Recommendation: Turbocharger for 4B11 N.A engine

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Butt itchy, after few weeks honing in my Lancer with M/T transmission, everything feels good and i am going to take my sweet time to gather turbocharging parts. First, i would need to select turbocharger which i am quite clueless on this. My 4B11 NA engine compression is well ok, above 120 PSI in all cylinders. Compression ratio rated at 10:0:1, will decrease it with thicker head gasket. Below are the list of turbos that i can gather within my reach:

1.) OEM Ralliart TDO4HL-14T
2.) Borg Warner KKK03 Turbo (from a Audi A4 1.8T)
3.) Garret AR60 M24 N-1 (should be from a SR20DET or RB25DET NEO)
4.) Volvo K24 Turbo (from a Volvo S60 MK I 2.3 Turbo)
5.) TD05HR-16G (from an Evo 8 GSR)

First off i am building the turbo kit with low to moderate budget. Many would suggest me to get a set of full Ralliart art turbo kit, which i am not willing to pay for it because thanks to some jackasses, the prices for these kits are ridiculously high now.

Before i start with my manifold, i would need a turbo first. Kindly share your views and perhaps suggest the right turbo. Manifold will be hand made by a secret sifu.
 
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ralliart turbokit~ noneed to scratch head...
I already mentioned i don't want to as lots of jokers profiteering from this kit. I rather scratch my head and build one myself with the spec i want, and control the cost on my own.
 

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Dear All,

Butt itchy, after few weeks honing in my Lancer with M/T transmission, everything feels good and i am going to take my sweet time to gather turbocharging parts. First, i would need to select turbocharger which i am quite clueless on this. My 4B11 NA engine compression is well ok, above 120 PSI in all cylinders. Compression ratio rated at 10:0:, will decrease it with thicker head gasket. Below are the list of turbos that i can gather within my reach:

1.) OEM Ralliart TDO4HL-14T
2.) Borg Warner KKK03 Turbo (from a Audi A4 1.8T)
3.) Garret AR60 M24 N-1 (should be from a SR20DET or RB25DET NEO)
4.) Volvo K24 Turbo (from a Volvo S60 MK I 2.3 Turbo)
5.) TD05HR-16G (from an Evo 8 GSR)

First off i am building the turbo kit with low to moderate budget. Many would suggest me to get a set of full Ralliart art turbo kit, which i am not willing to pay for it because thanks to some jackasses, the prices for these kits are ridiculously high now.

Before i start with my manifold, i would need a turbo first. Kindly share your views and perhaps suggest the right turbo. Manifold will be hand made by a secret sifu.
Are these the only turbos you looking at?

Personally I don't know all the turbos here but iirc the #2 and #4 are tiny turbos.

"I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll... run out of breath"

#5 iirc is not ball bearing and potentially will need servicing before installation.

Tbh I'd just buy whichever suites the budget and is in the best condition. All 5 of these turbos performance wise is pretty similar.
 

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Why not get half cut turbo and manifold ex Evo 10? That should be plug and play so saves cost in custom piping. Evo 10 turbo is same size as Evo 9 if not mistaken so would give pretty good power already.
 

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Are these the only turbos you looking at?

Personally I don't know all the turbos here but iirc the #2 and #4 are tiny turbos.

"I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll... run out of breath"

#5 iirc is not ball bearing and potentially will need servicing before installation.

Tbh I'd just buy whichever suites the budget and is in the best condition. All 5 of these turbos performance wise is pretty similar.
Hi, not exactly, i am still looking into other turbos chopped from other cars. Particularly i am very interested with the Garret AR50 M24 N-1, which said to be quite responsive with satisfactory power gain. I am forecasting about 80hp on this little snail.
 
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Why not get half cut turbo and manifold ex Evo 10? That should be plug and play so saves cost in custom piping. Evo 10 turbo is same size as Evo 9 if not mistaken so would give pretty good power already.
The price for said Evo X kit is even more ridiculous to Ralliart. Fortunately i am able to get my hands on a Evo X Intake Manifold cheap though.
 

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Hi, not exactly, i am still looking into other turbos chopped from other cars. Particularly i am very interested with the Garret AR50 M24 N-1, which said to be quite responsive if satisfactory power gain. I am forecasting about 80hp on this little snail.
What's your target power?
 

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The price for said Evo X kit is even more ridiculous to Ralliart. Fortunately i am able to get my hands on a Evo X Intake Manifold cheap though.
Really? Never pay attention evo 10 stuff but the 9 turbo is usually under 2k complete with manifold so I thought the 10 should be similar price range.
 

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Really? Never pay attention evo 10 stuff but the 9 turbo is usually under 2k complete with manifold so I thought the 10 should be similar price range.
Freaking Evo X complete kit at 8K now, and ppl won't sell loose as its too good to profiteer from.
 

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wow I see you like living dangerously. hahahaha
I will dial down once it hits that figure, just for the sheer pleasure. Plenty of NA Lancers running 240 ATW and the stock engine is still alive and well !
 

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Freaking Evo X complete kit at 8K now, and ppl won't sell loose as its too good to profiteer from.
That's ridiculous! Can buy a new turbo for that price.

Target 250ps at the crank, about 220 ATW. Won't go any higher as clutch won't hold.
Ok not too high, no need big turbo. FWD cannot take too much power anyway.

I will dial down once it hits that figure, just for the sheer pleasure. Plenty of NA Lancers running 240 ATW and the stock engine is still alive and well !
Sure or not 2.0 NA can reach that high??? Even 240 at the crank is already hard to believe.
 

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Sure or not 2.0 NA can reach that high??? Even 240 at the crank is already hard to believe.
Can la.

A lot of NA work needed but it's possible with a 2.0 base. Look at the infamous K20.
 

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Can la.

A lot of NA work needed but it's possible with a 2.0 base. Look at the infamous K20.
240whp means around 280-290 at the crank, or over 140hp/ltr! If race engines sure but street K20 can really reach that high meh or just exaggerated dyno numbers?

Some more this is Mitsubishi 4B11, not known for high rev NA power like K20.
 

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That's ridiculous! Can buy a new turbo for that price.


Ok not too high, no need big turbo. FWD cannot take too much power anyway.


Sure or not 2.0 NA can reach that high??? Even 240 at the crank is already hard to believe.
Told you already that some faggots are profiteering from this, though alot lambs willing to get slaughtered because they want to save trouble for gathering parts.

Yes plenty 2.0 NA boosted with 240 ATW, but it's not usable as it can only go straight and slow shifting, the clutch cannot take the heat
 

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240whp means around 280-290 at the crank, or over 140hp/ltr! If race engines sure but street K20 can really reach that high meh or just exaggerated dyno numbers?

Some more this is Mitsubishi 4B11, not known for high rev NA power like K20.
4B11 high compression mod can only get close to 170whp, max rev 7.5k, as far as i'd seen. It's really all noise and not much of omph, may be i being pampered by the 260whp 1JZ so i barely feel anything on 170whp NA. LOL
 

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4B11 high compression mod can only get close to 170whp, max rev 7.5k, as far as i'd seen. It's really all noise and not much of omph, may be i being pampered by the 260whp 1JZ so i barely feel anything on 170whp NA. LOL
No push into the seat feeling......hhahahhahaha
 

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Told you already that some faggots are profiteering from this, though alot lambs willing to get slaughtered because they want to save trouble for gathering parts.

Yes plenty 2.0 NA boosted with 240 ATW, but it's not usable as it can only go straight and slow shifting, the clutch cannot take the heat
4B11 high compression mod can only get close to 170whp, max rev 7.5k, as far as i'd seen. It's really all noise and not much of omph, may be i being pampered by the 260whp 1JZ so i barely feel anything on 170whp NA. LOL
Oh you meant turboed 2.0 4b11 NA like what you're planning. Yeah then sure can.

170whp is just normal, like my Mark X only.
 

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Yeah lol ... once you go turbo you very hard to go back.
Not true... I have been exposed to 1JZ RWD, 4G63T AWD, RB26 AWD... and I'm still in love with B18c, K20 and the 6 flat plane porsche 3.4L NA... my god these engines are awesome. Not necessarily the fastest but the way it runs is just intoxicating.
240whp means around 280-290 at the crank, or over 140hp/ltr! If race engines sure but street K20 can really reach that high meh or just exaggerated dyno numbers?

Some more this is Mitsubishi 4B11, not known for high rev NA power like K20.
250WHP or 300 crank has been done to K20's la. But to be fair it's most of the time no more 2.0.

 

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Oh you meant turboed 2.0 4b11 NA like what you're planning. Yeah then sure can.

170whp is just normal, like my Mark X only.
Oh you thought i wanted to N/A mod the 4B11 to 240 ATW ? I don't think its economically possible and i personally think the car would not be street-able. I just bought a cast iron turbo manifold with T2 flange, build looks very sturdy, so any T2 type turbocharger that i could get ? So far my info is T2 turbocharger may refer to Garrett GT25 o GT28 turbos.
 
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Not true... I have been exposed to 1JZ RWD, 4G63T AWD, RB26 AWD... and I'm still in love with B18c, K20 and the 6 flat plane porsche 3.4L NA... my god these engines are awesome. Not necessarily the fastest but the way it runs is just intoxicating.

250WHP or 300 crank has been done to K20's la. But to be fair it's most of the time no more 2.0.

If stroked/bored to 2.4 then still much more feasible cuz 125hp/ltr which is similar to stock F20C in S2000 but if stay 2.0 I think it's too far fetched for street cars.
 

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Hi all,

I picked the Garrett AR60 M24N-1, unplugged from a RB25DET because it has the best condition and quite rust free. The shaft and fin looks pretty intact. I think this turbo is a Garret T28 and capable of max boost 1.2 bar. For my settings, i will run at 0.6 bar to see if any engine trouble. Car will be tuned using RON95 as this is daily driver. I am targeting 200 whp for daily driven. Since i am on budget, i am planning to use KKT Compact 32 for the management < alot BOT owners run on this ECU. What do you guys think ?
 

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Hi all,

I picked the Garrett AR60 M24N-1, unplugged from a RB25DET because it has the best condition and quite rust free. The shaft and fin looks pretty intact. I think this turbo is a Garret T28 and capable of max boost 1.2 bar. For my settings, i will run at 0.6 bar to see if any engine trouble. Car will be tuned using RON95 as this is daily driver. I am targeting 200 whp for daily driven. Since i am on budget, i am planning to use KKT Compact 32 for the management < alot BOT owners run on this ECU. What do you guys think ?
Aiya... learn from my mistakes la. Don't go for unknown, unsupported, unverified ecus that no one has heard of or tuned before. I made that mistake with Spitronics and haven't stopped regretting.

If you have "a lot" of owners who run this ECU without problem i hope you are good friends with these owners because I do not agree with this ECU. Incidentally why not spend this money to get your standalone ECU for the BMW-1JZ. that would have a WAY bigger impact than your turbo 4B11. Hell, the BMW gonna be faster too and a nicer drive I'll bet.
 

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Aiya... learn from my mistakes la. Don't go for unknown, unsupported, unverified ecus that no one has heard of or tuned before. I made that mistake with Spitronics and haven't stopped regretting.

If you have "a lot" of owners who run this ECU without problem i hope you are good friends with these owners because I do not agree with this ECU. Incidentally why not spend this money to get your standalone ECU for the BMW-1JZ. that would have a WAY bigger impact than your turbo 4B11. Hell, the BMW gonna be faster too and a nicer drive I'll bet.
It's from Thailand, got one Kelisa YRV turbo with 1 bar boost using this ECU, running on automatic gearbox, personally i seen it. Looks pretty stable if you ask me.

BMW is a different category, its made for leisure driving so with 260 whp, it's plenty good enough. Turbo 4B11 on the other hand, its my daily not-boring ride.
 

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It's from Thailand, got one Kelisa YRV turbo with 1 bar boost using this ECU, running on automatic gearbox, personally i seen it. Looks pretty stable if you ask me.

BMW is a different category, its made for leisure driving so with 260 whp, it's plenty good enough. Turbo 4B11 on the other hand, its my daily not-boring ride.
It's like I said - unsupported, unknown, unverified.

If you have a tuner who can tune the KKT inside out then go ahead. However be warned every tuner will say they can..... until they can't. Which was exactly what happened with my Spitronics. 3 tuners and none could even get it done right, when I said "right" i mean running condition, not even being OCD here. All of their tunes were half assed in some way or another.

And then there was the 60 deg ignition timing fiasco from the 1st tuner wtf.
 
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First time I heard this ECU.
GT28 should be suitable for your target output but not sure if 0.6 bar is enough to reach that, seems very low boost.
 

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It's like I said - unsupported, unknown, unverified.

If you have a tuner who can tune the KKT inside out then go ahead. However be warned every tuner will say they can..... until they can't. Which was exactly what happened with my Spitronics. 3 tuners and none could even get it done right, when I said "right" i mean running condition, not even being OCD here. All of their tunes were half assed in some way or another.

And then there was the 60 deg ignition timing fiasco from the 1st tuner wtf.
I heard you. I am also got option for more common Emanage Ultimate, my budget is within RM3K so not able to reach standalone ECU. Will do more research on KKT, few have suggested this to me and recent years they gained popularity in some grass roots motorsports.
 

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First time I heard this ECU.
GT28 should be suitable for your target output but not sure if 0.6 bar is enough to reach that, seems very low boost.
Yeah target HP is one thing, another thing is the feel when its on the road afterwards, if the feel is good, slight lower HP i wouldn't mind.
 

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is the ecu onsale in Mudah for 1499?
 

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I heard you. I am also got option for more common Emanage Ultimate, my budget is within RM3K so not able to reach standalone ECU. Will do more research on KKT, few have suggested this to me and recent years they gained popularity in some grass roots motorsports.
If you're gonna go standalone with 3k, why not look at Links Atom used? A used unit could be about 1k+ then tuning from a tuner might take up the rest of your budget.
 

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If you're gonna go standalone with 3k, why not look at Links Atom used? A used unit could be about 1k+ then tuning from a tuner might take up the rest of your budget.
I tried looking for it, but couldn't find any for now. I know this ECU is very capable too but new one is headache, cost almost the same as my BOT kit :smokin:, well if anyone got any lobang to one unit let me know. Otherwise, i might try another route which is use Evo X ECU.
 

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too bad JL too busy to do ecu custom mapping. else you might get his help on this. maybe you can get him through kakidiy workshop. just saw he posted his memories on his evox again
 
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too bad JL too busy to do ecu custom mapping. else you might get his help on this. maybe you can get him through kakidiy workshop. just saw he posted his memories on his evox again
Is kakidiy workshop his legit business name? After some chats with guys that BOT their rides (Iriz, Waja, Myvi), apparently for money spent, Link G4+ Atom is one of the best solutions out there. The downside is i need to purchase their additional looms and 3 Bar Map sensor seperately.
 

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Is kakidiy workshop his legit business name? After some chats with guys that BOT their rides (Iriz, Waja, Myvi), apparently for money spent, Link G4+ Atom is one of the best solutions out there. The downside is i need to purchase their additional looms and 3 Bar Map sensor seperately.
Ya so far when I compare for my Evo, Link G4+ is the best value for money. Got all the necessary capabilities yet seems the most affordable too, plus at least got more tuners who are more familiar with Link. Mine I got the Link G4+ plugin ECU for Evo 9 which already comes with 4 bar map sensor.
 

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Looks like Atom is the most performing ECU out there for any entry level ECU. I will buy one and keep first until i am ready all parts to BOT.
 

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Looks like Atom is the most performing ECU out there for any entry level ECU. I will buy one and keep first until i am ready all parts to BOT.
MaxxECU the entry level one IIRC is cheaper than the Atom and the Atom has stopped production. If it wasn't the MaxxECU one then it was probably the ECUMasters entry level model (forgot the name) that is cheapest in the market.