DIY the "probably the only real FUEL SAVER"

[donCityZ]

it wont rust...not any sooner than ur stock condition..

i say stop worrying, n start DIYing.

here is the link of those ppl in US that already done it and tested it for more than 1 yr.

Hydrogen Booster

I made my first protoype based on these plans.

 

[burnner]

good man...for carb also can right?>

 

[icecube]

i think it need more voltage (amp and current) to produce enough bubble to get noticeable FC improvement..... that what been stopping most ppl from diy... but if really 12v is enough then why not? :D all the best bro...

 

[donCityZ]

its not only the voltage, bro.

i've found designs in the net that use only 3V. but they have lots of plates (ie big surface area)

 

[fritz]

This DIY gadget can be found in Malaysia too. If you are lazy to DIY, you can buy it at around RM 1,800 - RM2,000. I have friend selling it and he brought it in from Australia.

The theory is simple, it generates Oxyhydrogen from "hydrogen" generator. One small unit usually will draw about 20-30 amps from your battery depends on how much Oxyhydrogen you wan to be generated. The amps drawn from the battery is determined by the baking soda that was mixed into the water. The Oxyhydrogen will be injected into your intake, which means u need to drill a small hole there. The oxyhydrogen will help the engine to burn more efficiently and hence, using same fuel but travel longer distance.

We have tested on a diesel engine and we have 25-30% savings claimed. Some tuning on the fuel supply was done to reduce the power of the engine to get more mileage.

One MAJOR problem with this generator was, the Oxyhydrogen is in vapour form and it will corrode your engine components. We must add a water trapper unit along the piping to avoid any water/liquid to flow into the valve or cylinder.

Another problem is, if you have an o2 sensor located at the exhaust manifold, then its sorry to say that you wont be able to use it unless u do some tuning on the ECU. Alot of these sellers claimed that the o2 sensor cause any problem after installing the unit, but believe me, we tested and it wont have any petrol savings or maybe worst FC.

Anyone interested to get one unit, i might be able to get it for you. If you wan to DIY it, it wont be easy.

I can answer any questions if you all do have, as I have came across with this gadget and tested it. To clarify this, Im NOT the seller of this product. I'm the customer...to share my experience.

 

[fritz]

doncityz: I don't know what is the bubbler you mentioned. But u need a water trapper to dry the vapur gas before injecting into the intake manifold. It 100% wont rust, but i will corrode as the Oxyhydrogen gas will have chemical reaction with the metal components in your engine.
If you really want to DIY the generator, I can 100% support you with watever knowledge I have.

icecube: yes, the amp that was needed is the main concern! Coz if we draw too much amp from the battery, when idling, your battery will be drained! But there is a way to avoid this to happen as we have an idea to solve this issue.

 

[SentraVIP]

A bigger alternator perhaps?

 

[donCityZ]

fritz.. nice of u to drop by and share ur thoughts and experience!

but u mentioned u used baking soda? my prototype is not using any catalyst.. just plain distilled water (Spritzer brand).. i think if u add catalyst (baking soda/vinegar/or other acid/alkali), it will speed up hydroxene generation.. but, wont it make your water polluted with salts? thats y i use only distilled water.

about u saying the corrosion of engine parts, did you witness it yourself or tested yourself or someone else said it to you? i don't think it will corrode the engine.. since the surface of engine parts is well protected with lubricant oil.
minor H2O vapour is ok i guess.. since in everyday lives, there are already H2O vapour in the air.. esp more is contained in air after rain etc.. but if u witness the corrosion of engine parts by yourself, how long does it take to corrode it? its weird since new car's engine block is made of alloy steel.. put acid on it, yea it corrodes, but water? i doubt it very much... but do share ur knowledge about this.. for example the type of engine u testing etc.

about the tuning ECU, i think is maybe necessary too.

 

[FortisCuore]

High fuel consumption FTW :-D.I like this idea but I am sorry,I am boosted and I got the ecu and all dat,cant bother.At the end of the day I still gonna have to buy gas,and I got a heavy foot :-p. Keep up the good work tho ppl

 

[donCityZ]

haha... bro im also heavy footed, but my car still na..

but then, if current fuel price dont bother u, boost away then!! hehe.......

 

[donCityZ]

fortiscuore, im also curious about turbocharged/supercharged car FC, what is cc of ur car and how many bar are u boosting? and under these condition, how much is your FC?

cheers..

 

[fritz]

doncityz: I would like to know what flow rate do you expect the prototype you are doing if you don't use catalyst? I guess its hard to generate enough oxyhydrogen if you don't add catalyst. Our tested unit with catalyst, drawing 30amps will only have a very very very low flow rate which is 50L/hour or less if i was not mistaken. Have to check back the report.
Basically, with or without catalyst, the unit will also generate oxyhydrogen. It won't pollute the water.

As for the corrosion, I'm the one to witness and clean up the whole intake manifold. Just to make this clear, the gas that are generated will be Oxyhydrogen (Brown gas) and not pure water vapor. I'm lucky to found out this problem early. I have tested it for 4000KM when i realize this problem. It corroded part of my intake manifold and built up composites on the manifold. If I discovered this problem abit later, I guess it will corrode the engine valves.
But don't worry about this issue anymore as you can get the water trapper or dryer to get rid of this problem. If you need this, I can tell u wat brand we are using.

I want to ask, your prototype unit is planning to draw how many amps out from the battery?

 

[donCityZ]

damn. seems this project is more difficult than i thought. haha.
im bailing out then. dont want to risk my intake manifold to rust or even the valves.

looks like future of malaysians will continue to suffer as fuel prices continue to hike.

 

[donCityZ]

doncityz: I would like to know what flow rate do you expect the prototype you are doing if you don't use catalyst? I guess its hard to generate enough oxyhydrogen if you don't add catalyst. Our tested unit with catalyst, drawing 30amps will only have a very very very low flow rate which is 50L/hour or less if i was not mistaken. Have to check back the report.
Basically, with or without catalyst, the unit will also generate oxyhydrogen. It won't pollute the water.

As for the corrosion, I'm the one to witness and clean up the whole intake manifold. Just to make this clear, the gas that are generated will be Oxyhydrogen (Brown gas) and not pure water vapor. I'm lucky to found out this problem early. I have tested it for 4000KM when i realize this problem. It corroded part of my intake manifold and built up composites on the manifold. If I discovered this problem abit later, I guess it will corrode the engine valves.
But don't worry about this issue anymore as you can get the water trapper or dryer to get rid of this problem. If you need this, I can tell u wat brand we are using.

I want to ask, your prototype unit is planning to draw how many amps out from the battery?

eh one more thing im confused here.. u said that the corrosion is caused by the Brown gas or the water vapour?

 

[CarroTT]

doncity, u so smart lar. I tink u shud just research on electric engines terus lar.

 

[fritz]

doncityz: U wont have the risk of corroding ur engine components if u add a water trapper/dryer. This was tested and proven.
There r NO water vapor. Only brown gas will be generated, and the brown gas will corrode the components IF we did not add a water trapper. If we added the water trapper, the brown gas is 100% dry and it wont corrode the engine components. The reason y the brown gas will corrode the metals because the generated brown gas is not 100% dry.

Anyway, my opinion is, convert to CNG dual fuel system is always the best choice to save fuel. The oxyhydrogen generator unit will only save around 10% of fuel unles you plug in a bigger one or plug in a big one to gain max. 25% savings with proper tuning.
But performance wise, if inject oxyhydrogen, you will gain higher torque.

 

[FortisCuore]

fortiscuore, im also curious about turbocharged/supercharged car FC, what is cc of ur car and how many bar are u boosting? and under these condition, how much is your FC?

cheers..

Well I have wat y'all in malaysia know as the L200,my 660CC Turbo charged engine.IF I do a continuous run on boost my fuell consumption will b between the high 11- low 12km per litre.If I do some easy driving,on and off boost my fuel consumption will me mid 13km/l.The FC is good as it has stayed within the FC specs from factory.Currently on 12psi of boost(yes under 1 bar,soon reach there).
Fuel prices here in Jamaica are high,but managable,and for my lil car in my lil country I dont have to worry much...yet[I dont have no wife or children or bills to pay ...yet] At the end of the day I still have to buy gas,life's short,if u wanna live LIVE RED

 

[donCityZ]

fritz... thx for clearing that up. but the beauty of this fuel saver is that it really works... 10% is 10%. not like those magnet say "UP TO" 30% savings.. when actually it does nothing.. or many 0.1% saving haha..

the only problem is... making it. fritz, how come nobody in Malaysia want to commercialize this thing? (maybe govt not allowed?) im sure many ppl will buy if the price is right. i dont think it will be THAT expensive... except maybe the water trapper.. what does it made of this water trapper?

btw Carrot.. im not smart or anything.. just came across this thing when surfing the net.. and thought of diy it.. if im smart, im already a millionaire sitting in my mansion and own 7 ferraris. hehe.

 

[fritz]

doncityZ: A company from Australia is selling this gadget as i told u at the beginning. They are selling the generator at a very high price which is Rm1,800. Its nearly the price of NGV conversion. But this gadget really does save fuel and not like those magnetic or watsoever scam. I cant really remember what material was the water trapper made of. It is like a small glass bottle, having some honyecombed material inside the glass bottle. The price for this water trapper is way cheaper than the oxyhydrogen generator unit.
So, if you would like to spend ur time on this project, it would be worth it. Even you might be able to produce and sell the unit at a much more lower price compare to wat it was selling in the market. I can be your assitant if you dont mind.

 

[donCityZ]

u become my assistant? haha.. more like the other way round la bro.
i dont hv capital to start this project too.. ok.. maybe i try to DIY the water trapper first...