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Do you know if it is possible to safely change or modify our brake lights to flash/blink whenever we press our brakes? I am not talking about buying an add-on accessory (like a fourth brake light) but to modify our existing brake lights to flash on-and-off whenever we hit the brakes.
 

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Must have electronic know - how. once I saw a diy electronic kit at jalan pasar (can't remember the shop :hmmmm: since I was accompanying a friend) that does what you said.

once completed, wire it to your brake lights

the end result supposed to be light the link below ( see the "Blinking Smart Stop Delay Version" section)
The Home Of Flashing Brake Lights
 

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oh god...WHY????????
 

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I am sorry, i know one will say its their own preferences, or, 'its my car lah! i can do watever f*ck i want with my car', some sort like that, but anyhow, I feel the need of pointing out my views :p Im an early traveller to work as early as 6:00 am, and can consider as pitch black. Been using PLUS highway. Honestly to say, some users are ignorance enough with their bright HIDs, now LEDs, blue-ish LED, blue-ish HIDs, if the day already bright, sincerely i dont mind at all, though it is still an annoyance, but still bearable. But if its during a pitch black environment, God knows how intimidating it can be. You see all the bright lights from rear view, or side mirrors, it is unpleasant! It causes blindness for a few seconds, really! That, im grateful that my rear view and side mirror will adjust itself and turns black it it were flashed, but what about cars without it?

So please, now a blinking brake lights??? I dont know what are you guys been thinking. Seriously for looks, yes it may look good, no doubt, but please, its not only you been using the road and there come the word 'consideration'.

And yes, this meant for a hard feeling if it strikes you.
 

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Yes do not modify your brake lights! It's actually a violation as it's intrusive to others and can be dangerous. Car lights have been made according to standards and regulations based on safety research. Don't treat the public roads as your playground or disco club.
 

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My post about flashing brake lights was for safety reasons as to catch people's attention more quickly that I have braked. Numerous times in the past, I have been knocked from behind as many as once to twice a year. Thankfully, all accidents have been in slow speeds, so no injuries or serious damage to anyone's car.

I am a careful driver and all the accidents I mentioned isn't because I am speeding and brake suddenly. My last accident, for instance, was just before CNY this year. My car was already at a *complete* stop for 2-3 seconds when a bike rear ended me.

My suggestion wasn't to have disco lights as brake lights for self-gratifying purpose. I brake, the brake lights flash. I believe this catches people's attention more quickly so they won't rear end me as frequently as before.

Of course, I could add on another flashing brake light accessory I see some car owners have done, but I value the look of my car and I don't want an ugly accessory, if possible.
 

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Hmm don't you ever wonder researchers would think thousands steps ahead if they find it relevant for daily use? Okay2 sorry whatever suits you mister. I rest my case. :p
 

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Hmm don't you ever wonder researchers would think thousands steps ahead if they find it relevant for daily use? Okay2 sorry whatever suits you mister. I rest my case. :p
Please remember that research is always moving onward, never static. This includes research in cars. Car safety have improved so much in a short time due to research: safety glass (e.g., laminated windshield instead of tempered windshield glass), collapsible steering columns, and air bags.

Of course, I am not so presumptuous to think that I am better than car experts or I am going to set a trend in car safety design, but I do have a brain and I can think for myself. I am just entertaining an idea to make my own driving safer for myself and others by having flashing brake lights.

Here I put up a link for you to at least consider instead of being so close-minded (or underestimating your own intelligence) to brush off unusual ideas:

Blinking Smart Stop - Flashing Brake Light

Another useful link has already been posted earlier by someone else.
 

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I believe this catches people's attention more quickly so they won't rear end me as frequently as before...
How do you come to such conclusion? Have you done any research/study on it that you 'believe' it would catches people attention and make it safer for you and everyone, and actually not startles or confuses, and annoy/disturb people instead? Or is that just your assumption?

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Here I put up a link for you to at least consider instead of being so close-minded (or underestimating your own intelligence) to brush off unusual ideas:

Blinking Smart Stop - Flashing Brake Light

Another useful link has already been posted earlier by someone else.
Those links are posted by the people who try to make money from it! So of course they will say it will be safer because they're trying to to get you to buy into that idea and hence buy their products. :)
Let me ask you this, do you always trust everything the seller tells you? I won't. :)
 

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How do you come to such conclusion? Have you done any research/study on it that you 'believe' it would catches people attention and make it safer for you and everyone, and actually not startles or confuses, and annoy/disturb people instead? Or is that just your assumption?

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Those links are posted by the people who try to make money from it! So of course they will say it will be safer because they're trying to to get you to buy into that idea and hence buy their products. :)
Let me ask you this, do you always trust everything the seller tells you? I won't. :)

Here are two links that talk about the benefits of flashing brake lights, as revealed by research:

Adaptive Brake Light (ABL) - The 3rd Eye

http://www.pulseprotects.com/pulse-intro/history

The flashing brake light is apparently also a *standard* equipment for some Mercedes models:

Adaptive Brake Light | Mercedes 500SEC.com

About the sellers wanting to promote their products: of course, they want to sell their products, and of course, they will tell that it is safer. But here's where we put on our thinking caps (not close-mindedness) come in: are they telling the truth, and if they are, how much truth have they revealed? Sometimes what they don't tell us is just as important as what they are telling us.

Of course, one may argue that these research are scientifically flawed or biased, rendering the results erroneous. But I have done some thinking -- a flashing brake light does make sense. Isn't the third brake light compulsory because it catches our attention faster? So why not a flashing one?
 
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Here are two links that talk about the benefits of flashing brake lights, as revealed by research:

Adaptive Brake Light (ABL) - The 3rd Eye

History of Flashing Third Brake Light - Safe Braking Technology

The flashing brake light is apparently also a *standard* equipment for some Mercedes models:

Adaptive Brake Light | Mercedes 500SEC.com

About the sellers wanting to promote their products: of course, they want to sell their products, and of course, they will tell that it is safer. But here's where we put on our thinking caps (not close-mindedness) come in: are they telling the truth, and if they are, how much truth have they revealed? Sometimes what they don't tell us is just as important as what they are telling us.

Of course, one may argue that these research are scientifically flawed or biased, rendering the results erroneous. But I have done some thinking -- a flashing brake light does make sense. Isn't the third brake light compulsory because it catches our attention faster? So why not a flashing one?
Well even so, note that the blinking lights used by Mercs are only applied during emergency hard braking situations >50kph, NOT every time you press the brake pedal like you wanted to. :) The third brake light catches attention because the position is higher than those in the car rear body. Catching attention enough is a good thing, but catching attention too much can be disturbing, don't you think? Imagine if during traffic jams, all the brake lights are blinking, wouldn't that impose a risk of disturbing people? Imagine also during everyday traffic if all cars blink their brake lights even at a slight touch of the pedal, would that be beneficial? I'm sure those at Mercs also already consider this aspects hence do not set them blinking every time the brake pedal is pressed.
 

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Well even so, note that the blinking lights used by Mercs are only applied during emergency hard braking situations >50kph, NOT every time you press the brake pedal like you wanted to. :) The third brake light catches attention because the position is higher than those in the car rear body. Catching attention enough is a good thing, but catching attention too much can be disturbing, don't you think? Imagine if during traffic jams, all the brake lights are blinking, wouldn't that impose a risk of disturbing people? Imagine also during everyday traffic if all cars blink their brake lights even at a slight touch of the pedal, would that be beneficial? I'm sure those at Mercs also already consider this aspects hence do not set them blinking every time the brake pedal is pressed.
But I am glad to have at least made you think a little longer on this issue and that you now realize flashing brake lights do have their benefits as well as possible problems (and ways these problems can be mitigated, as you have pointed out in the article). Isn't this kind of thinking better than out right rejection of ideas and close mindedness?

Until everyone, or at least many people, have flashing braking lights, a car today with flashing braking lights would most probably catch people's attention faster and be safer to everyone on the road.

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I forgot to mention that the link bro papagoines gave was on flashing brake lights that flashed only for a while and not all the time -- flash for 2-3 seconds, if I remember correctly.
 
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correct... so its not as annoying

But I am glad to have at least made you think a little longer on this issue and that you now realize flashing brake lights do have their benefits as well as possible problems (and ways these problems can be mitigated, as you have pointed out in the article). Isn't this kind of thinking better than out right rejection of ideas and close mindedness?

Until everyone, or at least many people, have flashing braking lights, a car today with flashing braking lights would most probably catch people's attention faster and be safer to everyone on the road.

P.S.
I forgot to mention that the link bro papagoines gave was on flashing brake lights that flashed only for a while and not all the time -- flash for 2-3 seconds, if I remember correctly.
 

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I am with cbsteh and papagoines.... I think it works....

I mean as long it is not the strobe lighting kind, which definitely can be annoying... I don't even mind the blinking/flashing type which is installed lower on the bumper. I have got rear ended a couple of times in traffic (not even a fast emergency stop). Maybe this little change would help...
 

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But I am glad to have at least made you think a little longer on this issue and that you now realize flashing brake lights do have their benefits as well as possible problems (and ways these problems can be mitigated, as you have pointed out in the article). Isn't this kind of thinking better than out right rejection of ideas and close mindedness?

Until everyone, or at least many people, have flashing braking lights, a car today with flashing braking lights would most probably catch people's attention faster and be safer to everyone on the road.

P.S.
I forgot to mention that the link bro papagoines gave was on flashing brake lights that flashed only for a while and not all the time -- flash for 2-3 seconds, if I remember correctly.
I'm ok if it's done properly using proper equipment which has been properly tested with research to back it up, like I believe Mercs would have done. The problem is many just do it because accessories shops sell those things just to mimick F1 cars or whatever! It seems simple like just make the lights blinking for a few seconds, but I'd think it's not as simple as that, like which lights should be blinking, what's the proper frequency of the blinking, how should the light intensity be when blinking, how long should it be blinking, in what conditions should it be blinking, etc.
 

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I suggest just brighten your third brake lights or add additional third brake light, so the rear car can see better, not blinking lights...
 

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I am with cbsteh and papagoines.... I think it works....

I mean as long it is not the strobe lighting kind, which definitely can be annoying... I don't even mind the blinking/flashing type which is installed lower on the bumper. I have got rear ended a couple of times in traffic (not even a fast emergency stop). Maybe this little change would help...
I know how you feel. I have been rear ended many times, at least once a year. I have found a electronics diagram on flashing brake lights on the net. It allows us to adjust the number and duration of pulse as well. I might just DIY instead of buying a finished product or asking someone to do it for me.
 

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Aiyah! all the accessories fitted here where got go thru' J**.....:mad:
they dont need to go through JPJ... they only go through JPJ to make them legal.

so if u install something illegal then u kena la if they catch u
 

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blinking f1 relay is for LED bulb only.. not filamen bulbs..

but for me.. yes.. blinking rear light really fast catch our attention than normal rear brake light.. but like danz says.. blinking for a few seconds then stop..
 

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To me, if I find cars with such non-stop blinking lights on their brake lights whenever they hit the brakes, is kinda annoying and distracting other road users. If it is like the 4th additional brake lights that many installed, which actually blinks up to 3 times then it remains as it is. That is okay.

If you are gonna install something that keeps blinking non-stop whenever your foot is on the brakes, is just not practical and is making people behind you have a difficult time in driving especially at night. How painful can your eyes be when a light keeps flashing in front of you brightly.

Is good, and it helps but install a proper one where it only blinks up to 3 times then it stops as just lighted up. That way, you feel
more secure and you are more considerate with other road users as well. A win-win situation.

A good idea, but get it done properly. If not, you are gonna make our eyes go blinking as well :stoned:

Anyway, before you go on with your idea, you may want to read some of the JPJ Rules for our cars before you consider
doing what you planned to do. Might save you a few summons.

JPJ/RTD GUIDELINES FOR PRIVATE CAR MODIFICATIONS

Let me copy out one of the section that related to your topic.

INSTALLATION OF ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED

1. Blinking lights (other than signal lights and hazard lights) at the front or rear of the car.
2. Installation of light blue, purple or green.
3. Installation of a mix of horn or with a two-tone horn.
4. Installation of spot lights at the rear of the car.
5. Installation of tinted glass or colored material on the front windscreen, rear windscreen and side windows which permit the light is less than 70%.

Note: However, the use of tinted glass or colored material at the top of the front windscreen of 20% of its width and the window glass is allowed in the quarter may be amended from time to time
 

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To me, if I find cars with such non-stop blinking lights on their brake lights whenever they hit the brakes, is kinda annoying and distracting other road users. If it is like the 4th additional brake lights that many installed, which actually blinks up to 3 times then it remains as it is. That is okay.

If you are gonna install something that keeps blinking non-stop whenever your foot is on the brakes, is just not practical and is making people behind you have a difficult time in driving especially at night. How painful can your eyes be when a light keeps flashing in front of you brightly.

Is good, and it helps but install a proper one where it only blinks up to 3 times then it stops as just lighted up. That way, you feel
more secure and you are more considerate with other road users as well. A win-win situation.

A good idea, but get it done properly. If not, you are gonna make our eyes go blinking as well :stoned:

Anyway, before you go on with your idea, you may want to read some of the JPJ Rules for our cars before you consider
doing what you planned to do. Might save you a few summons.

JPJ/RTD GUIDELINES FOR PRIVATE CAR MODIFICATIONS

Let me copy out one of the section that related to your topic.
Thanks for the JPJ guidelines.

But it is still gonna happen. I am fed up of having my car rear hit once or twice a year since 2004 (no exaggeration). However, I am mindful about non-stop blinking lights. Those DIY electronic circuits and commercial blinkers all do not blink non-stop. They blink only for a while (like for 2 seconds then the third brake light turns solid).

Some products will only blink if you step on the brakes 8 seconds or more after the last blink (good for traffic jams where you have to press the brake lights many times, so the brake lights won't keep blinking each time you press on the brakes).

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I've been hit in the rear in the following situations (all in slow speeds):
- stopping at traffic lights (normal, gradual stop)
- going downhill on a slow but moving traffic
- going slow over a partially flooded road
- traffic jam (either moving slowly or I am in complete stop)
- stopping at T-junctions (again, normal and gradual stop)

Before anyone asks, no, my brake lights were working in all those situations.
 
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cbsteh, I think is wise you try to go to the temple and pray and ask god if you are chinese. Or maybe go to some reputable fortune teller to see what has gone wrong. It could be something happened or accidentally trip on something bad.

Could be bad luck. From the way u say it. Normal gradually stop also can get rear ended. So is must be something wrong.
Or like Izso said, change number plate or car.

Sometimes things that we don't believe, is just there for us not to believe.
 

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cbsteh...since u always kena rear ended...your number plate giving u bad luck.
happened to my sis' previous car....finally sold it.....
cbsteh, I think is wise you try to go to the temple and pray and ask god if you are chinese. Or maybe go to some reputable fortune teller to see what has gone wrong. It could be something happened or accidentally trip on something bad.

Could be bad luck. From the way u say it. Normal gradually stop also can get rear ended. So is must be something wrong.
Or like Izso said, change number plate or car.

Sometimes things that we don't believe, is just there for us not to believe.
Nope, don't believe it any of those things. Besides, these accidents occur over two cars, old and new.
 

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it seems that you insist to install those blinking light anyway. then just proceed to any accessories shop and get it done. yes you will feel safer with those blinking lights, but not us that following you. it just hurt our eyes. TQ
 

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actually what car do you drive, u 3rd brake light is on top @ bottom of glass @ maybe u'r brake is too good @ wiring not good already for your car that it grip first lights later:hmmmm:
 

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actually what car do you drive, u 3rd brake light is on top @ bottom of glass @ maybe u'r brake is too good @ wiring not good already for your car that it grip first lights later:hmmmm:
That is why I suggested earlier to brighten the third brake light....:driver:

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5. Installation of tinted glass or colored material on the front windscreen, rear windscreen and side windows which permit the light is less than 70%.
I think the side and rear is now 50%, the front 70%
 

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pls do update us in a year or 2 after uve installed them blinking lights....

let us know if ur still being rear ended....im curious to know whether or not it worked...seriously i am.

or if u managed to trigger a seizure from the person (be it driver or passenger) behind u who happens to be suffering from Photosensitive epilepsy
 

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That is why I suggested earlier to brighten the third brake light....:driver:

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I think the side and rear is now 50%, the front 70%
Yup, that one i just copy the whole thing, main thing is to show that blinking lights are illegal LOL!
 

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Nope, don't believe it any of those things. Besides, these accidents occur over two cars, old and new.
maybe u should change your driving style.. esp. when u're trying to slow down your vehicle / near traffic light.. :driver:
 

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it seems that you insist to install those blinking light anyway. then just proceed to any accessories shop and get it done. yes you will feel safer with those blinking lights, but not us that following you. it just hurt our eyes. TQ
Nope, not going to accessories shop, as already mentioned. I want flashing brake lights but not just any one will do. TQ.
 

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install some custom made bull bars :rofl:
 

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:hmmmm: remembered sumthing, fren suggest spikes rather than bar & see wether anyone wants to hit u:biggrin:
Spikes, u might trip and kill yourself at home by accident. Having those bull bars is enough to keep people away from you. :smile:
 

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pls do update us in a year or 2 after uve installed them blinking lights....

let us know if ur still being rear ended....im curious to know whether or not it worked...seriously i am.

or if u managed to trigger a seizure from the person (be it driver or passenger) behind u who happens to be suffering from Photosensitive epilepsy
The problem is, he would not notice/realize if there's a person having a seizure because it's behind him. :)

Anyway, just this evening while going home and stuck in traffic jam in Tun Razak, a Civic went into my lane in front of me and guess what, it had blinking lights in the shark fin antenna! And it kept on bloody blinking all the time! It was small light but pretty bright some more and it flash directly into the head/face level! How annoying and disturbing, I just had to keep avoiding as much as I could by looking to the side. :mad: Luckily a few mins later the bugger change lane again so I can overtake him. I'd pity anyone who got stuck behind this bugger. I wish later on a cop will spot that and give him a ticket.
 

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pls do update us in a year or 2 after uve installed them blinking lights....

let us know if ur still being rear ended....im curious to know whether or not it worked...seriously i am.

or if u managed to trigger a seizure from the person (be it driver or passenger) behind u who happens to be suffering from Photosensitive epilepsy
Yes, I will let you all know the outcome, even after 2 years. I am curious myself.

Flashing causing seizure? Yes, that's possible, but that is like agreeing that using our turn signal may cause seizure.

I have decided not to go through the DIY route. I just ordered online a flashing brake light from the US. It should arrive in 1-2 weeks. It acts something like this video:

KAHTEC Third Brake "Blinking Smart Stop (Delay Version) - YouTube

Notice from the video that the flashing occurs for about 2 seconds, then turns solid. Pressing the brake again doesn't cause the flash unless it is 8 seconds or more after the last brake press.

The kit is very small (like a matchbox) and can be housed with the OEM third brake light.
 

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The problem is, he would not notice/realize if there's a person having a seizure because it's behind him. :)

Anyway, just this evening while going home and stuck in traffic jam in Tun Razak, a Civic went into my lane in front of me and guess what, it had blinking lights in the shark fin antenna! And it kept on bloody blinking all the time! It was small light but pretty bright some more and it flash directly into the head/face level! How annoying and disturbing, I just had to keep avoiding as much as I could by looking to the side. :mad: Luckily a few mins later the bugger change lane again so I can overtake him. I'd pity anyone who got stuck behind this bugger. I wish later on a cop will spot that and give him a ticket.
Bro., I can't even stand the ones fitted under the bumper. Is LED and bright, so when blink very irritating....:mad:

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Plus S&H, about RM105. Here's a link on how someone installed it:

DIY Blinking Third Brake Light
Yup, this one is okay. Third brake light blink is not that irritating as those LED ones, but this one stops after blinking for a short while...

You can fit this as 4th brake light, no need to mod 3rd brake light.....:driver:
 

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Yup, this one is okay. Third brake light blink is not that irritating as those LED ones, but this one stops after blinking for a short while...

You can fit this as 4th brake light, no need to mod 3rd brake light.....:driver:
You know me, lah, from another forum. My car must be super neat and clean. I prefer without a 4th brake light.
 

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blinking lights are illegal according to JPJ...and have a little heart for people who suffer from epilepsy. bright blinking lights can cause a fit and even for normal ppl...its damn irritating when ur stuck behind a car in a jam with those high brightness blinking lights which they put at eye level...

please do a little work and make it only blink when the brake is pressed fully or at "emergency" levels of pressure instead of always on if the motive is to warn people of emergency braking in progress...