Installing grounding wire

[jebatdex]

Hi all sifus

I am going to DIY installing recently bought pivot 5 point grounding wire.

I bought it in the first place after google around where quite a lot of people installing it, especially for old cars like mine (1996 1.6 satria)

But yesterday, one mechanic i met said it is not necessary

Need some advise. Is it really necessary actually?

My logic thinking is; it is just additional negative wire which helps to discharge better. It wont disturb the engine system, rather makes the electrical system better.

Need advise on this. Is it good to go (install since i already have it), or not?

And also do's and dont's during installation.

Thanks all

 

[ZainJR]

Hi all sifus

I am going to DIY installing recently bought pivot 5 point grounding wire.

I bought it in the first place after google around where quite a lot of people installing it, especially for old cars like mine (1996 1.6 satria)

But yesterday, one mechanic i met said it is not necessary

Need some advise. Is it really necessary actually?

My logic thinking is; it is just additional negative wire which helps to discharge better. It wont disturb the engine system, rather makes the electrical system better.

Need advise on this. Is it good to go (install since i already have it), or not?

And also do's and dont's during installation.

Thanks all

used it b4 on 2004 waja (in 2010) and all i can say is so so only.. But notice the light a bit brighter be it head lights / meter panel. Add in with voltage stabilizer to monitor but since bought the HKS cap ayam end up no indicator appear..

 

[stupidcar]

Tonss and tonss and tonss of this topic is being discussed in the web. ZTH no less.

 

[Izso]

If your car is accident free and is in tip top condition metal and wire wise, then it's probably not absolutely necessary to have a grounding kit. But most old cars have a lot of wear and tear so the stock grounding usually is compromised or worn. So if you use this aftermarket grounding kit it'll help restore the ground and make everything work back to normal again (key word : Normal.. not better). Do you have dimming light issues? If yes then your stock grounding is likely worn out. Just use it la, just make sure ground to the right places and don't create a short circuit.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

My Saga BLM year 2010, at first I don't believe in making any difference but then after just installing one from battery negative terminal to the engine. The improvement is that it is not as lagging as before. Was better than not having it. After removing it since I'm selling the car, it is now back to square one. The difference can be felt for my BLM.

Anyway, like they said, for older cars it helps. For new cars, not necessary.

 

[jebatdex]

My Saga BLM year 2010, at first I don't believe in making any difference but then after just installing one from battery negative terminal to the engine. The improvement is that it is not as lagging as before. Was better than not having it. After removing it since I'm selling the car, it is now back to square one. The difference can be felt for my BLM.

Anyway, like they said, for older cars it helps. For new cars, not necessary.

Thanks to you and all

Will proceed to install on my 1996 satria which obviously very old now, the age coming to 2 decades now, and I am passionate to keep it in a good shape, and in its stock look. Thanks again!

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Thanks to you and all

Will proceed to install on my 1996 satria which obviously very old now, the age coming to 2 decades now, and I am passionate to keep it in a good shape, and in its stock look. Thanks again!

Happy DIY-ing bro. Best to get some guide or tutorial to do so. If not end up frying your ecu :rolleyes:

 

[DanzEterna]

I had starting issues with my wife's atos, had to change battery & starter but problem still persists,
ended up bought the rm25 hks purple grounding cables then problem solved till today no issues.
so for me the grounding cable does works.

 

[vr2turbo]

Grounding cables are good if car is old and wiring have build up resistance. Since DIY is cheap go ahead....

 

[jebatdex]

Yes, my car is considered old now. Plus, it also got starting issues (tik tik starter sound when turning the key, especially when the engine is hot. Maybe also the starter needs to be serviced/replaced already). Also, the alarm sometimes goes on suddenly without reason.

So I hope can see some improvement on these. No harm to give it a try since grounding cable not very expensive.

Supra_fanatics, what can cause short circuit when installing the grounding cable? touching the cable to positive terminal or what? I am not that expert in electrical, so hope to give some guides (especially dont's) when DIYing this.

 

[Izso]

There are two ways to ground. Directly to the battery or to the car body. The way I did mine was to the negative terminal on the battery.

From there I pulled a wire to my alternator, from alternator pulled to aircon compressor, from there to firewall. Then the other side was distributor / ignition coil to the negative terminal too and one final one from to the firewall.

So it's just a loop from negative to negative. And you don't have to literally connect to the alternator or distributor, just the nut holding it in is enough.

Lots of youtube how-tos on grounding so check them out too

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Yes, my car is considered old now. Plus, it also got starting issues (tik tik starter sound when turning the key, especially when the engine is hot. Maybe also the starter needs to be serviced/replaced already). Also, the alarm sometimes goes on suddenly without reason.

So I hope can see some improvement on these. No harm to give it a try since grounding cable not very expensive.

Supra_fanatics, what can cause short circuit when installing the grounding cable? touching the cable to positive terminal or what? I am not that expert in electrical, so hope to give some guides (especially dont's) when DIYing this.

I'm not sure. My friend was about to connect one last cable and touch only, the ECU fried. Not sure why. But it was an Almera. Heard not to simply ground here and there, have to ground the right area. LOL!

 

[twistedichc]

which ever route for u'r grounding u choose, don't forget the first step to it, disconnect u'r car batt terminal & sifuses, which 1 is first, -ve first @ +ve first??

 

[jebatdex]

which ever route for u'r grounding u choose, don't forget the first step to it, disconnect u'r car batt terminal & sifuses, which 1 is first, -ve first @ +ve first??

+ve first I guess. Right?

Then, connect all the grounding wire as wished, and finally connect back the +ve. Thats my opinion

 

[vr2turbo]

I'm not sure. My friend was about to connect one last cable and touch only, the ECU fried. Not sure why. But it was an Almera. Heard not to simply ground here and there, have to ground the right area. LOL!

ECU should be well protected. He either touch direct to ECU or some fuses, but then fuses are also protected. So not sure what he did...:hmmmm:
As long as you do not touch anything live (positive terminal) you are okay


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There are two ways to ground. Directly to the battery or to the car body. The way I did mine was to the negative terminal on the battery.

From there I pulled a wire to my alternator, from alternator pulled to aircon compressor, from there to firewall. Then the other side was distributor / ignition coil to the negative terminal too and one final one from to the firewall.

So it's just a loop from negative to negative. And you don't have to literally connect to the alternator or distributor, just the nut holding it in is enough.

Lots of youtube how-tos on grounding so check them out too

I did mine all direct from battery, means from battery to engine, to alternator, to firewall, to TB and to Distributor. 5 cables all leading away from battery negative terminal...

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+ve first I guess. Right?

Then, connect all the grounding wire as wished, and finally connect back the +ve. Thats my opinion

I did mine without removing the +ve terminal. With key ignition off the only thing live is the positive terminal and it won't fry anything...

 

[jebatdex]

Nice bro.. Thanks

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

ECU should be well protected. He either touch direct to ECU or some fuses, but then fuses are also protected. So not sure what he did...:hmmmm:
As long as you do not touch anything live (positive terminal) you are okay

I did mine all direct from battery, means from battery to engine, to alternator, to firewall, to TB and to Distributor. 5 cables all leading away from battery negative terminal...

I did mine without removing the +ve terminal. With key ignition off the only thing live is the positive terminal and it won't fry anything...

Means this drag race is not stock wei. All got groundings and volt stabilizer

Anyway, ya the Almera ECU fried but did not blame my friend on it. Dunno what happen actually. Just trying to attach the last cable then short circuit.

Mine no need to remove positive terminal as well. Just the negative side.

 

[twistedichc]

as 4 me I did remove both terminal, better to be safe than sorry like SF's fren almera, don't know wether got small leakage @ anything that can bring disaster to a fun d.i.y job.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

as 4 me I did remove both terminal, better to be safe than sorry like SF's fren almera, don't know wether got small leakage @ anything that can bring disaster to a fun d.i.y job.

True also, but best part for our mousedeer, we got no worries on ECU frying LOL!

 

[twistedichc]

True also, but best part for our mousedeer, we got no worries on ECU frying LOL!

yeah that's true but I'm more worried bout my ICE unit even if it's fused

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

yeah that's true but I'm more worried bout my ICE unit even if it's fused

I have no radio yet so far, radio I Have is still the ori kancil one and is already dead haha!
So nothing to worry so far, but I did my corolla without positive terminal remove, now that u reminded me, i might just remove all and do.

 

[kazukimy]

lolz, grounding cable until fried ECU? 1st time heard it

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

lolz, grounding cable until fried ECU? 1st time heard it

No idea bro, maybe Almera mia sensitive or all the while got problem. So can't blame anyone.

 

[DanzEterna]

I think one of the grounding wires touched the +ve batt terminal.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

I think one of the grounding wires touched the +ve batt terminal.

You mean the rubber part bro? Means anything have to stay clear off the positive terminal?
By the way bro, how do we actually know we fried the ECU? Any responds from the car then we know?

 

[stupidcar]

You mean the rubber part bro? Means anything have to stay clear off the positive terminal?
By the way bro, how do we actually know we fried the ECU? Any responds from the car then we know?

Probably ntg is happening if its a modern car when u turn the key on.

 

[jebatdex]

So from what discussed here, better for me to remove both terminals

 

[Izso]

You mean the rubber part bro? Means anything have to stay clear off the positive terminal?
By the way bro, how do we actually know we fried the ECU? Any responds from the car then we know?

Your Kancil is carburetor, what you worried about? You don't have an ECU. The Altis on the other hand has one so if you fry the ECU, you won't be able to start the car or when the car starts to play Britney Spears songs on full blast out of the blue - confirm blown ECU.

So from what discussed here, better for me to remove both terminals

Actually, it's not necessary. Just be very careful to avoid short circuiting the thing. Don't hook it up to positive at the battery or at the alternator or any live wire then you're safe. If you're worried just unplug but even if you do, still make sure you check your connections before connecting and make sure no short-circuit loop.

 

[DanzEterna]

You mean the rubber part bro? Means anything have to stay clear off the positive terminal?
By the way bro, how do we actually know we fried the ECU? Any responds from the car then we know?

the copper part dunno wat u call it.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Your Kancil is carburetor, what you worried about? You don't have an ECU. The Altis on the other hand has one so if you fry the ECU, you won't be able to start the car or when the car starts to play Britney Spears songs on full blast out of the blue - confirm blown ECU.

Why u usually relate to my mira Yes, worried about the Altis one. Kancil not afraid at all.
Cuz got once I was reconnecting my grounding cables cuz got loosen, then got sparks, gave me a shock and was afraid that I would get something fried. Lucky it is okay.

Just after all these grounding cables and volt stabilizer installed, my engine braking became more obvious.

the copper part dunno wat u call it.

This one?