Project Z Week 23: Spare Z31 Chassis

[[PIMPIN]]

It takes more than one person to get charity box running? Clearly you haven't done much if you don't know the world of difference even one man can make to so many lives.

 

[gobiz2]

Thanks for pointing out the Mad Car Mods project, Kevin.

as i do not have close proximity to the cars nor video equipment for doing so

Maybe this is why many people are so concerned? Maybe after 23 weeks they haven't seen RM800 worth of progress? I dunno...

Hope this works out for you bro. The criticisms are increasing both in number and decibels.

 

[Kevin Lee]

It takes more than one person to get charity box running? Clearly you haven't done much if you don't know the world of difference even one man can make to so many lives.

i never said charity box, i said charitable events. the coordination, the letter writing and all the legal stuffs. i admit to you that, i've only looked into charity last year.

it takes a lot of effort and people to set up a charity i believe as i have never run it alone

 

[BLaCkHoWLiNG]

oh for god sakes stop hiding behind Tom's name.. bottom line is you screwed up from the beginning with all issues that was pointed out by the earlier posting by the respective members.. HAVE YOU NOT LEARN FROM IT!??!?!?!! u still post Tom says this is right.. Tom defended me.. oh this is where i get my dreams from.. yada yada..bla bla....it's down right paranoid... Tom this Tom that.. eh, do u need to ask Tom for permission to piss?

you keep asking others to read earlier posting ..read earlier postings.. all i can see is contradicting statements, lack of transparency and just total failure in terms of communications..

U think it's my pocket i worry about? dude.. pls know who d hell u r talking to.. my mods alone can buy your car and finish off your project... dont insult my intelligence and my pocket...

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i KNOW u r from a well off family back ground... some people do not have that luxury.. i earn every single cent in my wallet.. it aint bapak sponsored... it may not be much.. but it;s enuff... to build what i have.. and to give me what i want.. and to lay out my future plans in place.... i don need to be mocked by a half assed kid on the block who doesnt know how to plan, project manage, lack the charisma, who calls ppl off to screw them up just bcoz they expressed their opinions and then ask proof for it... piss people off here and there to tell me..


"my pocket is safe"

 

[Kevin Lee]

oh for god sakes stop hiding behind Tom's name.. bottom line is you screwed up from the beginning with all issues that was pointed out by the earlier posting by the respective members.. HAVE YOU NOT LEARN FROM IT!??!?!?!! it's down right paranoid... Tom this Tom that.. eh, do u need to ask Tom for permission to piss?

you keep asking others to read earlier posting ..read earlier postings.. all i can see is contradicting statements, lack of transparency and just total failure in terms of communications..

U think it's my pocket i worry about? dude.. pls know who d hell u r talking to.. my mods alone can buy your car and finish off your project... dont insult my intelligence and my pocket...

I believe I am bound to be lead good respect and faith from community members. Tom has specifically mentioned that, any movement of the project must be reported to him. And that I did, I post updates to him via SMS and Whatsapp most of the time. Plus I call him up sometimes

Yes, I believe it was my failure in putting ideas forward and I apologize

I am not insulting your intelligence or pocket. Honestly, I am just bringing up the fact that, choice is yours to contribute. On the joking side, I said, "Your pocket is safe" as a joke. I mean can't that be a nice joke, I am trying to learn to know you better and I hope you do not take offence to taht

 

[[PIMPIN]]

i am personally a rotary club member of RC Ipoh. I understand charity and all and have been involved in certain plannings, like Ekiden Run for raising funds for the Tsunami victims in Japan.

i never said charity box, i said charitable events. the coordination, the letter writing and all the legal stuffs. i admit to you that, i've only looked into charity last year.

it takes a lot of effort and people to set up a charity i believe as i have never run it alone

See it took you only two posts to contradict yourself. Yet you ask for trust and want credibility. Sorry dude, I'm out.

Ciao.

 

[Kevin Lee]

oh for god sakes stop hiding behind Tom's name.. bottom line is you screwed up from the beginning with all issues that was pointed out by the earlier posting by the respective members.. HAVE YOU NOT LEARN FROM IT!??!?!?!! u still post Tom says this is right.. Tom defended me.. oh this is where i get my dreams from.. yada yada..bla bla....it's down right paranoid... Tom this Tom that.. eh, do u need to ask Tom for permission to piss?

you keep asking others to read earlier posting ..read earlier postings.. all i can see is contradicting statements, lack of transparency and just total failure in terms of communications..

U think it's my pocket i worry about? dude.. pls know who d hell u r talking to.. my mods alone can buy your car and finish off your project... dont insult my intelligence and my pocket...

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i KNOW u r from a well off family back ground... some people do not have that luxury.. i earn every single cent in my wallet.. it aint bapak sponsored... it may not be much.. but it;s enuff... to build what i have.. and to give me what i want.. and to lay out my future plans in place.... i don need to be mocked by a half assed kid on the block who doesnt know how to plan, project manage, lack the charisma, piss people off here and there to tell me..


"my pocket is safe"

how would you judge me to be well off? if i was , i wouldnt even be building this project to begin with. yeah well, i'm still half your age and you must agree i have many to learn. i'm sure i will take a while to be of your age and wisdom, so let the tough learning process shape me to be as properly planned, charismatic and diplomatic like you

im really being honest here, tolong tunjuk ajar!

 

[BLaCkHoWLiNG]

I am out...

*end of transmission*

 

[Kevin Lee]

See it took you only two posts to contradict yourself. Yet you ask for trust and want credibility. Sorry dude, I'm out.

Ciao.

i never mentioned the depth of the understandability of charity. that i must clarify. i only know what has been done by others and i merely followed thru. that i must admit to you.

so how is that a yes or a no then, can it be an in between answer?

 

[mizunori77]

let me just reiterate what i have said previously in case my long winded response gets missinterpreted, especially on the green light part.

ZTH providing a platform for a forum member to openly collect donations DOES NOT mean that the forum member can "misuse" the green light to claim that it is a ZTH project.

please remember that you are expecting donors and sponsors to pay over 90% of the project where the car ultimately belongs to you.

if anything goes wrong (like you fail to finish the project), the misconception that you created by misusing the green light from ZTH will ultimately screw ZTH's rep.

this is what we are worried about.

no one is questioning your passions for cars. people are questioning your motives for asking for public donations by hiding behind alleged green light from ZTH.

ZTH may let you open threads and solicit for donations and sponsors, but please... don't drag Tom or ZTH into asking for donations.

it is unprofessional... PERIOD.

you wanna do charity for kids? a drift forum organized a drift for charity event whereby the drifters used their own cars built by their own money to give rides to orphans a few years ago at bukit jalil.

if you want to do charity work, it can be done... but not by changing it to building a car to challenge super cars or to tapao everyone on track while using ZTH's name.

the forum doesn't belong to you alone and doesn't exist for you alone.

in my eyes, and also many others, you are F-ing up ZTH's rep by clinging tightly onto the "green light" that has been given to you for a totally different reason.

 

[Kevin Lee]

like tom said, it is up the good samaritan to judge that if the car should belong to me .

although the project is slow, you have to be wary that i am not from kl. i could only ring up or sms people to hope that they will start doing their job. if they are slow, i cant push them, after all they are sponsors, i need to respect them and rather wanting them to throw my project off the street. please look at this perspective

public donations were created because i told tom, that some forumers had suggested so. with that, i asked tom and he approved it. it is generally his website. it is wise that i do what i am allowed to do, within the limits set by him. if you think that is wrong, please address it to him. i only proceed to do it, because, ultimately, like it or not, it is his website and i agree the forum doesn't belong to me, but i appreciate you know that zth has been run on costs borne by tom to keep it running. so if anything, he has the say , even to pull the plug, hoep you will respect what he has to say. i never dragged him, merely asking permissions, he has the right to say no, but he has allowed me otherwise.

there are many ways to do a charity run. however, ultimately, if the car is not complete, nothing is concrete. only with that, we can move on to the next step, charity.

yes, everyone has opinion, thats why countries exist, wars happen, no one can ever be satisfied. everyone has a say on how a country should be run. i dont want to rub u the wrong side, but i ask permission to do everything within my scope. thats how i should comply, being a paid personnel.

 

[Izso]

I don't understand why everyone is attacking Kevin's posts, charity work, blah blah blah. I for one don't care what he has done, is a member of, is cable of, has rich family, etc etc. I'm only interested in seeing this car get in shape and in running condition.

Just list out what needs to be done to get this project back on track. End of story! Why the need for the "get you to listen to me" attitude when obviously nothing is clicking? Words 7% of a conversation people! 7 freaking percent and it's not a conversation at the moment!!

Tom has stated to list down what needs to be done to improve the current situation and let's do just that as starters yes? Obviously there are a lot of opinions out there so let's here them la!

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(And no Tom is not paying me salary nor am I an employee. I'm just a unpaid contributor)

 

[Kevin Lee]

i honestly think you should be paid, so you could run a show too. especially using an rx-3 as a good writing up experience, but that u have to discuss with tom la.

i just think words are so monotonous on the internet, half the time we cant get the message across. its proper if we can have this discussed vocally one day

 

[s1tl]

I am out...

*end of transmission*

dun cabut first can i add u on fb =D i would really love to know u since u feel my pain too xD. btw did u know my good friend was with kevin lee on the day of purchase which he objected due to the condition was so horrible, but kevin persisted on without listen to other people's opinion. would love to chat with u more

 

[Kevin Lee]

i dont think u were involved in the decision making. it was henry btw. and i havent told u about my project before introducing you to henry, so you have your timelines messed up. steven can account to that.

oh yeah, easy to find him, look in my friends, bryan c autojunctions. its good that u can add him and be friends, so you can do detailing jobs too!

 

[mizunori77]

like tom said, it is up the good samaritan to judge that if the car should belong to me .

the car is already registered under your name. it is yours. you should take ownership of the project, not ZTH.

this is what myself and other forum members are saying when we wrote "don't hide behind Tom/ZTH".

it is YOUR project.

although the project is slow, you have to be wary that i am not from kl. i could only ring up or sms people to hope that they will start doing their job. if they are slow, i cant push them, after all they are sponsors, i need to respect them and rather wanting them to throw my project off the street. please look at this perspective

once again, this is YOUR project because you suggested it from chassis to engine to what you want to do with the car.

take a step back and think why has it been slow? distance is only an excuse.

have you ever thought that your proposal was weak or too unclear that sponsors and donors are confused? forum members highlighted this many times but you went to hide behind "Tom say ok."

public donations were created because i told tom, that some forumers had suggested so. with that, i asked tom and he approved it. it is generally his website. it is wise that i do what i am allowed to do, within the limits set by him. if you think that is wrong, please address it to him. i only proceed to do it, because, ultimately, like it or not, it is his website and i agree the forum doesn't belong to me, but i appreciate you know that zth has been run on costs borne by tom to keep it running. so if anything, he has the say , even to pull the plug, hoep you will respect what he has to say. i never dragged him, merely asking permissions, he has the right to say no, but he has allowed me otherwise.

it is your project, STOP pushing it to others.

sponsors don't move, donations are slow = you blame others.

people question why you want public to invest more than 90% in your project = Tom say ok.

EVEN if Tom decides not to let you use ZTH as an avenue to solicit donations and look for sponsors, does the car belong to Tom?

it is YOUR project so please stop pushing every thing to others and take real ownership.

there are many ways to do a charity run. however, ultimately, if the car is not complete, nothing is concrete. only with that, we can move on to the next step, charity.

this is why pimpin asked if you had a plan.

if you can only give such vague answers, do you think potential sponsors and donors will have confidence in you?

if you are a sponsor and some guy comes to you with this project without proper RoI and unclear goals, will you invest?

calling and sms-ing sponsors every day or every hour means nothing if you have a crappy proposal.

you cant even convince forum members who had asked specific questions, do you think your sponsors will sponsor you based on your passion alone?

they are registered entities and companies and probably some of them have their accounts audited.

how are you helping them to justify sponsoring you in this project? like i mentioned before, you have no racing background and no street cred in rebuilding cars.

why should they sponsor you an RB26DETT when they can sponsor someone else with a better proposal or better motorsports background?

should people just quietly listen to you and throw money/parts at you just because you tumpang ZTH name? is this fair for ZTH? this is what we are saying.

if you still think that people are responding this way just for the sake of disagreeing, the posts would be much shorter and the thread would have been locked for excessive flaming.

yes, everyone has opinion, thats why countries exist, wars happen, no one can ever be satisfied. everyone has a say on how a country should be run. i dont want to rub u the wrong side, but i ask permission to do everything within my scope. thats how i should comply, being a paid personnel.

you don't have to detour to countries and wars and whatnot.

you are right that you had asked for Tom's permission to allow you to open threads and solicit for funds and parts.

however, it still doesn't mean that it is a ZTH project. it is very much, a private project.

take ownership, and show real transparency not only in the collections but on what is your project plan and why should people donate and sponsor.

passion doesn't pay salaries and neither does it guarantee RoI.

this is the reality that you have to face, no matter how convincing youtube videos can be.

 

[Veloc]

Wow... Just a few hours resulted in so many replies and infernos... I got the PM from Kevin too. But seriously there is no need for that. I didn't donate any money. I think that the one weak point in this project is the poor selection of the car. The repair of the chassis took too much time and money. And getting a spare chassis is like a duplicated, repeated use of money.

What's done is done. If the project is decided to go on, what is needed is suggestion of improvements. And mine is this:

1. Get some rotating parts.
2. It has to speed up. Is there a possibility that some of the cost of progress or purchase is borne by zth, and donors can then pay zth back?

Just a suggestion... Cheers...

 

[168henri]

Kev,

The first step you made was the biggest mistake. The car was horrible. You didn't even check whether it could start. Holes with rust where my fist can go in was visible to you, me and your brother. On the bonnet, on the trunk, on the roof plus many more. You didn't even look at the car thoroughly for say 3mins before going into the office? I was thinking who the hell buys something worth RM10k without even looking at the product from all angles and testing it out.

I told you not to go ahead. But you wanted to rush into the seller's office and hand him your RM10k without even bargaining....for me I would just leave or maybe offer RM2k for that junk.

But since you are more 'experience' than me plus a writer for ZTH, I couldn't say more as I'm just a regular guy.

If I'm in your position, I would put down my ego and just call this off and return the money and stuffs to the sponsors. Take the losses and learn from it.

Better still, complete the car using your own money and show everyone that you made it.

 

[khoyos]

So, to help Kevin Lee and the Z Project gain acceptance by the ZTH community, What shall Kevin Lee do next?:

let me give some technical advice on the transplant.

1) get the chassis sorted out. that is the most important part. the car itself.
2) purchase the engine + transmission. since kevin has chosen RB26 as his choice, perhaps invite some Malaysian Skyline Club (MSC) members during engine selection/purchasing. i think MSC can appoint an oversight committee to keep the engine build in check.
3) during conversion, i think the interior sponsor can come over to Edison's workshop to start working on the car. also other engine conversion-related sponsors (if any - such as suspension, braking, seats, etc etc). i'm available for any questions regarding engine conversion cos i've done it twice on my z31. 1st conversion running rb25det, 2nd conversion to 2jzgte.
4) let the car run stock for trial run for about 1 month.
5) supercar-killer upgrades after 1 month successful "commissioning" n ironing out small glitches (i'm sure there will be glitches as this is not a straightforward conversion)
6) give it another 1 month of "running in"
7) start attending ZTH events n start hunting for supercars...

there's some people here capable of handling the commercial aspects, such as the budgeting, looking for sponsors n managing the funds. since it is gonna be a ZTH project car, why not get the members involved? in the end the car might be kevin's to keep but wouldnt it be satisfying to be involved together in the completion of this project?

 

[Kevin Lee]

i approached tom, to ask, if we can do a project together, to showcase what is possible to do with a wreck. plus there must be a valid /legal owner to the car. hence i was nominated. we agreed to use the car to participate in the forthcoming timetoattack events.

however as time goes by, tom is caught up with with setting up with his own office. with that, tom told me i should handle the project alone! what can i do, if he leaves half way, so i soldiered on. i never put tom's name on it and i appreciate that he allows me to demonstrate what i can do.

i had a plan, i did get donations, mostly from product sponsors. getting cash sponsor is not easy. that's the trouble ive been going thru! i have more product sponsors that i havent listed down yet, because they haven't sent me the items to me or i haven't visited their shop to do a gratitude write up for their shop.

yes i am someone of no credibility. i know you do race professionally, but should someone of no credibility deprived of showing what you can do? we are all humans beings and should be given a fair chance if possible.

if i knew i would be branded as hanging on to the zth name, i wouldnt have started out the project at all. for what reason do i have to put up will all the unnecessary problems arising from people who will think im just hogging the zth name for my own personal gain. the reason is, ive disclosed the z31 project in public and it would be irresponsible to tom if i cancel the project. tom said, i would need to do public explanation as why to the project would be cancelled. thats why is soldiered on. do u think i really liked to get flaked by the public?

you will know the point how i started this all and thought i would receive full support. but unfortunately i was left to fend myself and still soldier on. this project was labelled as project z and zth provides as a media coverage partner to the project, as it does disburse funds to help out this project, so in everyway, zth has claims to this car in commercial speaking reasons. please understand this.

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Kev,

The first step you made was the biggest mistake. The car was horrible. You didn't even check whether it could start. Holes with rust where my fist can go in was visible to you, me and your brother. On the bonnet, on the trunk, on the roof plus many more. You didn't even look at the car thoroughly for say 3mins before going into the office? I was thinking who the hell buys something worth RM10k without even looking at the product from all angles and testing it out.

I told you not to go ahead. But you wanted to rush into the seller's office and hand him your RM10k without even bargaining....for me I would just leave or maybe offer RM2k for that junk.

But since you are more 'experience' than me plus a writer for ZTH, I couldn't say more as I'm just a regular guy.

If I'm in your position, I would put down my ego and just call this off and return the money and stuffs to the sponsors. Take the losses and learn from it.

Better still, complete the car using your own money and show everyone that you made it.

read tom's explanation. judging from my honda experience, i actually applied the same theory to it. it was something i experienced in my honda, but unfortunately, there are more factors i did not consider on, so at various perspectives u are correct

the honda pulls at only 57hp, where as the nissan is expected to pull at above 300hp, the torque and power would have easily killed the chassis compared to the honda. that is one factor i forgot to look into.

its not about ego, its about continuation. and its not for the sponsors to look bad. thats why i am soldiering on with the spare chassis, but people take it wrong and judge me on my mistakes. yes i make mistakes and i learn, thats the only way to see it. thats why im continuing with option 2, henry. i cant disappoint the sponsors that has pour out sweat and blood stripping the car apart or sponsors that had anticipated great involvement in the car. thats why i had to continue, for the sake of continuity and the upholding of zerotohundred.com's rep, i have everyone to explain to