZTH allows Kevin Lee to publicize his Z Project as ZTH Contributor.
3. Kevin Lee contributes to ZTH through car and project article entries.
4. ZTH reimburses Kevin Lee with a small monthly salary for the effort.

I also gave Kevin Lee the green light to accept donations to further boost the project's health. All this in the name of love for building cars.

however as time goes by, tom is caught up with with setting up with his own office. with that, tom told me i should handle the project alone! what can i do, if he leaves half way, so i soldiered on. i never put tom's name on it and i appreciate that he allows me to demonstrate what i can do.

as ZTH is not a co-owner of the project, i fail to understand why tom is faulted for 'leaving the project halfway' that you have to "soldier on" alone.

dude, you initiated the project, take ownership and stop pushing it to others. this is why many forum members think you are full of crap.

i had a plan, i did get donations, mostly from product sponsors. getting cash sponsor is not easy. that's the trouble ive been going thru! i have more product sponsors that i havent listed down yet, because they haven't sent me the items to me or i haven't visited their shop to do a gratitude write up for their shop.

it is good that you have a plan but as you said, cash donations are difficult to secure.

have you refined your plans or come up with better quid-pro-qua for would be donors and sponsors so others have more confidence in you and the project rather than your current strategy of emphasizing on "Tom said OK"?

as what pimpin has said earlier, did you even bother to read our comments for the past 6 pages?

yes i am someone of no credibility. i know you do race professionally, but should someone of no credibility deprived of showing what you can do? we are all humans beings and should be given a fair chance if possible.

i am neither a pro driver nor an amateur competitor but i do know that in real life, no one will throw money or parts to a stranger so the other guy can "play car" unless there is a very good reason behind it.

i am not saying that newbies don't deserve a chance. i'm just saying that newbies should not hitch a free ride but pretend that he isn't.

if i knew i would be branded as hanging on to the zth name, i wouldnt have started out the project at all. for what reason do i have to put up will all the unnecessary problems arising from people who will think im just hogging the zth name for my own personal gain. the reason is, ive disclosed the z31 project in public and it would be irresponsible to tom if i cancel the project. tom said, i would need to do public explanation as why to the project would be cancelled. thats why is soldiered on. do u think i really liked to get flaked by the public?

if your version of "constructive criticism" is just for people to wish you good luck, then of course all the responses so far from pimpin, BH and other forum members will appear to be "negative" to you.

if you had an ounce of humility, at the very least, check and recheck your own motives and your project plan before "explaining" it to the public.

isn't this a better way for you to clarify everything instead of just dragging tom or zth into the picture relentlessly?

you are giving off the impression that you don't even have the confidence to share your project plans that you have to tumpang the green light given to fend of "negative comments".

do you think this action of yours inspire confidence in others?

you will know the point how i started this all and thought i would receive full support. but unfortunately i was left to fend myself and still soldier on. this project was labelled as project z and zth provides as a media coverage partner to the project, as it does disburse funds to help out this project, so in everyway, zth has claims to this car in commercial speaking reasons. please understand this.

media partners are just media partners, nothing more... just like sponsors will only be sponsors.

if the project owner (you) is not doing your best to manage the project, what makes you think that you can push the blame to others?

no one said that doing a car project will be easy but it is definitely worse if you won't even take responsibility or show accountability for your own actions... and this is why you "feel" you are being bombarded.

if you really want good support, show that you are sincere. stop pushing the buck.

this is my last post in this thread.

and to show you some little support, i wish you "good luck".

 

[Kevin Lee]

it was actually an fb chat discussion with tom on this issue, but nothing was on black and white, so i agree it cant count. i didnt cared if i had to start this project alone, because i was confident of finishing it. but i see ive been viewed negatively

well i did have plans, but the thing is, it involves sitting down and meeting up the sponsors. which i can allocate time at certain weekends and had to match up with the timing of the sponsor. i did try to get a certain sponsor out, but he was hospitalised in a certain tragedy and could only delay a meet 3 months later after super gt. unexpected things happen, whom am i to point fingers. i tried to look around for other too.

as for pimpin, i do read the comments, but it takes some time to keep up and reply each and every comment that has been put on, flooding the pages. i cant follow up with the post everytime sorry!

there are certain things in the car modification world to be privy. im sure u are aware that certain modifications will fire up the alarm bells. in essence, modifications to cars were never properly legal, thats why certain things cant be disclosed further to jeopardize the build, i hope that is understood. i rather ask everyone to come on for a cup of tea and listen to me on the table. this is the best way i can explain my direction, because anything i say on text, can be used against me in the project. im just saying this on the safe side

i'm not pushing blame to others, but it wouldnt be a cool thing if any of the cash sponsors saw this thread and they started to back up. most people wont know , if there was a shortage of funds, project stalls. i have to run around just to secure funds, it wasnt easy, but im pushing it. instead look at 24 weeks as 24 days. i could only do something on weekends.

so you know, i am a professional student. ive done my undergrad. so to clarify, im not really poor college student. its just i have no debts from real life, e.g. car loan, house loan, etc. the only commitment i have is to restore the honda s600 as a priority. the nissan works on cash i can garner on the mighty car mods - car donation idea.

 

[- D i a b l o -]

So Kevin..as you can see ah..quite alot of "unfaithfuls" out here and most are senior members of the club..myself included..been reading silently for too long.

When abang teach the adik how to do things then the adik still want to give reasons then not surprising the abang will rage lah.. so many forms of the concerns are being put across..we dont even have to list down what to do next..take the weekend off..sit down and read back what was written..and formulate a solution.

 

[5115]

Kevin:with all my respect,i think it's time to start the planning 1st before typing....things seems not working the other way round.i admired your passion & courage to start this project but too bad things just went wrong at the beginning...i bet you know how to differentiate what's criticism and constructive comment here in this thread.ignored the criticism,took what's constructive and start working on it.

Others:thanks for all the inputs & donations,let's give him sometime to sort things out.

-PEACE-

 

[Kevin Lee]

dear diablo

their inputs were appreciated, but some were done with wrong intentions. i respect pimpin's, gobiz and mizunori's input, they made the most sense anyways.

thing is, there is many circumstance that i cant say in general, that could potentially damage my relationships with my sponsors. so i have to take flaking from readers to make sure this goes

remember, the sponsors volunteered to help out for free. everything i do, must be considerate and let them do their work and not push them. it is only fair

i will focus more on the project resto after my exams, on 26. then, as long as people see movement, that would eventually inspire confidence. i am done writing. i think i need to get back to studies, as it was delayed for a day

 

[Veloc]

Kev,

The first step you made was the biggest mistake. The car was horrible. You didn't even check whether it could start. Holes with rust where my fist can go in was visible to you, me and your brother. On the bonnet, on the trunk, on the roof plus many more. You didn't even look at the car thoroughly for say 3mins before going into the office? I was thinking who the hell buys something worth RM10k without even looking at the product from all angles and testing it out.

I told you not to go ahead. But you wanted to rush into the seller's office and hand him your RM10k without even bargaining....for me I would just leave or maybe offer RM2k for that junk.

But since you are more 'experience' than me plus a writer for ZTH, I couldn't say more as I'm just a regular guy.

If I'm in your position, I would put down my ego and just call this off and return the money and stuffs to the sponsors. Take the losses and learn from it.

Better still, complete the car using your own money and show everyone that you made it.

wtf? he did that? ARe you serous right now?

 

[kazukimy]

dude,seriously,have some humility,not to bash u or anything,but no1 cares abt ur commitment and whether u grads wif 1st class honours or wat not..problem is...since u had stir the honeycomb,how u wan to finish up the project?stop playing tai chi stating this project initially join wif whose who la,heck....now,stop bringing those taiko name in,as per so many tetsimonies being written on the thread...u think which side of wind ppls will stand on?

dont need to say how much u sacrifice coz Tom leaved u halfway(if he really said he co-project wif u,from wat i had read,he juz giving u green light for the project and din mention abt co project,if it does,pardon me,TL DR)...well boo hoo,plz la...u ask inside this thread alone,how many sifu did spend thousands of monies into their ride?the prob is,u claim is ZTH car,but did u even discuss or even had a poll for which car to be chosen and stuff?democrary dude...democracy....oh well...juz stop playing tai chi yea....oh yea,i oso had juz attained my degree and professional degree too(ps...u think any sifu here care shit abt my last sentence).....juz buck up dude.,...sincerely hope u can finished up the project...good luck

 

[s1tl]

So Kevin..as you can see ah..quite alot of "unfaithfuls" out here and most are senior members of the club..myself included..been reading silently for too long.

When abang teach the adik how to do things then the adik still want to give reasons then not surprising the abang will rage lah.. so many forms of the concerns are being put across..we dont even have to list down what to do next..take the weekend off..sit down and read back what was written..and formulate a solution.

well said diablo well said. its not onlt giving reasons and excuses. i rmb from the phone conversation Kevin said "sorry la now only i start learning" i said god u r 27 years old and u r telling me now only u start to have matured thinking? then he said "its not a sin! to mature later than anybody"

well im 21 and i dont screw with impossible things and i do plan out all my projects. well kev, like most of the senior members say, "GROW UP"

im out ending transmission.

regards,
JOSH
the nobody detailer that u suck on 3 times without paying ;) just a bucket of carlsberg in return

 

[Kevin Lee]

wtf? he did that? ARe you serous right now?

he is correct, but as u see, i was confident on getting the car ready, as my honda s600 had cheeseholes like this

then it was further explained down that, honda doesnt equals nissan when honda only had 57hp and nissan was to have 300+hp

 

[s1tl]

wtf? he did that? ARe you serous right now?

yes veloc, i tot i told u about this when i met u the other day? yes he did it.

i could not imagine anybody buying smth and not inspecting it in and out....even u would not buy ur spoilers prior inspection

 

[- D i a b l o -]

Good to see you have regained some sense in understanding what was being put across. I wont bother trying to push my point across anymore as I believe you are intelligent enough to get it after a night's rest and readup.

Although I still dont get the issue between sponsorship and all that because it is very vague..In good faith I hope you will sort all of this mess out. Bryan's comments should be taken as constructive. You do know that no matter how much you wikied and lurk on the net..nothing comes close to tacit knowledge and experience..doing up the cars he has you've no idea what he went through to be where he is now. Joking about pockets might be a joke to you..but if i was him i would be offended as well.

The point being..is that you have to be humble bro. Dont hear only..listen to what we're saying.. Mighty Car Mods managed to collect the money from forum members who are real life friends..they hang out alot together and the relationship is on a personal basis..go and hang in some overseas such as Supraforum to see what kind of things they share about. Most of them go beyond cars..some discussing home loan education loan for future children..where to buy house.. You can see they are on a different level of camaraderie. Thats the kind of things you should learn.

 

[Kevin Lee]

dude,seriously,have some humility,not to bash u or anything,but no1 cares abt ur commitment and whether u grads wif 1st class honours or wat not..problem is...since u had stir the honeycomb,how u wan to finish up the project?stop playing tai chi stating this project initially join wif whose who la,heck....now,stop bringing those taiko name in,as per so many tetsimonies being written on the thread...u think which side of wind ppls will stand on?

dont need to say how much u sacrifice coz Tom leaved u halfway(if he really said he co-project wif u,from wat i had read,he juz giving u green light for the project and din mention abt co project,if it does,pardon me,TL DR)...well boo hoo,plz la...u ask inside this thread alone,how many sifu did spend thousands of monies into their ride?the prob is,u claim is ZTH car,but did u even discuss or even had a poll for which car to be chosen and stuff?democrary dude...democracy....oh well...juz stop playing tai chi yea....oh yea,i oso had juz attained my degree and professional degree too(ps...u think any sifu here care shit abt my last sentence).....juz buck up dude.,...sincerely hope u can finished up the project...good luck

yeah well, lets put it this way and claim humility and say, i will finish the car alone, only with zth as a platform to look for help, will that substantiate?

i realised this project has garnered some negativity and i will have to brave out the storm.

 

[kazukimy]

u said,brave the storm,how do u intend to do so?juz state in point form,write too much,will conveys too much unimportant message...hope tats help....and wats ur goal now?(to get wif the car)...coz is still shrouded in mystery,i cant get a grasp of wat u plan to achieve here