Toyo T1R

[arrowhead]

its their sales tactic....they wan u to buy on the spot....aiya if u come the next day he will still give u same price.....

called kedai papan but no answer, not yet open kot...:hmmmm:

ya so my response was, u keep ur tire la .. lol

 

[mADmAN]

has anyone tried T1R on track? any good?

 

[vr2turbo]

Ya, it's expensive. Better to get it at klang valley rather than here in Ipoh. Somemore in Ipoh there's only one Toyo dealer in town.. S**t.. Even i already bought it last february, i still not yet put on my car. Still using my current Goodyear F1 Eagle kaw-kaw. Thread still 80% only thing tyres already more than 6 years old..

Ipoh tyre business must be making a lot of $$$.....

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has anyone tried T1R on track? any good?

I am not a track kaki, but base on my usage on daily basis, I find the sidewall too soft. Grip in the wet also not too good. Only aquaplaning resistance is not bad...

 

[alwhitesat]

T1R is phasing out....now replace by T1 Sport.
Sidewall now hard, assymetric tread pattern, donut shape rather than straight sidewall pattern....according to a friend who's currently using said performs better than R1R in dry, especially at corners. In wet, as good as T1R.

He bought 215/45 ZR17 at RM 475 each

 

[vr2turbo]

Now all coming out with Sports....
Being asymmetric, aquaplaning resistance may not be as good.
Seems they are following GY, as they had the F1 GS-D3 then asymmetric......

 

[alwhitesat]

Now all coming out with Sports....
Being asymmetric, aquaplaning resistance may not be as good.
Seems they are following GY, as they had the F1 GS-D3 then asymmetric......

by thoery, yes, but u must get first hand experience to determine if it performs better

 

[vr2turbo]

by thoery, yes, but u must get first hand experience to determine if it performs better

I have tried both F1 GS-D3 and Asymmetric. GS-D3 wins hand down in the wet, especially aquaplaning resistance. Asy. really good in cornering and dry......I think that proves it already
If you read Dunlop catalogue on the Sports Maxx, same thing is said about the directional Maxx and the Sport Maxx Asy. TT model.
F1 Asymmetric 2 now have 4 large grooves to Asy.1, 3 large plus 1 small......

 

[rydell]

by thoery, yes, but u must get first hand experience to determine if it performs better

That is very true my brother! I never judge a tyre based on what is written on the sidewall nor the tread pattern. From my experience, for example, a toyo R1R has treadwear of 140, but it is not comparable to Azenis RT615 which has treadwear sets at 200, in terms of grip. My previous ride has experienced both rubbers. Though the RT615 has larger treadwear and tread pattern is asymmetric, I feel it drives much-much better than the toyo, in both world....it all comes down to the driver to feel it rather than just looking at them without knowing how it performs......and the federal rs-r is a below par performance tyre, they are only good for the first few laps at sepang, i could feel after lap 4 or 5, it tends to loose grip, feels harsher and had to brake much earlier especially at turn 2 and 3, i nearly skidded if i brake later like in my earlier laps. just sharing my experience only...:)

It's all down to how balance your ride is and how experience is the driver....just like people talking cock, telling how good their car handles, but did'nt ever realized that they didnt even have arb...and the car only installed with torsion beam rather than multilink suspension!

Just my two sen....dont get mad harrrr:) :)

 

[vr2turbo]

Oh! you are referring to the UTQG ratings. Yes, difference manufacturer ratings can differ when in use. Car setup, weight, driving style, road condition, weather and so on.
What we were discussing earlier was the handling between directional and asymmetric pattern...

 

[alwhitesat]

Oh! you are referring to the UTQG ratings. Yes, difference manufacturer ratings can differ when in use. Car setup, weight, driving style, road condition, weather and so on.
What we were discussing earlier was the handling between directional and asymmetric pattern...

if that is true that u claim the asymmetric tread pattern handles better in dry, specifically cornering, then why most of these performance tyres are still directional pattern....r1r, z1*, ad08, r888, re11s and so on....and care to explain of all tyres that i had used/driven, the nitto neogen (assymmetric pattern) is the best i ever cruised in wet weather....

 

[vr2turbo]

Bro., you have to compare an apple to an apple. Means like F1 GS-D3 to F1 Asy.
Dunlop Sport Maxx to Sport Maxx TT, Even maybe Hankook V12Evo to S1Evo.
The tyres you have mention are all extreme tyres made for the tracks. Moreover BS RE-11 are asymmetric and not directional taking over from RE-010R. Michelin Pilot Sports Club are also asymmetric pattern. Asymmetric pattern can also be good in aquaplaning resistance if their straight line grooves are large like Nexen N8000, but the larger the grooves the weaker the dry grip (less rubber contact). Full slicks are the best for dry weather, but once it rain or have water they are gone. Damp road is where semi slicks comes in or for road use the intermediate. And the list goes on...

Have you tried a Nitto directional pattern tyre before?

 

[alwhitesat]

never did such comparison......not really a fan of specific brand, just that i was telling u my experience......i know re11 is assymmetric pattern, it was re11s, i know my stuff bro.....
havent tried any other nitto yet!

yup, less groove means better contact patch....wider tyre doesnt account to better contact!

 

[vr2turbo]

never did such comparison......not really a fan of specific brand, just that i was telling u my experience......i know re11 is assymmetric pattern, it was re11s, i know my stuff bro.....
havent tried any other nitto yet!

Sorry, I thought it was RE-11 in plural.
Basically, directional pattern have less shoulder pattern then asymmetric and that is where they loose out in the corner. But looking at extreme tyre pattern eg. R888, RE-11S and even Yoko A048, they are consider semi slicks. Even though directional they have very little pattern only and a lot of shoulder pattern and their sidewall are build super stiff.....
Yoko A050 similar to AD-08 pattern style......

 

[YeEvil]

Sorry, I thought it was RE-11 in plural.
Basically, directional pattern have less shoulder pattern then asymmetric and that is where they loose out in the corner. But looking at extreme tyre pattern eg. R888, RE-11S and even Yoko A048, they are consider semi slicks. Even though directional they have very little pattern only and a lot of shoulder pattern and their sidewall are build super stiff.....
Yoko A050 similar to AD-08 pattern style......

vr2turbo: don't quite understand what do you mean by "less shoulder pattern" here...do you mean less shoulder pattern = the shoulder blocks are bigger?

 

[vr2turbo]

vr2turbo: don't quite understand what do you mean by "less shoulder pattern" here...do you mean less shoulder pattern = the shoulder blocks are bigger?

Sorry to confuse you.
What I was trying to say about extreme tyres directional pattern is they have less shoulder grooves (in that sense pattern) means more block or rubber, so they can still corner well.

But in daily used tyres, Max or UHP the directional pattern tyres have less shoulder block/rubber compared against the asymmetric pattern tyres.

Hope you understand what I am trying to say....

 

[YeEvil]

yup..now i know what you're saying.. :D

 

[vr2turbo]

yup..now i know what you're saying.. :D

Okay, Noted.....

 

[zane_al]

Just got a pair 225/45/16 at Jooi Seng for rn550 each...

 

[DanzEterna]

wat year bro? for your FCT+ is it?

 

[vr2turbo]

Just got a pair 225/45/16 at Jooi Seng for rn550 each...

Is the T1-R now that expensive or due to odd size. When I was using (some time back) 215/45/R17 only cost RM380 only.....