Hammer to break windows in emergencies

[FVel]

I never asked or suggested anyone to perform any test. Originally, I was asking a simple question but got no definitive answers here (understandably so), but I later reported what I was told by a Search & Rescue member. That's all.

But then came someone, swooping down and bragging about the amount of research he did and about the importance of making sure such devices work, but yet he fails to do it himself (but suggests I do it if I value my life or my family's ... yada, yada).

Yes, like you, I too am tired but what to do when someone corrupts your good intention of sharing knowledge?

cbsteh,

You have a comprehension problem and an inability to grasp the issues of what was being discussed.

If you think I would waste my time in here merely for bragging rights of targeting you, then you are as misguided as you are self-absorbed.

I have no vested interest in focusing on you.

It's too bad if you think I burst your bubble for personal reasons but there's nothing personal here. It is only info sharing for the general forum.

Like I already told you, I AM a user of the ResQMe and so are my family members. If I have to bet my life and my family's life on it, I am not going to warrant some of its attributes on security tint without having satisfied myself how it performs on the sec tint on my car.

Since sec tint comes in all shapes, sizes and grades, there is no possible way I am in any position to test the ResQMe on every permutation of sec tint in the market.

The results (if I choose to share it) can only be representative specifically for the particular sec tint on my car and not on anyone else's car.

I cannot come out with one general sweeping statement and tell everyone that ResQMe works/does not work on ALL security tint. To do otherwise is irresponsible.

If some simple idiot happened to rely on a misrepresentation and got himself into trouble, I don't want it on my conscience.

If you do not understand and cannot accept that line of reasoning, there is nothing I can do for you.

It would seem to me that you come across as somewhat desperate to find an answer and just looking for anything to reinforce any point of view regarding the ResQME on sec tint.

The obvious thing here is no one has done any methodical tests and there are no simple hard and fast answers.

I told you this as much. You didn't like it because you did not get the answer you were seeking. You got personal and insinuated I am some braggart swooping in here to piss on your picnic.

Well, f**k you. Break your own goddamn window and do your own goddamn tests. You don't deserve to know what happened with mine.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Thread and this topic, is meant for discussion. So, disagreeing with one's thread or POV is norm or something to expect when we
start on a thread. Especially when it is a question thread that seeks people's opinion or POV.

So far I find what FVel got to say from his own POV is actually acceptable and doesn't have any offensive or personal attack
on anyone in this thread. He is just sharing his experience and his own point of view. Just that he may find what the SAR personnel
said is not really a reliable or proven source which I think is not wrong as he has the right to disagree.

Just the same as cbsteh who may find what FVel shared is not a reliable or proven source. There is no wrong in this but just a bit of
misunderstanding. You have the right to disagree as well but that doesn't mean both of you are corrupting each others' "Good Intention"
in sharing.

I too agree that we can't just rely on anyone's word on this. Even if FVel did a test on his car with the ResQMe, it did work for him
but he did state is not a confirm thing that it will work on every single security tint or for everyone.

I would say, I still not confident with the ResQMe but I appreciate that FVel shared his experience on it. Whether it works
on my car, I do not know and I don't plan to test it on my car since I can't afford the cost of it.

Even the one that I got for free, works or not, no one knows until it is tested out. The same for any statements made
without tests or proven to work. Be it you are a SAR personnel or anyone.

Anything that works, just share it. Up to individuals to believe or not. Everyone have different views.

I get what cbsteh is trying to say but then I think bro, this time u may be over-reacted on this matter. If you read back
what FVel post, I don't think he is attacking what you shared. Just merely stating his own point of view.

Not siding anyone. Cheers Guys.

Let's just drop it and continue discussion on the topic.

 

[FVel]

Could be the point of impact. If ceramic sharp point hits the glass it will break.
Just like a bigger piece of stone hit one of my friends front windscreen but bounce off and another had a smaller stone hit his windscreen and it cracked....

Not really what we observed bro. We tested on several intact tempered windows

We initially did think it was an impact with a jagged point, but when we fashioned a similar piece of jagged steel it didn't do anything other than bounce off, no matter how many times we threw the thing at the window.

Also, the steel ball bearings we used of similar dimensions were dense comparatively to that piece of ceramic. The latter was 'featherweight' by comparison. Since none of the ball bearings busted anything it could not have been density of material.

The thing is sparkplug ceramic has a very high hardness rating. Most literature seem to suggest this is the reason you can explode a piece of tempered glass via impact.

If you have an opportunity to try it yourself, it's actually quite an entertaining test.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Not really what we observed bro. We tested on several intact tempered windows

We initially did think it was an impact with a jagged point, but when we fashioned a similar piece of jagged steel it didn't do anything other than bounce off, no matter how many times we threw the thing at the window.

Also, the steel ball bearings we used of similar dimensions were dense comparatively to that piece of ceramic. The latter was 'featherweight' by comparison. Since none of the ball bearings busted anything it could not have been density of material.

The thing is sparkplug ceramic has a very high hardness rating. Most literature seem to suggest this is the reason you can explode a piece of tempered glass via impact.

If you have an opportunity to try it yourself, it's actually quite an entertaining test.

To break a window with a spark plug, must it be at which point of that spark plug to hit the
window to break? Or any part of the spark plug body that hit the window will break as well?

Didn't know such a small thing can break a window. Does it work from the inside as well?

 

[cbsteh]

Noted with thanks, guys.

 

[vr2turbo]

Not really what we observed bro. We tested on several intact tempered windows

We initially did think it was an impact with a jagged point, but when we fashioned a similar piece of jagged steel it didn't do anything other than bounce off, no matter how many times we threw the thing at the window.

Also, the steel ball bearings we used of similar dimensions were dense comparatively to that piece of ceramic. The latter was 'featherweight' by comparison. Since none of the ball bearings busted anything it could not have been density of material.

The thing is sparkplug ceramic has a very high hardness rating. Most literature seem to suggest this is the reason you can explode a piece of tempered glass via impact.

If you have an opportunity to try it yourself, it's actually quite an entertaining test.

Thanks for the info. If have the chance sure will test....

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To break a window with a spark plug, must it be at which point of that spark plug to hit the
window to break? Or any part of the spark plug body that hit the window will break as well?

Didn't know such a small thing can break a window. Does it work from the inside as well?

Bro. FVel mention the ceramic part.....

 

[Izso]

Fvel - for my own information though, what security tint are you using and whats the thickness?

 

[cbsteh]

Fvel - for my own information though, what security tint are you using and whats the thickness?

Better by PM

 

[FVel]

Fvel - for my own information though, what security tint are you using and whats the thickness?

It has been a while since I installed the stuff, so I have to check the specs.

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To break a window with a spark plug, must it be at which point of that spark plug to hit the
window to break? Or any part of the spark plug body that hit the window will break as well?

Didn't know such a small thing can break a window. Does it work from the inside as well?

Not the sparkplug. Just the white ceramic bit. Take a discarded sparkplug, break the ceramic portion into smaller pieces with a hammer. Obviously, don't overdo everything by smashing into powder. You just need to crack them into pebble size pieces.

One of these pebble size piece will smash a tempered glass side window easily when thrown.

Haven't tried it from inside the car? It should work though. If you want to test it yourself, please, please wear gloves and safety glasses. The wimdow won't just break, it will shatter into a shower of fragments.

If you are thinking of going cheap and adopting this as your emergency vehicle escape tool, PLEASE DON'T.

While it should work if you have nothing else available, it is not as reliable as a purpose-built escape tool. For example, how are you going to throw the thing if your cabin in filling up with water in a submergence accident and you need to get out in a hurry. In our tests, we pelted the ceramic with vigour and in most cases things shatter on the first throw. There are some instances when the window did not break on the first impact....say when someone didn't ding the window hard enough. This can be imagined if someone is naturally lembek or too injured to muster strength. If that thing bounces off and lands somewhere else, do you have time to go fishing around the floorboard trying to find and retrieve that tiny piece of ceramic ?

 

[Izso]

sparkplug thrown on the outside directly on the glass - I get it. But thrown from the inside where the tint is, would it still shatter or just bounce right off?

 

[vr2turbo]

sparkplug thrown on the outside directly on the glass - I get it. But thrown from the inside where the tint is, would it still shatter or just bounce right off?

Yah! now will hit tint first and not glass. Anyway, from inside throw also cannot have much force. Too cramp inside to be able to throw forcefully.....

 

[FVel]

sparkplug thrown on the outside directly on the glass - I get it. But thrown from the inside where the tint is, would it still shatter or just bounce right off?

Those sparkplug tests were on UN-tinted tempered glass.